Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls. Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports; a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio, he’s also worked for TSN and Sportsnet as a host/anchor. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent resource related to hockey officiating. #RefsPodcast

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Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls. Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports; a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio, he’s also worked for TSN and Sportsnet as a host/anchor. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent resource related to hockey officiating. #RefsPodcast
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Recent Episodes

June 22, 2026
The Stanley Cup Final Finale!
<p>That's a rap on the 2025-26 NHL season, as the Carolina Hurricanes claimed the Stanley Cup in Game 6 over the Vegas Golden Knights. Wrapping up:</p><ul><li>Referee Golfin' Garrett Rank takes a tumble</li><li>Canes' Jason Blake gets called for tripping. A marginal tripping call? In the Stanley Cup Final?</li><li>Tomas Hertl pushes the puck to win a draw. "You can't do that," says Rule 67 (and liney Trent Knorr, who saw it all happen)</li><li>An AHL penalty shot call sends the announcer into a frenzy. Listen to him complain about it... and then undermine his argument!</li><li>Congrats to the ECHL's Kelly Cup Champion Florida Everblades, who won - and got dumped.</li><li>and what topics might be on tap at the upcoming NHL Board of Governors' meetings? Rule changes, perhaps?</li></ul><ul><p>...</p><p><br></p></ul><p>---------------</p><p>Visit <a href="http://scoutingtherefs.com/">scoutingtherefs.com</a> and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, BlueSky, and Threads. Email us your questions - heyref@scoutingtherefs.com</p><p>Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/refspodcast"> #RefsPodcast</a></p>

June 12, 2026
Stupidest Question I've Ever Heard
<p>The NHL Stanley Cup Final is in full swing! This week:</p><ul><li>No call on Golden Knights' Eichel for dumping Canes' Staal</li><li>Vegas's Stone sticks Chatfield up high, prompting an official discussion and a video review. How did that work, exactly?</li><li>Game 3 has two challenges against Vegas - one for offside against Howden, one for goaltender interference on Barbashev</li><li>A Cup Final Penalty Shot courtesy Wes McCauley! Breaking down the call and the criteria</li><li>Not-quite-buzzer-beater by McNabb</li><li>Carolina's Stankoven gets crosschecked by Dowd. It was a minor penalty - should it have been more?</li><li>Puck over glass! Puck over glass! Puck over glass! When was the last time a team was whistled for three puck-over-glass penalties?!</li><li>Breaking down the ref pairs and the stats in the Cup Final. Which pair favors one team over the other... and why?</li><li>What do we need to do to get the NHL to hand out some hardware to the officials? A Golden Whistle would be nice, but we have some other trophy suggestions. </li></ul><p>---------------</p><p>Visit <a href="http://scoutingtherefs.com/">scoutingtherefs.com</a> and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, BlueSky, and Threads. Email us your questions - heyref@scoutingtherefs.com</p><p>Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/refspodcast"> #RefsPodcast</a></p>

June 5, 2026
Cup Final Coach's Challenge, Ref Cam Returns
<p>We've made it through the NHL Conference Finals and Games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup Final with plenty to discuss on this week’s Refs Podcast:</p><ul><li>The NHL's Final Four refs and linespersons</li><li>Ghislain Hebert gets a new gig up north</li><li>The ref cam is back!</li><li>Referee Chris Rooney kicks off the Cup Final with some words of encouragement</li><li>Icing, icing, baby... or is it? Breaking down a controversial icing call that led to a Carolina Hurricanes goal in Game 1.</li><li>Why the whistle? Did the referee lose sight of the puck? Or was it goaltender interference? Logic says the latter as Vegas Golden Knights head coach John Tortorella challenged -- losing both the challenge and the game. What happened on that play?</li><li>And, hang on, did we get an official post-game comment from the NHL Officiating team on that call!?</li></ul><ul><p><br></p></ul><p>---------------</p><p>Visit <a href="http://scoutingtherefs.com/">scoutingtherefs.com</a> and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, BlueSky, and Threads. Email us your questions - heyref@scoutingtherefs.com</p><p>Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/refspodcast"> #RefsPodcast</a></p>
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