Reading the Water Podcast

About Reading the Water Podcast

Interviews and conversations with writers, artists, conservationists, and adventurers in fly fishing. Presented by Hatch Magazine. (https://hatchmag.com) readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast)

Publisher

Tim Schulz

Category

arts · sports

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

14 Apr 2024

Latest episode

5 Mar 2025

Latest episodes

13 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   5 Mar 2025

   Ep. 12: What's the Point of Being a Good Caster? (w/ School of Trout)

   In this episode, we talk with Todd Tanner, Brant Oswald, Pat McCabe, and Chris Elbow about improving our fly fishing in general and Todd’s School of Trout in particular. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://www.hatchmag.com)) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:05:30) School of Trout mission and the meaning of success (0:09:05) Chris’s journey from beginner to enthusiast (0:14:40) Teaching all skill levels (0:24:40) Learning to cast (0:35:25) Tim’s “mind-blowing” casting revelation (0:46:00) Overcoming intimidation and sticking with it (1:17:50) Final thoughts Learn more about the guests School of Trout (https://www.schooloftrout.com/) Todd Tanner (https://midcurrent.com/contributors/todd-tanner) Brant Oswald (https://brantoswaldflyfishing.com/) Pat McCabe (https://www.schooloftrout.com/presenters) Chris Elbow (https://www.summitdaily.com/news/breckenridge-chocolatier-main-street) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

2. 

   9 Feb 2025

   Ep. 11: The Allusion of Detail (w/ Bob White)

   In this episode, Bob White talks about his life as a guide, artist, writer, and destination travel host. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com/)) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:00:20) The Copper Bob (0:07:20) Muskie vs Musky (0:10:00) Belleville, Illinois to Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota (0:13:00) Bob’s start as a guide (0:18:20) Challenges as a guide (00:29:30) Bob’s career as an artist (00:35:20) The allusion of detail (00:40:30) The role of storytelling in art (00:43:10) John Gierach (00:48:30) Fly sketches (00:52:20) The Classic Sporting Art of Bob White (00:55:30) Hosted trips (01:03:10) Advice for aspiring artists, guides, and hosts Learn more about Bob White https://www.bobwhitestudio.com (https://www.bobwhitestudio.com) The Classic Sporting Art of Bob White (https://www.bobwhitestudio.com/product-category/other-cool-stuff/fly-fishing-wingshooting-books/the-classic-sporting-art-of-bob-white/) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

3. 

   17 Oct 2024

   Ep. 10: If I'm Having Fun, Maybe the Reader's Having Fun (w/ Dave Karczynski)

   In this episode, we talk with Dave Karczynski about his new book, Calling After Water, and his life as a writer, angler, and university professor. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com/)) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:05:00) The role of humor in writing (0:12:40) Musky vs muskie (0:15:40) The allure of musky fishing (0:22:30) What makes a good fishing partner? (0:27:20) What makes a good fishing destination? (0:30:30) Dave's evolution as a writer (0:39:10) What does it mean to write one true sentence? (0:43:10) Rhythm and voice in writing (0:47:30) Dave's evolution as an angler (From Lure to Fly) (0:59:20) Smallmouth: Modern Fly-Fishing Methods, Tactics, and Techniques (1:04:10) Rules for writing (1:08:15) Calling After Water (1:13:30) Book reading Learn more about Dave Karczynski https://davekarczynski.com (https://davekarczynski.com) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

4. 

   4 Sept 2024

   Ep. 9: Perhaps It Has Something to Do with Books (w/ Bob DeMott)

   In this episode, we talk with Bob DeMott about his life as an English professor and a fly angler and the intersection between the two: Anglish. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com/).) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:02:20) Anglish (0:08:00) Astream: American Writers on Fly Fishing (0:09:20) Michael Keaton — Fly-fishing writer (0:12:20) The allure of fly-fishing writing (0:20:00) What makes an excellent fly-fishing story? (0:24:00) Faculty for a Department of Anglish (0:27:00) Bob’s start in fishing (0:42:30) Bob’s start in writing (0:53:10) Bob’s brothers of different mothers: Nick Lyons and Jim Harrison (1:05:00) The famous thing Thoreau didn’t say (1:15:50) Bob’s reading: Perhaps it has something to do with books Learn more about Bob DeMott Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_DeMott) Books (https://www.amazon.com/stores/Robert-J.-DeMott/author/B001H6Q7Q2) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

5. 

