PRIDE AND PREDATOR

About PRIDE AND PREDATOR

Podcast series; Julie Bindel investigates how the UK paedophile Stephen Ireland used Pride as a cover for his crimes. juliebindel.substack.com (https://juliebindel.substack.com/s/pride-and-predator?utm_medium=podcast)

Publisher

Julie Bindel

Category

society & culture · society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

20 Dec 2025

Latest episode

6 Jun 2026

Latest episodes

6 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   6 Jun 2026

   Pride and Predator: The Complete Investigation

   Late last year, I released Pride and Predator as a series of episodes examining the rise and fall of Stephen Ireland, (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo) the founder of Surrey Pride.Many of you said you wanted a way to hear the entire investigation in one sitting, whether for a long journey, walking the dog, or simply so you don't have to lift a finger between episodes.So I’ve brought the whole story together into a single feature-length edition.The investigation follows Ireland’s rise as a prominent LGBT campaigner, the warnings raised by those around him (https://unherd.com/2025/08/did-pride-protect-a-predator/), the failures of institutions that should have asked harder questions, and the events that ultimately led to his conviction for serious sexual offences against children.It is a story about power, safeguarding, ideology and accountability. Above all, it is a story about what can happen when people stop asking difficult questions. (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2080066/stephen-ireland-predator-policing/amp)If you’ve already listened to the original series, thank you for your support. If you’re new to Pride and Predator, this is the best place to start.REPORTER: Julie BindelPRODUCTION TEAM: Maria Esposito, Ashanna Prijs Reeves, Samantha SmithARTWORK: Nicole JonesContent warning: This investigation contains discussion of child sexual abuse, grooming, safeguarding failures, drug use and sexual exploitation. Listener discretion is advised.Running time: approximately 2 hours.Prefer to listen episode by episode? All original episodes and bonus interviews are available here.Episode One: The Rise of Stephen IrelandHow Stephen Ireland rose to prominence within Surrey Pride, built influential relationships across local institutions, and became one of the most visible LGBT campaigners in the county.Episode Two: The Warnings Nobody HeededAs concerns mounted, whistleblowers found themselves ignored, sidelined or attacked. The second episode examines the safeguarding failures, political pressures and culture that allowed warning signs to be dismissed.Episode Three: The Fall of Surrey’s Pride FounderThe final episode follows the investigation, arrests and convictions, and asks what lessons institutions need to learn from one of the most disturbing scandals to emerge from the modern Pride movement.Bonus Episode: Bev Jackson – From Gay Liberation to the Capture of PrideOne of the founders of the UK Gay Liberation Front reflects on the history of Pride, the erosion of safeguarding, and how ideology can shield abuse from scrutiny.Bonus Episode: Cllr Mandy Clare – What Happens When You Don’t Look AwayA local councillor recounts how raising safeguarding concerns about Pride events led to intimidation, arrest and a battle to hold public institutions to account.When I started looking into Stephen Ireland and Surrey Pride, I found a much bigger story about institutions, safeguarding, ideology and what happens when people stop asking awkward questions.Thank you to everyone who has listened, shared the series, got in touch, and helped spread the word. If you’re coming to Pride and Predator for the first time, I hope you find it thought-provoking. And if you’ve been with me from the beginning, thank you for sticking with it. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe (https://juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2)

2. 

