Podcasts from Dave Winer, editor of the Scripting News blog, since 1994.
Scripting News podcast
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Podcasts from Dave Winer, editor of the Scripting News blog, since 1994.
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July 12, 2026
My first RSS.chat podcast
<p><i>Notes prepared by Claude.ai.</i></p><p>In this podcast, recorded July 12, 2026, Dave introduces <a href="https://rss.chat/">rss.chat</a> — his first podcast about the project — and explains why he thinks of it as more than a product: it's meant to be an ecosystem, something that exists to create other products or influence existing ones.</p><p>He opens with a lesson learned over decades in software: people don't listen to their friends, they listen to their competitors. Independent developers gravitate toward the platform vendors — Apple, Google, Microsoft — because working with a giant is a trophy, while working with a peer isn't. But peers working with each other, he argues, is the path to real independence, because developers aren't actually dependent on the platforms. Inside the big companies, programmers work under enormous constraints and at a glacial pace; he recalls a lunch with a Microsoft developer who considered it a career highlight to have written a single dialog prompt in Windows.</p><p>Dave revisits the history of podcasting, which he thought of as a product in the 2001–2004 period, bootstrapped by Radio UserLand — at the time the leading product in RSS and blogging combined. He tells the story of how a reviewer left Radio UserLand out of a roundup of feed readers, and how every subsequent review covered exactly the same set of products. His conclusion: journalists mostly copy each other or the press release, and their complaints about AI taking away original work ring hollow to someone who's been on the other side.</p><p>On why you can't create an account on rss.chat: it's his personal site, a social network for friends and people he creates with over the long term. One of them is Don Park, whom he's known since 1988, reconnected with now because both are deep into Claude Code.</p><p>The big idea comes near the end. When you ask ChatGPT to make an app, it gravitates toward making a dashboard. Dave wants each of us to take the kind of software we know best and turn it into a template — his gravitates toward making a social network. The architecture puts the user interface in the middle with all the wires coming in and out; you and your AI design the experience in the middle, and the wires are just there. It goes all the way down to the source, which is why he calls it "open source plus" — you can hack the code, but it's better if you interop, because that's the philosophy of the web itself. Every part is replaceable. Not lock-in, but locked open.</p><p>Background and ongoing documentation at <a href="http://scripting.com/2026/07/">scripting.com</a>.</p><p><i>Notes prepared by Claude.ai.</i></p>
June 26, 2026
My (latest) AI Aha Moment
<p><i>Notes prepared by Claude.ai.</i></p><p>Dave opened with an aha moment he'd been chasing for years. Long before ChatGPT, he wanted to load all his blog writing into a machine and have it grind through everything to produce a table of contents — the kind you'd find in the back of a book — surfacing the items with eighty references pointing at them and the recurring themes running through his timeline. He pointed to the browser wars of the 90s as an example, a period he wrote about heavily and, because his posts were read everywhere then, actually influenced. The dream was to load it all into an AI, read the index, and ask how a given idea developed over time.</p><p>What struck me is that his solution turns out to be almost embarrassingly simple, and it only took four years. Because Dave writes everything in OPML — and always has, all the way back to the beginning, sitting in public in the scripting news repo on GitHub — you teach the AI to read OPML, drop everything into one file, and tell it to read the whole thing. His key insight is that you have to tell it more than once: the model doesn't actually ingest everything on the first pass, and it doesn't mind being nagged. You coerce the whole corpus into the model, then start asking questions and have it build the index.</p><p>He framed this as the familiar pattern of suddenly understanding one level of the stack while having no clue what's below it — and being at peace with that, because the lower levels are someone else's job. From there he reflected on how societies keep growing more complex out of the same basic human material, and how it never quite occurred to him that he's one of the people who build that stuff. Fifty-plus years of programming, never stopping, even running a company with a day job and a night job where the night job was the software. What he gets off on, he said, is creating new interactions that work for people — the same impulse he sees in Ted Nelson, Engelbart, Ritchie, and Berners-Lee, who just made things instead of agonizing over whether they should.</p><p>He closed on two notes. First, a caution against fear: this is version 0.51, not even 1.0, and if the first airplane anyone ever saw were a 747 they'd be terrified — these things arrive gradually for a reason. And second, the thing humans do badly: we push forward and create amazing things, but we never clean up after ourselves. We're hoarders, and what we hoard is CO2.</p><p><i>Notes prepared by Claude.ai. It makes mistakes, but it's a good summary, more or less reflects what I said.</i></p>
June 2, 2026
MacWrite for the web
<p><i>Notes prepared by Claude.ai. It makes mistakes, like where it was recorded, but gets the story remarkably well. </i></p><p>A solo Dave Winer podcast, recorded over breakfast in a parking lot in Kingston, NY.</p><p>The episode starts with something Dave read from Dries Buytaert, the founder of Drupal, arguing that open source developers have to care for ecosystems, not just their own source code. It landed, because Dave's spent the last couple of years getting close to WordPress and wrestling with a basic question: what is WordPress? Not a company with a single strategy the way Microsoft was in the 90s, where nothing shipped unless it fit the plan. WordPress is many entities at once, and Dave's sense is that the people inside it don't fully see the larger web they live in — which is a missed opportunity, because the web desperately needs building.</p><p>From there he gets to the thing that's been gnawing at him: nobody in tech expects breakthroughs anymore. He's a product maker, and what he really makes is opportunities — solutions to problems most people can't even parse, because they're not expecting anything new. He traces this back through his whole career. Outliners, which everyone misremembers as a chore. MORE in 1986, an easy hit because everyone already understood presentations. And a great story about licensing news photos from AP and Agence France-Presse for a Ken Burns–style screensaver of current events — and nobody believing he'd actually gotten the rights. Same disbelief, he notes, that surrounded his New York Times RSS feed, the real catalyst for RSS taking off. He invokes the ice-nine image from Cat's Cradle: once the Times was on board, the rest had to follow.</p><p>The emotional core is envy. Listening to Spielberg on The Rewatchables, Dave was struck by how filmmakers share ideas, talent, and each other's projects — and asked why he's never gotten to make his contribution where he's most able, bootstrapping ecosystems, without having to build and run a whole company to earn the seat.</p><p>He closes with the pitch: WordLand is the MacWrite of the writer's web — a reference design meant to show developers what a writing tool on this platform looks like, deliberately not trying to be the everything-app that would scare developers off. Underneath it sits wpIdentity, an API that talks to WordPress but isn't bound to it. Get one more implementation and you're on the road to a web standard. The takeaway: open source isn't enough. You have to protect open formats and protocols, use only web protocols, and make every part replaceable — and if you want anyone to believe that, you'd better have already replaced them yourself.</p><p><i>Notes prepared by Claude.ai</i></p>
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