There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.
Process Over Product
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There are two clay classes. One is tasked with replicating the perfect vase — a product. The other is told to create as many pots as possible — a process. The process group obviously makes more work, but surprisingly, they also make better work. The result runs counter to what we’re taught about control, perfection, and outcomes. This is the essence of Process Over Product: a podcast about what actually happens in the studio — the uncertainty, the decisions, pressure, and work underneath the work. Join artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp as we discuss process in the world of art.
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March 16, 2026
Skill vs. Talent
<p>In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp explore the long-standing question of skill versus talent in artistic practice.</p><p><br></p><p>They discuss how talent is often perceived as an innate ability, while skill is built through repetition, study, and sustained effort over time. The conversation looks at how these ideas shape expectations around artistic growth, and how an overemphasis on talent can discourage artists who are still developing their abilities.</p><p><br></p><p>Trevor and Kelsey reflect on their own experiences learning to draw and paint, and how deliberate practice, observation, and persistence have played a far greater role in their development than any notion of natural ability. Rather than framing success as something predetermined, this episode considers how skill is cultivated through time in the studio and a willingness to stay engaged with the work.</p><p><br></p><p>Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image.</p><p>Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art</p><p><br></p><p>Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry.</p><p><br></p><p>You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart</p>
March 8, 2026
Documenting and Archiving Your Studio
<p>In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp discuss the process of inventory and documentation in the studio.</p><p><br></p><p>Following the recent flood in Trevor’s studio, he shares the experience of cataloging and assessing the work, materials, and objects that make up a studio practice. What began as a necessary response to disruption becomes a broader conversation about why documenting work matters.</p><p><br></p><p>Together they explore how maintaining an inventory can support the practical side of an artist’s life—from understanding the scope of one’s work and managing a studio more clearly, to improving organization, tracking, and communication with galleries and collectors. The conversation also considers how the act of reviewing past work can shape artistic direction and reveal patterns in a body of work that may not be obvious while making it.</p><p><br></p><p>This episode looks at inventory not simply as administration, but as a reflective process that can bring clarity to both the business and creative sides of a studio practice.</p><p><br></p><p>Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image.</p><p>Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art</p><p><br></p><p>Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry.</p><p><br></p><p>You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart</p>
March 1, 2026
Workshop Do’s and Don’ts
<p>In this episode of Process Over Product, artists Trevor Wade Thomas and Kelsey Kopp discuss workshops—why artists take them, what they actually offer, and whether they are worth the investment.</p><p><br></p><p>They explore what workshops can provide beyond technical instruction: exposure to new ways of seeing, immersion in focused time, and the value of learning inside a temporary community of working artists. The conversation also addresses common questions about cost, expectations, and how to evaluate whether a workshop is right for you.</p><p><br></p><p>Trevor and Kelsey share some of their most meaningful workshop takeaways, reflecting on the lessons that stayed with them long after the event ended. Rather than treating workshops as shortcuts, this episode considers them as catalysts—experiences that can accelerate growth, clarify direction, and reconnect artists to their practice.</p><p><br></p><p>Kelsey Kopp is a landscape painter whose work is rooted in observation, repetition, and sustained engagement with place. Her practice emphasizes process as a way of understanding time, light, and perception rather than arriving at a fixed image.</p><p>Find Kelsey on instagram @kelsey_kopp_art</p><p><br></p><p>Trevor Wade Thomas is a painter and educator working primarily from observation. His practice centers on drawing, material process, and the relationship between labor, memory, and making. He is the founder of Oil and Earth Studio YouTube Channel, where he explores craft, teaching, and long-form artistic inquiry.</p><p><br></p><p>You can find Trevor online at www.trevorwadethomas.com , on YouTube at www.youtube.com/oilandearthstudio , or on Instagram @twtfineart</p>
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