   9 Aug 2024

   Ep. 8: Things Are About to Get Even Better (w/ Steve Duda)

   In this episode, author, editor, and producer Steve Duda talks about his recent book, River Songs, his time as editor of The FlyFish Journal, his current position with Patagonia, the past, present, and future of fly-fishing literature, his dos and don’ts for writing, and he treats us with a reading from River Songs. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com/).) The song “Pressure Drop” performed by The Horse Puppets (https://www.thehorsepuppets.com/). (0:00:00) Introduction (0:04:00) River Songs (0:15:30) The FlyFish Journal (0:18:00) Favorite writers from Steve’s editing days (0:22:00) Patagonia (0:31:50) Past, present, and future of fly-fishing literature (0:38:25) Have readers changed? (0:40:00) Steve’s rules for writing (0:48:30) Writers on the Fly (0:52:30) Steve’s life in music (0:58:50) Influences (1:06:30) Reading: “Pressure Drop” Learn more about Steve Duda Biography (https://www.mountaineers.org/members/steve-duda) River Songs: Mountaineers (https://www.mountaineers.org/books/books/river-songs-moments-of-wild-wonder-in-fly-fishing) | Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/River-Songs-Moments-Wonder-Fishing/dp/1680517015) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

6. 

   1 Jul 2024

   Ep. 7: I Never Put a Bomb in a Trout Stream (w/ Nick Lyons)

   In this episode, the incomparable Nick Lyons talks about his life as an angler, writer, editor, and publisher, and we cover topics ranging from the stages of fly angling to how writers find “gold” in a fishing story. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com/).) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:03:15) Nick’s favorite fly rods (0:04:15) Nick’s favorite waters (0:05:45) Nick’s Academy Awards for angling (0:09:10) The stages of fly angling (0:16:10) Nick’s writing voice (0:22:50) Mt. Rushmore for fly-fishing writers (0:31:00) Technique books (0:37:45) Why so much good writing about fly fishing? (0:43:00) Finding the “gold” in a fishing story (0:49:20) Spring Creek (0:55:30) Learning to love fishing Learn more about Nick Lyons Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Lyons) Books (https://www.amazon.com/stores/Nick-Lyons/author/B001HOUWG0) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

7. 

   21 Jun 2024

   Ep. 6: You're Only One Cast Away From Greatness (w/ Monte Burke)

   In this episode, we talk with Monte Burke about his path to becoming a writer, his past, present, and future projects, the outlook for tarpon, and the role of obsession in fishing and sports. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com).) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:02:20) Why so much writing about fishing? (0:05:50) Bad Hemingway (0:10:00) Monte's path to writing (0:18:00) Lords of the Fly (0:26:30) The outlook for tarpon (0:43:20) Nick Saban (0:52:40) On writing and publishing (0:56:10) Mt. Rushmore for fishing writing (1:01:40) New projects (1:05:40) George H. W. Bush Learn more about Monte Burke https://monteburke.com/ Lords of the Fly (https://www.amazon.com/Lords-Fly-Madness-Obsession-Record/dp/1643135589/) Saban (https://www.amazon.com/Saban-Making-Coach-Monte-Burke/dp/1476789932/) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

8. 

   5 Jun 2024

   Ep. 5: Five Pounds of Sour Patch Kids (w/Michael Garrigan)

