About Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
Our goal with every Power of OR Podcast is to provide a lively, unfiltered, unedited, unfettered, and unscripted conversation with a businessperson. We will explore their daily work and see if we can uncover a powerful "Or" moment facing our guest. Our goal is to access the wisdom of God for the solutions man seeks. With hosts Brad Hawkins (SaferNet.com) & Jim Brangenberg (iWork4Him).
Featuring: John Ramstead
Organizations: Beyond Influence; Hangar X Studios (https://hangarxstudios.com/)
What do you do when the life you've worked for suddenly disappears?
In this compelling conversation, former Navy fighter pilot, entrepreneur, and speaker John Ramstead shares how God met him through unexpected disappointments, life-altering setbacks, and moments that completely changed the trajectory of his life.
Rather than allowing loss to define him, John discovered that God's plans are often revealed in the very places where our own plans fall apart. His story is a powerful reminder that every setback presents an opportunity to trust the One who sees the bigger picture.
In this episode, you'll hear:
How mentorship helped John rise to the top of Navy flight training
What it was like flying F-14 Tomcats during the Gulf War
The freak accident that ended his military aviation career just before Top Gun
Why losing his identity led him to discover his true identity in Christ
The mentor God used to lead him into a personal relationship with Jesus
How God transformed his perspective on marriage, success, and purpose
John's extraordinary encounter with Christ after a near-fatal horseback riding accident
Why learning to trust God's character changes the way we face life's greatest disappointments
How Romans 8:28 became the foundation for navigating every unexpected turn
No matter what dreams have been delayed, disrupted, or lost, this conversation is a powerful reminder that God is present in every chapter of our lives and that even our greatest disappointments can become part of His greater purpose.
21 Jul 2026
Ep 19: Discovering God's Purpose in Every Season
Featuring: Russell Jenson
Ministry: Leadership Training
What happens when you've spent decades building a successful career but then God invites you into something you never expected?
In this episode of The Power of OR Podcast, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg sit down with leadership coach and entrepreneur Russell Jenson to explore the defining decisions that shaped his journey. From the classroom to corporate leadership development, Russell shares how one unexpected opportunity led him to create a unique escape room business that revealed something fascinating: true leadership often emerges from the people you'd least expect.
After successfully building and selling that business, Russell found himself facing another defining OR moment: pursue a comfortable next chapter or remain open to whatever assignment God had prepared next.
Together, the conversation explores how leaders discern God's direction, why our greatest opportunities often begin with uncertainty, and how faithful leadership is less about having the entire plan and more about taking the next obedient step.
What You'll Hear in This Episode
How an educator became an entrepreneur through an unexpected opportunity
The leadership lessons Russell discovered by watching teams navigate escape rooms
Why the best leaders aren't always the ones with the highest titles
The OR moment that came after selling a successful business
How to discern God's leading when the next step isn't obvious
Why every season of leadership requires a willingness to let go of good things to embrace better ones
Practical wisdom for leading with purpose, influence, and faith wherever God places you
Whether you're launching something new, leading an organization, or standing at a crossroads, this episode is a reminder that leadership is built one decision at a time. The most significant OR moments rarely come with a complete roadmap, but they always offer an opportunity to trust God with what's next!
7 Jul 2026
Ep 18: When Obedience Costs More Than You Expected
Featuring: Drew Martin
Org: Mighty Motion Pictures
What do you do when following God's leading seems to leave your life in pieces?
In this episode of The Power of OR Podcast, filmmaker Drew Martin, founder of Mighty Motion Pictures, shares the remarkable journey that reshaped his faith. After decades of creating documentaries that boldly championed truth, Drew found himself facing financial collapse, betrayal, and the end of his marriage.
Rather than questioning God's faithfulness, Drew discovered a deeper invitation: to trust God's purposes even when the outcome made no sense.
What You'll Hear in This Episode
How Drew seeks God's direction in every creative endeavor
Why God's calling often requires perseverance through unexpected hardship
The spiritual realities behind media, culture, and today's most important issues
How an eternal perspective changes the way we view loss and suffering
Why our identity in Christ matters more than our circumstances
A compelling challenge for men to build a legacy that lasts beyond their careers
This conversation isn't just for filmmakers. It's for anyone who has experienced disappointment, loss, or seasons when obedience seemed far more costly than expected.
If you've ever wondered whether God was still at work in the middle of hardship – or questioned whether the sacrifice was worth it – Drew's story offers a powerful reminder that God's greatest work often happens long before we can see the results.
Sometimes the greatest act of faith isn't seeing the next step. It's continuing to walk in obedience when the path ahead is anything but clear.
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