Reboot Business is an exploration of the urgent transformation businesses must undergo to address the ecological crisis and the broader societal shift in mindset.
What are the key challenges? What strategies can drive change? What obstacles stand in the way, and what levers can help overcome them? And most importantly, which businesses are leading the way?
Join us as we investigate the future of business in a world that demands regeneration.
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Reboot Business est une enquête sur la nécessaire transformation des entreprises pour répondre à l’urgence écologique et au changement de paradigme sociétal.
Quels sont les défis ? Quelles sont les stratégies ? Quels sont les freins et les leviers de changements ? Quels sont les exemples à suivre ?
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Nora Bateson: Living Systems, Warm Data & the Ecology of Communication
In this episode, Julien Devaureix speaks with Nora Bateson, filmmaker, writer, and president of theInternational Bateson Institute (https://batesoninstitute.org/). Together they explore how to navigate today’s complex world through systems thinking, relational approaches, and Nora’s concept of warm data. Drawing from her book Combining, Nora shares why solutions can’t be isolated, how identity and intergenerational living shape our future, and why cultivating an ecology of communication is key to creating authentic hope and thriving life.
Episode timestamps
00:00: Introduction & Nora’s background; her work on perceiving interdependencies in living systems.
00:04: Nora’s “meadow” metaphor for complexity and the relational conditions shaping life .
00:16: The problem with reductionism, education, and focusing on isolated “problems” .
00:34: Reading from Combining; the meaning of “combining” vs. “combined” — life as ongoing movement .
00:43: Redefining “problems” and “solutions”; towards an “ecology of communication” .
00:54: On double binds, transcontextual issues, and why her “goal” is to create possibility and vitality .
01:00: The importance of “warm data” and the loss of intergenerational living practices .
01:06: On false hope vs. real hope; unexpected cultural change (example: Cardi B’s WAP) .
01:10: Culture, art, and the need for more “weirdness” and creativity in change-making .
01:15: Closing poem Mama Now — a reflection on parenting, integrity, and uncertainty
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28 May 2025
Steffen Müller - Sustainability by Design: Rethinking Tech and AI for Impact
Julien interviews Steffen Müller, head of Salesforce's Sustainability & Transformation Advisory, who examines how businesses integrate technology, data, and AI with ecological goals, highlighting sustainability as a core business strategy.
7 May 2025
Alexandra Palt: From Corporate Sustainability Officer to WWF President - Navigating the Limits of Change
In this episode, Julien speaks with Alexandra Palt, recently appointed President of WWF France. Alexandra shares her unique journey from human rights lawyer to Chief Sustainability Officer at L'Oreal, where she drove ambitious transformation, to leading France's largest environmental NGO. The conversation explores the challenges of driving sustainability from within large corporations, the structural hurdles faced when profit and sustainability collide, insights from her experience navigating the "sustainability hype" and backlash, and her research on ethical leadership and the virtues necessary for leaders today. Alexandra also discusses the role of NGOs like WWF, the importance of local action and cooperation, and identifies the awareness of sustainable value chains as an underrated solution for businesses. This episode offers a profound look at navigating complex environmental and social challenges and redefining impact.
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