Conversations with fearless scientists, policy experts, and journalists who are defying dogma and defending discovery. <br/><br/><a href="https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">sciencefromthefringe.substack.com</a>
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Conversations with fearless scientists, policy experts, and journalists who are defying dogma and defending discovery. <br/><br/><a href="https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">sciencefromthefringe.substack.com</a>
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July 3, 2026
Europe's Deadly Aversion to Air Conditioning (In Defense of Climate Change - Episode 5)
<p>In the fifth episode of <a target="_blank" href="https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/t/in-defense-of-climate-change">In Defense of Climate Change</a>, Bryce Nickels and climate policy scholar <a target="_blank" href="https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/about-roger-pielke">Roger Pielke Jr.</a> discuss Roger’s recent <a target="_blank" href="https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/europes-deadly-aversion-to-air-conditioning">essay</a> which presents a data-driven analysis estimating how many lives are lost because of Europe’s low air-conditioning adoption. His analysis suggests that if Europe had air-conditioning penetration comparable to the United States or Japan, tens of thousands of deaths during severe heat waves could potentially be avoided.</p><p>Bryce and Roger also discuss the political and moral dimensions of climate policy. Bryce argues that governments should not prioritize reducing energy consumption over protecting human lives, contending that Europe’s low adoption of air conditioning reflects this misplaced priority. Roger argues that the real challenge is not to consume less energy, but to produce abundant low-carbon energy that supports both emissions reductions and effective adaptation. The conversation concludes with a broader discussion of technology, democracy, and the role of adaptation in building resilience to climate change.</p><p>(recorded July 1, 2026)</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Science From the Fringe at <a href="https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/subscribe</a>
June 17, 2026
Anthony Bellotti - The Price of Principle: Holding NIH Accountable
<p>In this episode of Science From the Fringe, host Bryce Nickels speaks with Anthony Bellotti, founder and president of the <a target="_blank" href="https://www.whitecoatwaste.org/">White Coat Waste Project</a>, a government watchdog organization dedicated to exposing and ending taxpayer-funded animal experimentation. The episode examines the tension between mission-driven advocacy and institutional incrementalism, asking whether meaningful reform comes from working within existing systems—or from holding those systems accountable when they fail to live up to their promises.</p><p>Anthony discusses how a summer job in an animal laboratory at age 17 ultimately led him to create White Coat Waste and explains why the organization rejected the traditional playbook of the animal-rights movement in favor of a strategy focused on government accountability, taxpayer transparency, and bipartisan coalition-building.</p><p>The conversation explores the ethical and scientific debates surrounding animal research, including whether taxpayer-funded animal experimentation is ever justified, how society should balance potential human benefits against animal suffering, and whether biomedical research has become overly reliant on animal models.</p><p>Bryce and Anthony also discuss White Coat Waste’s increasingly public disagreements with NIH leadership, including the organization’s recent complaint to the HHS Office of Inspector General, allegations that NIH officials have made misleading statements about their authority to reduce animal experimentation, and broader questions of institutional accountability and public trust.</p><p>Anthony also responds to criticism of White Coat Waste’s tactics, including allegations that the organization’s advocacy has contributed to threats directed at NIH officials and criticism of its willingness to work with controversial figures such as Laura Loomer to advance its mission.</p><p>(recorded June 14, 2026)</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Science From the Fringe at <a href="https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/subscribe</a>
June 9, 2026
'Cowards Die Many Times' (In Defense of Virology - Episode 11)
<p>In the eleventh episode of <a target="_blank" href="https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/t/in-defense-of-virology">In Defense of Virology</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/@brycenickels">Bryce Nickels</a> and <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/@simonwainhobson">Simon Wain-Hobson</a> examine what Simon sees as a decades-long failure of the virology community to seriously confront the potential risks and societal consequences of its own research. As experiments became increasingly sophisticated and controversial, Simon argues that repeated opportunities for reflection, debate, and reform were missed.</p><p>Drawing on themes from his essay “<a target="_blank" href="https://biosafetynow.substack.com/p/cowards-die-many-times">Cowards Die Many Times</a>,” Simon traces a series of pivotal moments, beginning with the <a target="_blank" href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12114528/">2002 synthesis of poliovirus</a> and continuing through the <a target="_blank" href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1119392">reconstruction of the 1918 influenza virus</a>, the controversial <a target="_blank" href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1213362">H5N1 gain-of-function experiments</a>, and ultimately the COVID-19 pandemic. Each episode raised important questions about the risks of creating and disseminating information about potentially dangerous pathogens, yet meaningful debate was discouraged, avoided, or actively shut down.</p><p>The discussion covers how prominent scientists and institutions shaped these debates and, in Simon’s view, often discouraged meaningful scrutiny of controversial research. Examples include a 2005 Science editorial by Nobel laureate Philip Sharp defending the reconstruction of the 1918 influenza virus (“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.310.5745.17">1918 Flu and Responsible Science</a>”) and influential editorials in December 2011 (“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-flu-virus-risk-worth-taking/2011/12/30/gIQAM9sNRP_story.html">A flu risk worth taking</a>”) and June 2012 (“<a target="_blank" href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5101943/">Benefits and Risks of Influenza Research: Lessons Learned</a>”) by Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci defending Kawaoka and Fouchier’s controversial bird flu gain-of-function experiments. Simon argues that appeals to authority, institutional incentives, and concerns about career advancement helped create a culture in which questioning risky research became professionally and socially costly.</p><p>Using a 2020 paper on COVID-19 origins (“<a target="_blank" href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32700664/">The Origin of COVID-19 and Why It Matters</a>”) as a case study, Simon also explains how unscrupulous scientists can transform unsupported claims into "facts" through repeated citation, institutional endorsement, and publication in prestigious journals. Once amplified by prominent scientists and influential publications, such claims can acquire the appearance of established knowledge even when the underlying evidence is weak or entirely absent. </p><p>(recorded June 6, 2026)</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Science From the Fringe at <a href="https://sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">sciencefromthefringe.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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