Our goal with every Power of OR Podcast is to provide a lively, unfiltered, unedited, unfettered, and unscripted conversation with a businessperson. We will explore their daily work and see if we can uncover a powerful "Or" moment facing our guest. Our goal is to access the wisdom of God for the solutions man seeks. With hosts Brad Hawkins (SaferNet.com) & Jim Brangenberg (iWork4Him).
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Our goal with every Power of OR Podcast is to provide a lively, unfiltered, unedited, unfettered, and unscripted conversation with a businessperson. We will explore their daily work and see if we can uncover a powerful "Or" moment facing our guest. Our goal is to access the wisdom of God for the solutions man seeks. With hosts Brad Hawkins (SaferNet.com) & Jim Brangenberg (iWork4Him).
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August 4, 2026
Ep 20: When God Changes Your Flight Plan
<div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">Featuring:</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0"> John Ramstead</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">Organizations</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">:</span></span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0"> </span><a class= "Hyperlink SCXW264035279 BCX0" href= "https://www.beyondinfluence.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle="Hyperlink">Beyond Influence</span></a><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">; </span><a class= "Hyperlink SCXW264035279 BCX0" href="https://hangarxstudios.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle= "Hyperlink">Hangar X Studios</span></a><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">What do you do when the life </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">you've</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0"> worked for suddenly disappears?</span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">In this compelling conversation, former Navy fighter pilot, entrepreneur, and speaker John Ramstead shares how God met him through unexpected disappointments, life-altering setbacks, and moments that completely changed the trajectory of his life.</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">Rather than allowing loss to define him, John discovered that God's plans are often revealed in the very places where our own plans fall apart. His story is a powerful reminder that every setback presents an opportunity to trust the One who sees the bigger picture.</span><span class= "EOP SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "2"><span class="TextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 2">In this episode, </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 2">you'll</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 2"> hear:</span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"201341983":0,"335559738":299,"335559739":299,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">How mentorship helped John rise to the top of Navy flight training</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">What it was like flying F-14 Tomcats during the Gulf War</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">The freak accident that ended his military aviation career just before Top Gun</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="4" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">Why losing his identity led him to discover his </span><span class= "NormalTextRun AdvancedProofingIssueV2Themed SCXW264035279 BCX0">true identity</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0"> in Christ</span></span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="5" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">The mentor God used to lead him into a personal relationship with Jesus</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="6" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">How God transformed his perspective on marriage, success, and purpose</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="7" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">John's extraordinary encounter with Christ after a near-fatal horseback riding accident</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="8" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">Why learning to trust God's character changes the way we face life's greatest disappointments</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="15" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="9" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">How Romans 8:28 became the foundation for navigating every unexpected turn</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW264035279 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW264035279 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW264035279 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW264035279 BCX0">No matter what dreams have been delayed, disrupted, or lost, this conversation is a powerful reminder that God is present in every chapter of our lives and that even our greatest disappointments can become part of His greater purpose.</span></p> </div> </div>
July 21, 2026
Ep 19: Discovering God's Purpose in Every Season
<div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">Featuring:</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> Russell Jenson</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">Ministry:</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> Leadership Training</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">What happens when </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">you've</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> spent decades building a successful career but then God invites you into something you never expected?</span></span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">In this episode of </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">The Power of OR Podcast</span><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg sit down with leadership coach and entrepreneur Russell Jenson to explore the defining decisions that shaped his journey. From the classroom to corporate leadership development, Russell shares how one unexpected opportunity led him to create a unique escape </span><span class= "NormalTextRun ContextualSpellingAndGrammarErrorV2Themed SCXW80769515 BCX0">room</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> business that revealed something fascinating: true leadership often </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">emerges</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> from the people </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">you'd</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> least expect.</span></span><span class="EOP SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">After successfully building and selling that business, Russell found himself facing another defining OR moment: pursue a comfortable next chapter or remain open to whatever assignment God had prepared next.</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">Together, the conversation explores how leaders discern God's direction, why our greatest opportunities often begin with uncertainty, and how faithful leadership is less about having the entire plan and more about taking the next obedient step.