Content Warning: This episode discusses mental health, suicide, and self-harm. Listener discretion is advised.
Keegan and Athena discuss the role church plays in the lives of troubled youth, the challenges of parenting, and what happens when people learn to live one life at church and another in the world.
11 May 2026
S.2. #4 - April Rogers
In this episode, Keegan and April share candid stories on leaving church, pursuing passions, and redefining success and purpose.
23 Apr 2026
S.2. #3 - Cody Ng
Content Warning: This episode discusses mental health, suicide, and self-harm. Listener discretion is advised.
Keegan met Cody when Cody was a student leader in high school ministry. In this episode, Cody reflects on the recent loss of his best friend, the bonds of friendship shaped by trauma, and why he no longer considers himself religious.
GoFundMe for Cruz's funeral and medical expenses: https://www.gofundme.com/f/honoring-cruz-our-beloved-friend?attribution_id=sl:82035965-4e35-4132-9970-b08d35c96880&ts=1775907468&utm_campaign=natman_today_preferred_share_modal_ios&utm_medium=customer&utm_source=copy_link
20 Apr 2026
S.2. #2 - Koa Shimabukuro
ALRIGHT EVERYBODY. This one was a doozy.
Koa predicted we would have to edit a lot -- he was right.
Keegan and Koa discuss scandals, the Eucharist, and Ex-vangelicalism.
10 Apr 2026
S.2. #1 - The Life and (Almost) Death of Keegan Drummond
Keegan and Keala debrief season one and what has transpired since. They imagine where things will go in season two, but not before introducing a brand new guest you never saw coming.
13 Oct 2025
#9 My Friend the Charismatic Preacher - Shea Takazono
Shea Takazono and his wife are the lead pastors of The Testimony, a church community based in Waipahu, HI.
Keegan and Shea discuss their time in Bible college, charismatic vs. traditional church cultures, leadership failures, and how to create space for different expressions of faith.
Note from Keegan: This one starts a bit abruptly as we had recorded about 30mins earlier and had to re-record due to some tech issues. The first file got corrupted (sorry Shea!), and we were only able to use the second recording.
30 Sept 2025
#8 My Friend the Puritan - Keegan Drummond
Lots of problems recording this one. The guest was extremely problematic. Against my better judgement, I have uploaded it here. No video :(
Keegan Drummond was part of an Evangelical community in Hawaii for over 10 years. After attending bible college, he went to the mainland to pursue an M.Div. While in divinity school, he entered the Roman Catholic Church.
22 Sept 2025
#7 My Friend the "Sketchy" Scene Kid- Ayaka Takao
Ayaka joined the youth ministry at 13 where she served in many capacities until graduating high school. She attended art school in the mainland where she (mostly) left church altogether.
Keegan and Ayaka discuss gender, purity culture, and the aesthetics of evangelicalism.
8 Sept 2025
#6 My Friend the Outcast - Nalu Kapu
In this episode, Keegan and Nalu discuss burnout, doubt, and sketchy chicken from an unhoused person.
1 Sept 2025
# 5 My Friend the Ex Youth Pastor - ʻAlohilani McDonald
Keegan and ʻAlohi navigate exes, church hurt, and a pesky lawnmower.
19 Aug 2025
#4 My Friend My Brother - Quinn Drummond
Dating at church, burning out volunteers, and whether pastors should earn a living wage --Keegan and Quinn tackle some big questions about life in evangelical churches.
11 Aug 2025
#3 My Friend the Token Testimony - Sháni Pamatz
Sháni and Keegan discuss the ethics around testimonies, short-term mission trips, and youth church camps.
6 Aug 2025
#1 My Friend the (Now) Christian Ex-Cult Member - Kamahaʻo Fung
Kamahaʻo Fung was born into a cult based in Honolulu. His family later converted to Christianity, and he was raised in an Evangelical church. He went to Bible college, led worship, and worked in that church while being a closeted gay man.
4 Aug 2025
#2 My Friend the Pastor's Kid - Malia Shimabukuro
Keegan and Malia talk about Evangelical excellence, being judgemental, and dodgeball.
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