by Rogue L+D - Tom Bailey
A short podcast allowing you to meet some of the brilliant folk driving people performance and development forward. We do this in an informal and human way. Our host Tom Bailey, award winning L&D leader and passionate maverick for all things development. Join us as we ask just ten questions of some of the industries most innovative and interesting people.
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June 17, 2026
<p>While much of the L&D world is focused on AI, Andrew Lawson has doubled down on neuroscience and the results speak for themselves.</p><p><br></p><p>What makes learning truly stick?</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode of Rogue L&D, Tom Bailey sits down with 2026 AITD Learning and Development Professional of the Year, Andrew Lawson, to explore the neuroscience behind effective workplace learning.</p><p><br></p><p>Andrew shares his journey from struggling through school as a neurodiverse learner to becoming one of Australia's most respected L&D practitioners. He explains why he believes learning should be delivered in short, focused bursts, how neuroscience can dramatically improve learning transfer, and the six elements that underpin his learning design model.</p><p><br></p><p>The conversation covers facilitation, curiosity, performance consulting, workplace application, and why understanding the real business problem is often more important than delivering training.</p><p><br></p><p>Whether you're an L&D professional, facilitator, consultant or people leader, this episode offers practical insights into creating learning experiences that people actually remember and use.</p><p><br></p><p>Key Takeaways</p><p><br></p><p>1. Learning works best in small, focused bursts</p><p><br></p><p>Andrew believes 90 minutes is the optimal maximum learning window, allowing facilitators to work with the brain rather than against it.</p><p><br></p><p>2. Learning transfer matters more than learning delivery</p><p><br></p><p>The real value comes from helping people apply ideas back in the workplace through simple experiments and deliberate practice.</p><p><br></p><p>3. Curiosity is one of the most important skills in L&D</p><p><br></p><p>Great practitioners resist jumping to solutions and instead spend time understanding the real business problem.</p><p><br></p><p>Timestamps:</p><p><br></p><p>[00:00:00] Welcome to Rogue L&D</p><p>[00:00:45] Andrew's origin story: struggling at school, falling for how memory works</p><p>[00:03:00] David Rock, the AGES model, and standing on giants' shoulders</p><p>[00:04:15] Winning L&D Professional of the Year 2026</p><p>[00:06:00] Betting on neuroscience while the industry chases AI</p><p>[00:07:15] Bite Size Learning: why 90 minutes is the ceiling</p><p>[00:12:00] The program that beat "eight years of learning in eight months"</p><p>[00:13:40] The special sauce: contracting, context, and tiny experiments</p><p>[00:15:15] Interlude: the three-tier thumbs up (and when it offends)</p><p>[00:18:20] The facilitation skill he never trained for</p><p>[00:21:00] Proudest moment, and why peer validation hits different</p><p>[00:24:00] Starstruck: the day a Brumbies legend walked into his workshop</p><p>[00:27:00] The thing nobody knows: economics, surf lifesaving, and a career pivot</p><p>[00:31:30] The model: Time, Attention, Relevance, Generation, Emotion, Retention</p><p>[00:36:15] Best advice: stay curious, don't jump to the solution</p><p>[00:38:00] When half the room got laid off on Friday</p><p>[00:41:00] ATD America and the bucket-list conference</p><p>[00:43:30] Where to find Andrew</p><p><br></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewlawson1/">Andrew Lawson on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thelearningzone.com.au/">The Learning Zone</a></li><li><a href="https://www.justninety.com/">Just Ninety</a></li><li><a href="https://bestpracticeconsulting.com.au/">Best Practice Consulting</a></li><li><a href="https://au.linkedin.com/in/tomjbailey">Tom Bailey on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://thomasbailey.co/">Tom Bailey Website</a></li></ul>
May 20, 2026