</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" role="heading" aria-level="3" xml:lang="EN-US"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle= "heading 3">What You'll Hear in This Episode</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":281,"335559739":281,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="17" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559683":0,"335559684":-2,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">How an educator became an entrepreneur through an unexpected opportunity</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> </span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="17" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559683":0,"335559684":-2,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">The leadership lessons Russell discovered by watching teams navigate escape rooms</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> </span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="17" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559683":0,"335559684":-2,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">Why </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">the best leaders </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">aren't</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> always the ones with the highest </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">titles</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> </span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="17" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559683":0,"335559684":-2,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="4" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">The OR moment that came after selling a successful business</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> </span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="17" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559683":0,"335559684":-2,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="5" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">How to discern God's leading when the next step </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">isn't</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> obvious</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> </span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="17" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559683":0,"335559684":-2,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="6" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">Why every season of leadership requires a willingness to let go of good things to embrace better ones</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> </span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="17" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559683":0,"335559684":-2,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="7" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">Practical wisdom for leading with purpose, influence, and faith wherever God places you</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> </span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW80769515 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW80769515 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"><span class="TextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">Whether </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">you're</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> launching something new, leading an organization, or standing at a crossroads, this episode is a reminder that leadership is </span><span class= "NormalTextRun ContextualSpellingAndGrammarErrorV2Themed SCXW80769515 BCX0">built</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> one decision at a time. The most significant OR moments rarely come with a complete roadmap</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">, </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">but they always offer an opportunity to trust God with </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">what's</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0"> next</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW80769515 BCX0">!</span></span></p> </div>
July 7, 2026
Ep 18: When Obedience Costs More Than You Expected
<div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Featuring: </span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Drew Martin</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559739":200,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Org: </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Mighty Motion Pictures</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559739":200,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">What do you do when following God's leading seems to leave your life in pieces?</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">In this episode of </span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">The Power of OR Podcast</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">, filmmaker Drew Martin, founder of Mighty Motion Pictures, shares the remarkable journey that reshaped his faith. After decades of creating documentaries that boldly championed truth, Drew found himself facing financial collapse, betrayal, and the end of his marriage.</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Rather than questioning God's faithfulness, Drew discovered a deeper invitation: to trust God's purposes even when the outcome made no sense.</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="heading" aria-level= "3"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-parastyle="heading 3">What You'll Hear in This Episode</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"134245418":true,"134245529":true,"201341983":0,"335559738":281,"335559739":281,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="18" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">How Drew seeks God's direction in every creative endeavor</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="18" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Why God's calling often requires perseverance through unexpected hardship</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="18" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">The spiritual realities behind media, culture, and today's most </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">important issues</span></span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="18" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="4" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">How an eternal perspective changes the way we view loss and suffering</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="18" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="5" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Why our identity in Christ matters more than our circumstances</span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="ListContainerWrapper SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <ul class="BulletListStyle1 SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="list"> <li class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0" role="listitem" aria-setsize="-1" data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="18" data-list-defn-props= "{"335552541":1,"335559685":720,"335559991":360,"469769226":"Symbol","469769242":[8226],"469777803":"left","469777804":"","469777815":"hybridMultilevel"}" data-aria-posinset="6" data-aria-level="1"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">A compelling challenge for men to build a legacy that lasts beyond their careers</span><span class="EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">This conversation </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">isn't</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0"> just for filmmakers. </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">It's</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0"> for anyone who has experienced disappointment, loss, or seasons when obedience seemed far more costly than expected.</span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">If </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">you've</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0"> ever wondered whether God was still at work in the middle of hardship</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0"> – </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">o</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">r questioned whether the sacrifice was worth it</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0"> – </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">D</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">rew's story offers a powerful reminder that God's greatest work often happens long before we can see the results.</span></span><span class= "EOP Selected SCXW123910646 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":276}"> </span></p> </div> <div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW123910646 BCX0"> <p class="Paragraph SCXW123910646 BCX0"><span class= "TextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">Sometimes the greatest act of faith </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">isn't</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0"> seeing the next step. </span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0">It's</span><span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW123910646 BCX0"> continuing to walk in obedience when the path ahead is anything but clear.</span></span></p> </div>
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