   20 Dec 2025

   PRIDE AND PREDATOR EPISODE FIVE

   Cllr Mandy Clare - What Happens When You Don’t Look AwayThis is a bonus episode - an extended interview with Mandy Clare, a local councillor who did what so many others wouldn’t: she turned up, she paid attention, and she refused to pretend that safeguarding failures were none of her business.Mandy isn’t a campaigner by instinct. She’s a councillor who took her responsibilities seriously, particularly her role as a corporate parent to children in care. What she found when she began scrutinising Pride events in her area was ideological capture and a total collapse of basic boundaries around children, sex, and public decency.This conversation is difficult listening, but it’s essential.Mandy walks us through what she witnessed at Pride events in Cheshire: sexualised performances in child-accessible spaces, fetish material at child eye-level, public bodies marching alongside explicit sexual imagery, and a complete refusal by organisers, councillors, and police to intervene when concerns were raised.What follows is one of the most disturbing accounts I’ve heard in years.Mandy describes how, after gathering evidence and pressing for safeguarding improvements, she became a target. At a subsequent Pride event - which she attended openly, calmly, and in an observational capacity - she was singled out from the stage, surrounded by a hostile crowd, physically assaulted, ignored by security, and ultimately arrested.She was held in police custody for nearly a full day.The case against her collapsed because there was no evidence to support it. Yet the punishment had already been delivered: months of fear, reputational damage, financial stress, trauma, and silence enforced by legal threat.In this episode we talk about:* How Pride events became embedded with local councils, police, and public services* Why safeguarding concerns are reframed as “hate”* The weaponisation of crowds, security, and police against women who speak out* How ideology distorts policing decisions in real time* The chilling effect this has on democracy and scrutiny* Why so many people stay silent - and why Mandy didn’tThis is a story about what happens when an ideology is allowed to override law, evidence, and basic human instinct.Mandy’s experience should alarm anyone who believes in child protection, freedom of conscience, or the right of elected officials to do their job without fear of mob violence or state retaliation.If you think this couldn’t happen to you, or where you live, listen carefully.Content warning:This episode includes discussion of mob intimidation, physical assault, arrest, police custody, and safeguarding failures involving children. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe (https://juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2)

3. 

   20 Dec 2025

   PRIDE AND PREDATOR EPISODE FOUR

   Bev Jackson - From Gay Liberation to the Capture of PrideThis is a bonus episode - an extended, in-depth conversation with Bev Jackson, one of the founding members of the UK Gay Liberation Front, a co-founder of LGB Alliance, and a woman who has watched the gay rights movement from its birth to its current, deeply troubling incarnation.I wanted this conversation in the series because you cannot understand what has happened to Pride, in Surrey or anywhere else, without understanding its political roots, its moral failures, and the repeated refusal to confront abuse when it appears in progressive clothing.Bev takes us right back to the early 1970s: what Gay Liberation actually meant, how it differed from women’s liberation, and why lesbians were so often sidelined even at the moment of supposed radical change. She talks candidly about the misogyny inside early gay politics, the naïvety many of us had, and the belief - later proven disastrously wrong - that “progress” inevitably meant moral improvement.We then move into territory that many organisations still refuse to touch:the overlap between sexual libertarian ideology and the systematic erosion of child safeguarding.Bev explains how, in the 1970s and 80s, paedophile advocacy groups deliberately embedded themselves in gay rights organisations under the banner of “liberation”, and how that history has been quietly buried rather than reckoned with. She traces a direct line from those years to the present - to Pride committees, lobbying organisations, and charities that treat safeguarding as an inconvenience and whistleblowers as enemies.We talk in detail about:* How Pride shifted from a political protest to a brand-managed spectacle* The deliberate collapse of boundaries between adult sexuality and children* Why “inclusion” has come to mean silencing lesbians and gay men* Stonewall’s role in training institutions to ignore the law* The catastrophic impact of gender ideology on child safeguarding* Why lesbians who raise concerns are smeared, expelled, or punished* How figures like Stephen Ireland were shielded by ideology, not ignoranceThis episode also addresses something rarely said out loud: that the language of “kindness”, “allyship”, and “protecting kids” is now routinely used to mask risk, not reduce it.Bev does not speak as an outsider. She speaks as someone who was there at the beginning and who refuses to lie about where we have ended up.If you care about gay rights, women’s rights, or the safety of children, this conversation matters. It is not comfortable listening. It is not meant to be.Content warning:This episode contains discussion of child sexual abuse, paedophile advocacy, and safeguarding failures. Listener discretion advised.—This is a bonus episode featuring an extended interview. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe (https://juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2)

4. 

