Jordan Hale is a Therapist (LMFT) who interviews artists and healing arts practitioners about working with the subconscious to enhance creativity and self-awareness. Each episode, she explores themes related Jungian dreamwork, tarot, nature-based spirituality, and many other wisdom traditions in a casual, playful context. If you're interested in learning about shadow work healing practices and accessing deeper levels of your creativity more easily and consistently, you've come to the right place!
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The Magic of Cinema with Young Summer (Musician, writer, director)
Host explores transcendental meditation and cinematic influences with musician, writer, and director Bobbie Allen of Young Summer, delving into horror films and creative processes.
15 Jul 2026
Psychotherapy + Intuitive Readings with Heather Cooper Sellers, LMHC
On this episode, I had the privilege of sitting down with Heather Cooper Sellers, a Psychotherapist, writer, and intuitive reader. We discussed her values around maintaining congruency between her Therapist self and her authentic self as a key contributing factor to the longevity of her career in the healing arts. This has also been a catalyst for expanding her work into offering anonymous intuitive readings via her advice column on WhatsApp. We also shared mutual yet distinct experiences of a deepening sense of connection to intuition and creativity during the transition to motherhood. And, of course, we dove into the dream realm, unpacking a Jungian take on those pesky overflowing toilet dreams that so many of us know all too well.
Follow Heather’s work and various projects here (https://heathercoopersellers.com/) and here (https://chat.whatsapp.com/GMlthD6IIBFIWAAxLziHvs?mode=gi_t)!
Find Jordan’s Intro to Jungian Experiential Dreamwork course here (https://abundanthopetherapy.com/selfpaced-ce-trainings/p/athomedreamwork)!
Sign up for Jordan’s next Jungian Active Imagination Workshop (to find creative inspiration via the subconscious) here (https://www.jordanhale.net/workshops/p/n898s23a7gaay8ljx1i530f0ddszwo)!
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1 Dec 2025
Creating While Mothering with Christina Cone (Musical Artist, Creative Agency Founder/Owner)
On this episode, I had the privilege of sitting down with my dear friend Christina Cone in her home here in East Nashville. I knew she would be the perfect person to talk with about how to maintain one’s creative and artistic identity while simultaneously diving headfirst into motherhood. Christina fronts the band Frances Cone along with her husband, Andy. She also founded Phases, a boutique creative agency for independent artists, earlier this year. She and I spoke about the terror and magic of motherhood, the necessary price we pay to live in community, the journey of healing from religious trauma, dismantling the legacy burden of codependency, and strategies for keeping the creative flame burning all the while.
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The Magic of Cinema with Young Summer (Musician, writer, director)
Published 7 Oct 2026 · Transcript excerpt
[…] There's an element of dropping down into the kind of creative field. Yeah. Like the kind of unconscious field. He had the metaphor that he used a lot that was likening the subconscious creative field to like an ocean. Yeah. And you're going fishing so that you can catch an idea. Yeah, that was his book, Catching the Big Fish. So I'm so curious, as you've learned transcendental meditation and as you've adopted some of these processes that were so important to him creatively, how has this impacted your creative work and your work as an artist? I think the world is more magical than we were led to believe. […]
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