<p>Most training requests are just guesses and they’re costing you more than you think.</p><p><br></p><p>Most organizations are flooded with training requests. But what if those requests are solving the wrong problems? This episode explores how shifting from a training mindset to a performance mindset can completely change the value L&D delivers. It breaks down how to challenge assumptions, ask better questions, and focus on measurable outcomes that actually move the business forward.</p><p>Nigel Harrison, a psychologist and global expert in performance consulting with decades of experience advising organizations worldwide, shares a practical model for uncovering real performance gaps and identifying solutions that go far beyond training. The conversation dives into how to build trust with stakeholders, avoid becoming an order taker, and reposition L&D as a true business partner driving meaningful results.</p><p><br></p><p>Key Takeaways</p><ol><li>I’ve learned that most requests for training are actually requests for solutions—not clearly defined problems—and jumping straight to delivery adds no value.</li><li>I now focus on identifying performance gaps first, using questions to uncover what’s really happening and what success actually looks like.</li><li>I’ve realized that building rapport and understanding the client’s world is what allows me to challenge assumptions without resistance.</li></ol><p><br></p><p>Timestamps</p><p>[00:00] Introduction to performance consulting</p><p>[01:30] Why training is often the wrong starting point</p><p>[03:00] The shift from training to performance thinking</p><p>[05:00] Why managers jump to solutions</p><p>[07:00] How to respond to training requests effectively</p><p>[10:00] The 3 phases of the performance consulting model</p><p>[12:00] Measuring performance gaps (not training outcomes)</p><p>[16:00] Why training needs analysis is flawed</p><p>[20:00] Psychology, rapport, and influencing clients</p><p>[28:00] Real-world example: solving without training</p><p>[35:00] The shift to virtual coaching and better outcomes</p><p>[39:00] The single most powerful question to ask</p><p><br></p><p>Links</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nigel-harrison-b218421/">Nigel Harrison on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://performconsult.co.uk/">Performance Consulting</a></li><li><a href="https://au.linkedin.com/in/tomjbailey">Tom Bailey on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://thomasbailey.co/">Tom Bailey Website</a></li><li><a href="https://performconsult.co.uk/book-shop/">Books by Nigel Harrison</a></li></ul><p><br></p>
April 24, 2026
<p>Most L&D teams are solving the wrong problems and Natal Dank explains why</p><p><br></p><p>A pioneer in business and HR agility, Natal Dank joins the Rogue L and D Podcast to challenge everything you think you know about learning and development.</p><p>Natal is a globally recognised workplace transformation specialist, author of Agile HR and Agile L&D, and Executive Director at PXO Culture. Known for her evidence based, value led approach, she works with organisations worldwide to improve performance, productivity, and the experience of work.</p><p>In this episode, Natal shares why L&D must stop jumping to solutions and start solving real business problems. She breaks down what it means to work product led, how to prioritise the right challenges, and why Agile as an industry may have lost its way.</p><p>If you want to move from delivering training to driving measurable impact, this conversation is essential listening.</p><p><br></p><p>Key Takeaways</p><ol><li>You need to stop treating requests as learning problems and instead focus on solving real business challenges that impact performance</li><li>You should prioritise ruthlessly because there are always more problems than capacity and not all are worth solving</li><li>You must test and validate solutions early rather than jumping straight into building full programmes</li></ol><p><br></p><p>Timestamps</p><p>[00:04:10] Delivering value vs delivering training</p><p>[00:05:15] Employee experience as a product</p><p>[00:06:20] Why onboarding is a shared problem</p><p>[00:07:10] The real skill is prioritisation</p><p>[00:08:05] Stop jumping to solutions</p><p>[00:11:35] It is not a learning problem</p><p>[00:13:10] Design thinking in L&D</p><p>[00:14:05] The internal job marketplace experiment</p><p>[00:18:00] Measuring real performance outcomes</p><p>[00:19:15] Agile HR is dead explained</p><p><br></p><p>Links </p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataldank/">Natal Dank on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://nataldank.com/">Natal Dank’s Website</a></li><li><a href="https://au.linkedin.com/in/tomjbailey">Tom Bailey on LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://thomasbailey.co/">Tom Bailey Website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.pxoculture.com/">PXO Culture</a></li></ul><p><br></p>
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A short podcast allowing you to meet some of the brilliant folk driving people performance and development forward.
We do this in an informal and human way.
Our host Tom Bailey, award winning L&D leader and passionate maverick for all things development.
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