   20 Dec 2025

   PRIDE AND PREDATOR EPISODE THREE

   In this episode, I go to Guildford to see what happens after Stephen Ireland and David Sutton have been convicted of serious child sexual offences.The question is simple: once the facts are established in court, do the institutions involved stop, reflect, and account for what went wrong?What I find instead is continuity. Pride in Surrey goes ahead (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5qnp236glo.amp). Public bodies continue to lend support. Safeguarding questions are deflected. Reviews are promised but not produced. And those asking for clarity are treated as the problem (https://guildford-dragon.com/feminist-campaigner-thrown-out-of-pride-in-surrey-for-asking-about-safeguarding/).Episode Three brings together courtroom testimony, first-hand observation, and interviews with whistleblowers, journalists, councillors, and campaigners who raised concerns long before Ireland’s arrest, and who are still waiting for answers (https://www.surreyworld.co.uk/news/politics/council/council-under-pressure-to-release-findings-of-pride-in-surrey-review-5369175).You’ll hear from women who sat through the sentencing and describe both relief and anger: relief that justice was finally done, and anger that earlier warnings were not acted on. We revisit what Ireland was convicted of and examine whether those convictions prompted meaningful institutional change.This episode also documents what happened when we attended Pride in Surrey in person. We asked straightforward questions about safeguarding and governance at a publicly funded event. Within hours, we were removed (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjvdym7y8ko.amp) from the site. No reasoned allegations were made about our conduct. We were told just that our asking presence made people “uncomfortable”.Episode Three examines:* What happened in court, and why the convictions matter* Whether warnings raised before the offences were properly investigated* How councils and public figures responded after the verdicts* Claims made about safeguarding reviews - and what evidence exists* The treatment of journalists and campaigners seeking accountability* The wider question of trust, transparency, and governance within Pride organisationsThis is not an argument about sexuality or identity. It is an examination of power, accountability, and child safeguarding and what happens when institutions close ranks instead of asking hard questions.Content warning:This episode includes discussion of child sexual abuse, rape, safeguarding failures, and institutional responses to criminal convictions.—Further documents, updates, and any published reviews will be linked on my Substack as they become available. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe (https://juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2)

5. 

   20 Dec 2025

   PRIDE AND PREDATOR EPISODE TWO

   In Episode Two, we move past the surface scandal and into the machinery that failed (https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/child-abuse-case-shows-perils-of-pride-policing-2b573cz0j?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqfNRIA2-DcpJIphK-HLc4wvB9Y1TAGUel9rZ91IGWGA1ZUNB0LWqcT_wu7LY0w=&gaa_ts=6942f928&gaa_sig=U9GfLIg3QHYa4WrOfiUM7_qCACHo9Zwn_deOcYL6gDOISx1oPB7P9BTDWOTLiW570LlpxeUrCAC5FvegwwEs_A==), repeatedly, predictably, and catastrophically.This episode is about safeguarding. Or rather, the deliberate dismantling of it.By 2021, Stephen Ireland wasn’t just a Pride organiser. He was embedded (https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/09/11/how-pride-in-surrey-became-a-shield-for-a-paedophile/). He had access, credibility, the ear of police, councillors, and public bodies - and he was using all of it. At the same time, people - mainly women - around him were growing uneasy.This is the episode where you hear what happened when women tried to intervene (https://guildford-dragon.com/letter-mp-must-engage-seriously-on-safeguarding-children/) - and what happened to them when they did.We follow a trail of red flags (https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/surrey-pride-founder-jailed-for-child-rape-authorities-stay-silent/):an 18-year-old volunteer being paraded as part of a polyamorous relationship;a “helpline” for young people run from a single private phone that no one else could access;safeguarding policies quietly rewritten to remove protections;and a photograph of a masked teenager on a dog lead, posted openly by Ireland.That image was reported properly and responsibly to Surrey Police and to the local authority designated officer. Multiple whistleblowers raised concerns (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/01/stephen-ireland-surrey-pride-council-warnings/). What followed was not investigation, but retaliation.Women who spoke up were threatened, silenced, excluded, reported, or pushed out. Councillors who asked questions found themselves stripped of roles (https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-express/20250906/281719800714457). The message was unmistakable: stop digging.This episode includes first-hand accounts from:* Former Pride insiders who walked away when safeguarding was overridden* Elected councillors punished for reporting concerns* Journalists who struggled to get these stories published* Lesbian and gay voices sidelined for refusing to endorse sexualised Pride culture* A Police and Crime Commissioner targeted for refusing to abandon women’s rightsWe also examine how fetish culture (https://x.com/sizzle_sarah/status/1995158553510953195?s=20), chemsex, and adult sexual subcultures were normalised - even celebrated (https://youtube.com/shorts/AcruK_0Uul0?si=CsQ4IA9D-AkILgBd) - at events marketed as family friendly, and how anyone questioning that shift was branded hateful.And crucially, we ask: who signed off on the safeguarding review that declared everything “fine”?Who marked that homework?And why was nothing done until a child finally reported abuse?Stephen Ireland and David Sutton are now convicted sex offenders. But this episode makes clear that their crimes didn’t happen in a vacuum. They happened in an environment that rewarded silence, punished scrutiny, and treated safeguarding as an inconvenience.This is not about hindsight.It’s about systems that chose not to see.Content warning:This episode contains discussion of child sexual abuse, safeguarding failures, sexual exploitation, and institutional retaliation.—Episode 3 looks at what happened when the case finally reached court - and how Surrey responded once the truth was no longer buried.REPORTER: Julie BindelPRODUCTION TEAM: Maria Esposito, Ashanna Prijs Reeves, Samantha SmithARTWORK: Nicole Jones This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe (https://juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2)