   In this episode, we talk with writer, poet, teacher, and fly angler Michael Garrigan about his introduction to fishing, his development as an angler and writer, his time as the resident artist in the Bob Marshall Wilderness, and we'll even talk about his favorite road candy. As a special treat, Michael will read his terrific poem, 'Liturgy of Carp Becoming a God.' (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://www.hatchmag.com/?utm_source=readingthewater&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=episode-5). ) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:02:00) Introduction to fishing (0:04:30) Introduction to fly fishing (The River Why) (0:07:00) Education as a writer (0:08:25) Beginnings as a poet (0:09:40) Beginnings as a teacher (0:22:20) Poetry reading: Liturgy of Carp Becoming a God (0:29:20) Why so much great writing about fly fishing? (0:33:20) Musical inspirations (0:37:10) Artist in residence at Bob Marshall Wilderness (0:56:00) Future projects, favorite candy, road food, flies, and fish Learn more about Michael Garrigan: https://www.mgarrigan.com (https://www.mgarrigan.com) Five Pounds of Sour Patch Kids in the Montana Wilderness (https://www.flyfisherman.com/editorial/sour-patch-kids-montana-wilderness/481764) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

9. 

   7 May 2024

   Ep. 4: Do What the River Tells You to Do (w/ Craig Mathews)

   In this episode, we talk with writer, conservationist, and world-class angler Craig Mathews about his journey from Michigan to Montana, his early career as West Yellowstone's sheriff, the beginning of Blue Ribbon Flies, and the founding of One Percent for the Planet. (Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://www.hatchmag.com/?utm_source=readingthewater&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=episode-4).) (0:00:00) Introduction (0:01:45) Craig's start in Michigan (0:03:36) The move to Montana (0:05:39) Chief of police (0:10:40) Blue Ribbon Flies (0:15:50) John Voelker (0:17:20) Tying flies (0:21:50) Biggest mistake most anglers make (0:30:20) Sparkle duns and X-caddis (0:31:30) New book on pheasant-tail flies (0:32:30) Start in conservation (0:36:40) 1% for the planet (0:43:50) Craig's books (0:49:20) Starting a fly shop today? (0:53:50) Favorites: hatch, fly pattern to tie, river to fish, rod material, vest Learn more about Craig Mathews https://www.craigmathewsyellowstone.com (https://www.craigmathewsyellowstone.com) Craig’s Books (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqazNjSk1vTnA5QXU3aFpIOGstWVFZTTZkVzhsQXxBQ3Jtc0ttNXducHIxMzQ5VkxrMUF1WG5hb01aSG1LQlBnTm02cEFjYTRkdXZDYXZMVUdoU2hlS28tM0dxN3VTY2psSTdZQzUtZi1LY3JkMnpTaGVuVlAzdFREODFRRmxNMWRJLTlDaUYwODgzOU5FQ09KRnhFTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fstores%2FCraig-Mathews%2Fauthor%2FB001K7YNBE&v=ZKgfoh6Gars) One Percent for the Planet (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa2NRYVVrOWJISEt0TThMOENYbEFLNXk1c2xvUXxBQ3Jtc0trUDJiV0hab2hPdDFrMjEtd0ZxWUJYLVhvSzZDUkZMRGJBR1FxRlFLMkFGNjhqckVGeVRiOG84dG14anlVNkttYUJkMUVfbjBRbnZNVlpaUHRjeXFvVnpBSmszYlZMVkJnU2FUQ1ROaW5jMnVZZFpKMA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onepercentfortheplanet.org%2F&v=ZKgfoh6Gars) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

10. 

    29 Apr 2024

    Ep. 3: Mom Has a Meth Lab in the Basement (w/ Ann Miller)

    Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com) In this episode, we talk with aquatic biologist and writer Ann Miller about her introduction to fly angling, her education in biology, and all the work and creativity that went into writing her authoritative guides to Midwest hatches. (0:00:00) Introduction (0:01:25) Growing up in Michigan (0:05:20) Hex! (0:07:00) Transition to fly-fishing (0:09:50) Biology education at the University of Michigan (0:13:30) Flygirls of Michigan (0:19:50) Hatch Guide for Upper Midwest Streams (0:24:40) Building streams in the basement and garage (0:29:30) Pocketguide to Upper Midwest Hatches (0:32:20) Fly tyers (0:37:30) Urban legends? (0:42:30) How to predict a brown drake spinner fall (0:52:10) What size flies are the toughest to match? (0:56:10) Comparing Midwest flies to the Eastern and the Western (1:01:30) Environmental issues (1:10:00) Favorite fly, music, Gates Lodge Learn more about Ann Miller https://www.midwesthatches.com/ (https://www.midwesthatches.com/) Pocketguide to Upper Midwest Hatches (https://www.amazon.com/Pocketguide-Upper-Midwest-Hatches-Miller/dp/0811772322/) Hatch Guide for Upper Midwest Streams (https://www.amazon.com/Hatch-Guide-Upper-Midwest-Streams/dp/1571884815/) Flygirls of Michigan (https://flygirls.ws/) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

11. 

