Queerfully Made tackles faith, gender, sexuality, and the intersection of them all. Ex-evangelical leaders Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson, once church insiders, host raw stories from LGBTQ+ Christians, ex-Christians, pastors, ex-pastors and sharp experts.
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Timothy Schraeder Rodriguez spent eight years in conversion therapy with Exodus International while doing social media and marketing for some of the biggest churches in the world, including Willow Creek, the Global Leadership Summit and Hillsong.We talk Hillsong's chair trick (and Bobbie's comment), the job offer that came with a celibacy condition, the Mark Driscoll arena that broke him, his first gay Christian conference, taking communion after ten years, worship music as reclamation, sobriety, the Lost Boys, and his message to pastors still sending young people to conversion practices.Timothy's book Conversion Therapy Dropout is out now: www.conversiontherapydropoutbook.comMentioned: our episode with Professor Timothy Jones on Australia's research into conversion practices.Queerfully Made is the podcast exploring the intersection of faith, sexuality and gender, hosted by Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson in Naarm/Melbourne.Follow Timothy: @timothy.s.rodriguez)If this episode brings things up, QLife (1800 184 527) offers free LGBTIQ+ peer support across Australia.Chapters00:00 Cold open00:32 Acknowledgement of Country01:15 Welcome Timothy02:53 Hillsong's chairs and Bobbie's comment08:42 Working at Hillsong while out11:31 The job offer with a celibacy condition15:13 Eight years in conversion therapy19:57 The last Exodus conference and burnout22:11 Mark Driscoll and a breakdown23:39 His first gay Christian conference27:39 Communion after ten years29:41 Religious trauma and worship music35:28 Finding a church that fits37:36 Shame, sobriety and God on the dance floor40:23 Too gay for the church, too Christian for the gays43:59 Why he wrote the book48:02 Back at Hillsong49:38 Ministry looks different now53:38 To the kid still in church54:57 To the pastor57:46 Where to find the book
6 Oct 2026
From a Cardinal Pell Altar Boy to a RuPaul Drag Queen | Karen from Finance | Queerfully Made S2 Ep19
From altar boy to Drag Race, Karen From Finance has been questioning structure his whole life.
Richard Chadwick grew up Catholic, served as an altar boy alongside Cardinal George Pell, and lost his mum to breast cancer at 14. When his school wouldn't let him ask why, he started questioning everything, and that road led him straight into drag.
Melbourne's premier corporate queen joins Aaron and Ben for a conversation that's equal parts tender and unhinged.
What we get into:
→ How being queer taught him to question structure (and why that led to drag)
→ Serving mass with Cardinal Pell, and how it felt when the news came out
→ Grief, God's plan and a Catholic school that stopped taking his questions
→ How Karen From Finance was born from an op shop prom dress
→ Why drag doesn't hide who you are, it reveals it
→ Calling out a transphobic auntie on Facebook
→ Nana, a pack of cigarettes and a certificate from Pride class
→ Internalised homophobia 20 years after coming out
→ His faith now: respect, admiration and why it's not for him
→ Mortein flamethrowers, Body Electric and Microsoft 365
You can't be what you can't see.
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29 Sept 2026
The Bisexual Pastor who Came Out Later in Life | Ps. David Landis-Morse | Queerfully Made S2 Ep18
Pastor David Landis Morse has been a Brethren kid in Tasmania, worked at Koorong, and become a Uniting Church pastor. He came out as a bisexual man later in life, and this conversation is warm, funny and honest.
Aaron and Ben talk with David about growing up in a high-certainty church, coming out to his family, what bi privilege looks like, and who fought for the ground he stands on. We also get into inclusion training for church leaders, what it might look like if the church led with fullness of life instead of being dragged along, a smaller church with a freer voice, and why David thinks conversion never stops.
David is a pastor in the Uniting Church in Melbourne with a masters in theology focused on queer theology and hospitality.
"What sort of energy is released into our world when people stop having to lie?" David Landis Morse
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