Interviews with the best product and design leaders about product discovery. Actionable advice to make more products successful. jingjingtan.com <br/><br/><a href="https://www.jingjingtan.com?utm_medium=podcast">www.jingjingtan.com</a>

Product Discovery Show
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Interviews with the best product and design leaders about product discovery. Actionable advice to make more products successful. jingjingtan.com <br/><br/><a href="https://www.jingjingtan.com?utm_medium=podcast">www.jingjingtan.com</a>
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March 17, 2025
ep4: Launching startups to product-market fit w/ Ian O'Donnell (Director of Design & Validation @Menlo Labs)
<p><strong>Listen now on </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep4-launching-startups-to-product-market-fit-w-ian/id1784291890?i=1000699568773"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1cIUTebcabfbS4xCZ2cpAu?si=8ue6GWFyS9ugVixDidugtg"><strong>Spotify</strong></a><strong> and </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/B1pXT1cLUTU"><strong>Youtube</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>Every startup wants to get to the elusive product-market fit. </p><p>But unlike PMs at established companies, startup founders often have an extra layer of ambiguity to navigate — <strong>zeroing in on the target customer.</strong> </p><p>In this episode, Ian O’Donnell (Director of Design & Validation at Menlo Labs) shares his practical process to help startup founders get to product-market fit. He shares how he conducts product discovery calls and quantitative ad testing alongside founders to hone in on the target industry, user and buyer. </p><p>All of Ian’s advice is grounded in first-hand startup stories, in which he’s helped to shape their trajectory.</p><p><strong>Chapters:</strong></p><p><strong>00:00</strong>Introduction to Product Discovery and Ian O'Donnell</p><p><strong>01:56</strong>Ian's Journey into Design and Innovation</p><p><strong>09:02</strong>The Role of Qualitative and Quantitative Research</p><p><strong>10:41</strong>Case Study: Squint's Journey in Manufacturing</p><p><strong>24:02</strong>Deep Dive into Manufacturing Needs and Insights</p><p><strong>34:31</strong>Adoption Challenges and the Role of AI</p><p><strong>36:49</strong>Squint's Journey to Success</p><p><strong>37:55</strong>The Menlo Labs Experience</p><p><strong>43:56</strong>Challenges in Manager Training</p><p><strong>47:10</strong>Exploring New Directions</p><p><strong>55:06</strong>Navigating Customer Discovery</p><p><strong>01:01:56</strong>Advice for Founders</p><p></p><p><strong>Where to find Ian:</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://menlovc.com/menlo-labs/">Menlo Labs</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://menlovc.com/menlo-fellowship/">Menlo Labs’ Fellows Program</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianodonn/">Ian’s LinkedIn</a></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.jingjingtan.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">www.jingjingtan.com</a>

January 24, 2025
Ep3: Making dying more fun in product development w/ Aakash Gupta (founder @product-growth.com)
<p><strong>Listen now on </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep3-making-dying-more-fun-in-product-development-w/id1784291890?i=1000685327344"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/3kraQpOftAS5yoann5riKp?si=b3bffe76eaeb47f7"><strong>Spotify</strong></a><strong>, and </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/n-T9O4snu8M"><strong>YouTube</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p></p><p>What can product management learn from video games?</p><p><strong>How to make dying more fun.</strong></p><p>In this episode, we talk to a household name in tech that you might already know — Aakash Gupta, founder of <a target="_blank" href="http://product-growth.com">product-growth.com</a>.</p><p>Aakash has done it all: from founding his own companies, to working in game development, to becoming VP of product at a unicorn. He shares several case studies on how to do low-lift product discovery both as a founder and as an established PM. </p><p>Because he knows what PMs are going through, Aakash has pragmatic advice on how to talk to customers as an overburdened, burnt out PM. :) </p><p>We also talk about how we can apply video game psychology (e.g. dying gameplay) to everyday product development. Take a listen! </p><p>Chapters</p><p>00:00 Introduction to Product Discovery and Akash Gupta</p><p>01:36 Akash's Journey into Product Management</p><p>05:03 Defining Moments in Akash's Product Leadership</p><p>09:09 User-Centric Product Discovery at Rap to Beats</p><p>18:23 Impactful Features and Gamification in Product Development</p><p>31:43 Insights from Epic Games and the Psychology of Gaming</p><p>40:50 Enhancing Player Experience through AI and Matchmaking</p><p>43:52 The Psychology of Failure and Game Design</p><p>47:29 The Importance of Playtesting in Game Development</p><p>51:04 Navigating User Research in Large Organizations</p><p>54:13 Leveraging Data for Product Discovery</p><p>58:21 Building Effective Customer Feedback Loops</p><p>01:01:43 The Role of Research in Product Management</p><p>01:05:01 Democratizing User Research for Product Managers</p><p>01:09:18 Balancing Analytics and Customer Conversations</p><p>01:13:49 Creating a Continuous Feedback Loop with Customers</p><p></p><p><strong>Where to find Aakash:</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aagupta/">LinkedIn</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.news.aakashg.com/">Aakash’s newsletter at Product-growth.com </a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.news.aakashg.com/s/product-growth-podcast">Aakash’s podcast</a></p><p>* Book: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Guide-Getting-Job-Management/dp/B0C91FFJ4Z">The Ultimate Guide to Getting a PM Job</a></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.jingjingtan.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">www.jingjingtan.com</a>

January 1, 2025
Ep2: How a $20M ARR product was built (then failed) with Stacey Feero, Director of Product @AgencyAnalytics
<p><strong>Listen now on </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/ep2-how-a-%2420m-arr-product-was-built-then-failed/id1784291890?i=1000682336214"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0PtiUlb4R8hntD5xqUOeP0?si=bf999a9a7c9e4c6c"><strong>Spotify</strong></a><strong>, and </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/f1C2D5qbv30"><strong>YouTube</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>Sometimes you can play all your cards right, and the product will still fail. </p><p>We kick off 2025 with a New Years episode of the Product Discovery Show. In this episode, Stacey Feero, Director of Product at AgencyAnalytics, talks about a 0-to-1 product she built for Canada’s largest retailer.</p><p>Stacey walks through how she identified the cause behind the product not taking off (spoiler alert: user insights), how she iterated on it, how it got to $20M ARR, and how it still got shut down. She shares valuable lessons throughout that journey on managing stakeholder expectations and matching the product to user mental models. </p><p>Chapters:</p><p><strong>00:00 </strong>Introduction to Product Leadership</p><p><strong>06:05 </strong>Transitioning into Product Management</p><p><strong>13:03 </strong>Challenges in User Experience and Market Fit</p><p><strong>19:59 </strong>Adapting to User Needs and Market Changes</p><p><strong>25:48 </strong>Strategic Marketing and Product Positioning</p><p><strong>31:39 </strong>Navigating Product Development Timelines</p><p><strong>36:53 </strong>The Importance of Timing in Product Success</p><p><strong>44:25 </strong>Transforming User Mindsets for Product Success</p><p><strong>50:00 </strong>Lessons from Product Launch Failures</p><p><strong>56:46 </strong>The Role of Curiosity in Product Management</p><p></p><p>Where to find Stacey:</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceyfeero/">LinkedIn</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nofearproductleadership.com/">No Fear Product Leadership - Coaching</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://nofearproductleadership.substack.com/">Stacey’s Substack newsletter</a></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.jingjingtan.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">www.jingjingtan.com</a>
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