    22 Apr 2024

    Ep. 2: Don’t Let Your Fishing Interfere With Your Fishing (w/ Chris Dombrowski)

    In this episode, we talk with author, poet, teacher, and Montana river guide Chris Dombrowski about his migration from Michigan to Montana, his development as a writer, guide, and educator, his recent books The River You Touch and Body of Water, a streamside meal blunder with Jim Harrison, and we even debate whether A River Runs Through It is Norman Maclean’s best story. Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://www.hatchmag.com). (0:00:00) Introduction (0:05:45) Learning the ropes at Gates Lodge (0:15:15) Old guides (0:19:30) Don't let your fishing interfere with your fishing (0:31:05) Glenn Brackett, Winston, Sweetgrass (0:37:15) Chris's calling as a writer and guide (0:43:24) Some influences: Harrison, Doyle, Delp (0:48:25) Music and Jeffrey Foucault (0:55:15) Similarities and differences in teaching writing and guiding (1:00:14) Do we all have a book in us? (1:05:05) The River You Touch (1:11:00) Body of Water (1:18:00) Is A River Runs Through It Maclean's best? (1:22:15) Chris’s latest projects (1:24:05) Favorite books, best angler, favorite stream-side lunch, favorite river float (1:30:25) Michigan vs Montana Learn more about Chris Dombrowski https://www.cdombrowski.com (https://www.cdombrowski.com) The River You Touch (https://www.cdombrowski.com/the-river-you-touch) Body of Water (https://www.amazon.com/Body-Water-Seeker-Worlds-Elusive/dp/1571313648) Episode Topics Gates Lodge (https://gateslodge.com) Glenn Brackett (https://www.sweetgrassrods.com) Jeffrey Foucault (https://jeffreyfoucault.com) Hitching Post (https://www.facebook.com/TheHitchinPostMT/) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

12. 

    14 Apr 2024

    Ep. 1: Trotlines Running Through My Mind (w/ Hal Herring)

    In this episode, we talk with award-winning journalist, author, and conservationist Hal Herring about the importance of public lands, the flow of Montana's rivers, Hal's journey as a writer, and even the subtle art of trotlines and limblines. Presented by Hatch Magazine (https://www.hatchmag.com/?utm_source=readingthewater&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=episode-1). (0:00:00) Introduction (0:01:11) Trotlines! (0:07:03) Early influences in conservation (0:10:22) Early years in Montana (0:16:40) How writers help conservation (0:25:51) Homicide over public land access (0:31:45) Ruby River access case (0:41:40) Thoughts about native trout (0:52:37) Minimum stream flows in Montana (1:08:40) What can we root for? (1:16:30) New book project (1:19:23) Hunt or fish? Favorite game dish? Most famous firearm from the Old West? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

13. 

    14 Apr 2024

    Reading the Water Podcast - Trailer

    This is an introduction to the Reading the Water Podcast, presented by Hatch Magazine (https://hatchmag.com). The podcast features interviews and conversations with writers, artists, conservationists, and adventurers in fly fishing with your host, Tim Schulz. (0:00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=0s)) Introduction (0:00:24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=24s)) Hal Herring (0:00:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=40s)) Chris Dombrowski (0:00:57 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=57s)) Ann Miller (0:01:08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=68s)) Monte Burke (0:01:28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=88s)) Michael Garrigan (0:01:42 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=102s)) Craig Mathews (0:02:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=120s)) Bob DeMott (0:02:14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bykFxd3eMX4&t=134s)) Nick Lyons This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readingthewater.substack.com (https://readingthewater.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

Reach and audience

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YouTube views

1,753

Score snapshot 15 Sept 2025

Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

15 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

1 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 45 / 100

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34

Social presence

0

YouTube

68

Engagement

71