6. 

   20 Dec 2025

   PRIDE AND PREDATOR EPISODE ONE

   It’s a late Autumn afternoon in Surrey. The drinks prices are extortionate, the sound system is punishing, and Pride is in full swing - a rainbow-washed festival of slogans, sponsors and sanctimony. On the surface, it looks like joy. Scratch that surface and something else is going on.This is Episode One of Pride and Predator - the start of an investigation into how Stephen Ireland, the founder of Surrey Pride, was celebrated, protected and platformed for years while hiding in plain sight as a sexual predator (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo.amp).This episode asks a simple, uncomfortable question:How did this happen and who helped make it possible?I take you inside the rise of Ireland: his media presence, his carefully cultivated image as Mr Inclusion, and the way Pride became a shield (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2080066/stephen-ireland-predator-policing/amp), not just for him, but for institutions that didn’t want to look too closely. Police, councils, funders and media outlets. All cheerleading, waving rainbows and missing what was right in front of them.You’ll hear how Pride in Surrey emerged with astonishing speed, how Ireland positioned himself as the voice of “the community”, and how dissent - particularly from lesbians - was shut down, smeared or expelled (https://unherd.com/2025/08/did-pride-protect-a-predator/). We revisit the early meetings, the cultish charisma, the warning signs, and the moment safeguarding quietly vanished from the agenda.This episode explores:* How modern Pride operates largely with no oversight, no rulebook, and no safeguarding standards* The transformation of Pride from protest to brand - and why that matters* How “inclusion” became conditional on silence and compliance* Why women who raised concerns were labelled bigots and pushed out* The role of police, councils and broadcasters in legitimising Ireland* How children became central to Pride messagingYou’ll hear from women who clocked something was wrong from the very beginning. You’ll hear Ireland in his own words. And you’ll hear how, time and again, obvious red flags were ignored because asking questions had become more dangerous than staying quiet.This is not about being wise in hindsight.This is about warnings that were given and deliberately dismissed.Content warning:This episode contains discussion of child sexual abuse, safeguarding failures, and institutional negligence.—Pride and Predator is a series about power, ideology and the cost of looking away.Episode 2 follows the whistleblowers — and the campaign to silence them.REPORTER: Julie BindelPRODUCTION TEAM: Maria Esposito, Ashanna Prijs Reeves, Samantha SmithARTWORK: Nicole Jones This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe (https://juliebindel.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_2)

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