On Second Order Change we share honest conversations with incredible artists, entrepreneurs, and authentic humans. No matter their title, all these people have experienced the wild ride that comes with stepping out of the mainstream, embracing your calling, and experience the fulfillment of comprehensive creative living.
You will learn how others have replaced certainty with curiosity, turned obstacles into opportunities, and unlocked the lives their soul was seeking all along.
Maybe you're already on your path and need some support, or maybe you're still standing at the edge of leaving behind all you've ever known... either way, you are welcome here. We love you. This podcast is designed specifically for you.
Life can be complicated, but it doesn't have to be.
It all comes down to one simple question: who are you here to be?
Death to Certainty,
Long Live the Dream
A Challenger Media House Production.
Visual Vendor to Strategic Partner: Evolving Your Creative Career with Lisamarie Shires
In this episode, Executive Producer and business mentor Lisamarie Shires shares what it really means to move beyond execution and become a trusted strategic partner in the creative industry.
Through stories and insights from years of experience working with filmmakers and photographers, Lisamarie explores how creatives can reclaim their value, embody their expertise, and lead projects with vision — not just visuals.
We talk about navigating industry shifts, redefining success, and showing up with grounded authority in an environment that often pushes creatives into compliance.
Whether you're navigating burnout, recalibrating your business, or ready to step into your next evolution as a creative leader, this episode offers clarity, permission, and practical wisdom.
🕒 Chapter Breakdown:
00:00 – The Evolving Role of Filmmakers
01:15 – Navigating Uncertainty in Business
04:20 – The Impact of Rapid Industry Changes
08:08 – Adapting to Client Needs and Expectations
12:55 – Creative Problem Solving in Production
19:15 – Opportunities in the Mid-Level Market
27:57 – Embracing Change and Adaptability
28:36 – Navigating Industry Shifts
31:57 – Balancing Work and Lifestyle
32:32 – Resisting External Pressures
35:02 – Aligning with Personal Values
45:16 – The Power of Fearlessness
54:34 – Long-Term Vision and Trust
Step your game up and work with Lisamarie: https://lisamarieshires.com/ (https://lisamarieshires.com/)
Connect with Lisa on IG: https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieshires (https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieshires)
Connect with Evan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier (https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier)
12 Apr 2025
Embodying Authenticity: Conversations on Being and Becoming with Ian Maxwell
In this episode of Second Order Change, host Evan Bourcier engages in a deep and insightful conversation with mindset coach, entrepreneur, and artist Ian Maxwell. The discussion explores the concepts of authenticity, the fluidity of identity, and how our intrinsic characteristics and conditioned behaviors shape our experiences. Highlighting the importance of internal authority over external validation, they delve into ways of being and becoming, the impact of storytelling on personal growth, and the nuances of discipline and devotion. Evan and Ian also reflect on emotional acceptance, the process of reintegration, and the transformative power of imaginative embodiment. The episode wraps up with practical advice on how to navigate these complex inner landscapes, making it a valuable listen for anyone interested in personal and professional development.
Saturday April 19th I am going to be sharing the most impactful lessons I’ve learned about video and photo equipment - what to buy, what to rent, how to take advantage of depreciation, cost of ownership vs sticker price, when and why to buy a $10k tripod, gear strategy for companies vs freelancers, setting pricing, negotiating, and so much more.
During the workshop we’re going to spend 80 minutes digging into these highly actionable principles and then have 40 minutes of QnA to talk about what’s going on in your specific world and how you can apply the tools to create more freedom for yourself, your team, and your family.
Film Gear Hacking: https://www.ebourcier.com/film-gear-hacking (https://www.ebourcier.com/film-gear-hacking)
Find Ian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mindset_magic_coach (https://www.instagram.com/mindset_magic_coach)
Find Evan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier (https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier)
Podcast Chapters:
00:00 Exploring Authenticity and Identity
01:30 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
02:31 Upcoming Financial Workshop Announcement
04:09 Childhood Imagination and Adult Conditioning
08:41 Discipline vs. Devotion
09:55 Mindset Coaching and Personal Growth
17:41 The Power of Storytelling and Acceptance
23:21 Understanding Ways of Being
28:27 Understanding Cognitive Dissonance
29:03 The Power of Declarative Truths
31:00 Exploring Rhetorical Secrecy
33:02 The Interplay of Being and Becoming
37:13 Authenticity and Self-Acceptance
46:49 Embracing Emotions and Vulnerability
54:32 Navigating Success and Inner Stories
31 Mar 2025
Navigating Grief, Growth, & Creativity with Michael Dalton
What happens when you stop suppressing your emotions and start embracing them?
In this episode, we dive into the messy, beautiful process of emotional growth—how childhood experiences, therapy, and personal awakenings shape our perspective on life, creativity, and success.
We unpack:
🔹 Growing up in a conservative religious environment and unlearning emotional suppression
🔹 The impact of grief, heartbreak, and vulnerability on personal and creative life
🔹 Balancing emotions and rationality into an integrated way of being
🔹 How authenticity on social media can both empower and challenge us
🔹 Parenting, individuality, and encouraging emotional expression in future generations
This is a conversation about healing, growth, and the creative power of feeling deeply.
🎧 Listen now on Second Order Change.
Michael's IG: https://www.instagram.com/michaelishustle
Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
A Challenger Media House Production.
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