Shirley, You Can't Be Serious.

About Shirley, You Can't Be Serious.

A Memoir: A prayer warrior's journey and larger than life stories that are filled with lessons, even long after her passing. The incredible tale of Shirley's brushes with fraud, death, prison, and Jesus.

Publisher

Dead Serious Media

Category

true crime

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

13 Jun 2025

Latest episode

13 Mar 2026

Latest episodes

2 of 18 episodes have a transcript.

1. 

   13 Mar 2026TRANSCRIPT

   Shirley's List

   The story of Shirley has never been simple, and it isn’t over. Amanda reflects on the journey that began years earlier with a simple desire to record one woman’s stories. What started as the beginnings of a memoir, slowly unfolded into something much bigger: a life filled with compassion, mystery, and unanswered questions. As the season closes, we look back at the woman who inspired it all: Shirley. Through heartfelt memories from those whose lives she changed, we see the profound impact Shirley had on everyone she welcomed into her home and heart. But even as this chapter ends, some questions remain, Especially surrounding Joan’s unsolved murder. The search for truth doesn’t end here. And when more truth surfaces, we will listen. The season finale is a reflection, a tribute, and a reminder: some stories are still waiting to be told.

2. 

   24 Feb 2026

   Hand in the Peanut Butter Jar • Bonus Episode 8

   What happens when the person you’re searching for answers from may never give them? The visit with Dan continues as he unpacks his complicated relationship with his dad, an unsettling fishing trip, and the questions that still hang in the air. Dan reflects on seeing his father as “two different people”: the man he remembers from childhood and the feeble old man who may be carrying secrets to the grave. If he didn’t do anything, why won’t he just say no? The conversation turns to what compelled that pivotal meeting in the first place and whether their shared connection to Shirley was the only reason it happened at all. From there, the episode shifts into deeply personal territory: memories of Shirley’s devout religious activity, her relentless church involvement, and her habit of charitably bringing strangers into their home. What begins as nostalgic storytelling spirals into one of the most shocking (and darkly comedic) stories of the season involving a rescued teenage boy, a jar of peanut butter, and a moment no one could ever unsee.

3. 

   17 Feb 2026TRANSCRIPT

   Never The Wiser • Bonus Episode 7

   In this behind-the-scenes episode, Amanda  and Josh prompt Dan to trade case files for kitchen stories. He shares cooking disasters and teenage rebellion as they unpack the lighter and darker moments that didn’t always make it into the main narrative. What starts with a simple question about Shirley’s cooking, spirals into unforgettable stories: Hamburger Helper on repeat, Frosted Flakes for dinner, and a hilariously horrifying fish served whole: eyes, fins, and all. There’s the one redeeming “crescent ring” meal, but mostly it’s a portrait of family life that feels chaotic, funny, and painfully real. From there, the stories get wilder. A 15-year-old joyride in a white Monte Carlo, A rooftop stash of beer cans discovered months after a secret pool party. Groundings, old BMWs, Pintos, and growing up in Arizona with flat roofs and big consequences. These moments of teenage mischief offer a rare glimpse of normalcy inside a family story that is anything but simple. But the episode doesn’t stay light. The conversation turns to Mount Lemmon, the attack, the arrest, and the haunting “I could have gotten away with it” claim. They also dig into the emotional fallout of divorce, unresolved love, and the complicated marriage that followed. This episode balances humor and heartbreak, nostalgia and trauma, showing how even in the shadow of violence, there were school snowball fights, cliff dives in Sabino Canyon, and complicated attempts at love. It’s messy. It’s human. And it’s another layer of the story we thought we already knew.

4. 

   21 Jan 2026

   No Bull, Just Mastiffs • Bonus Episode 6

   In this deeply personal and wide-ranging episode, Josh and Amanda sit down with Dan Skaggs to unpack what it was really like growing up inside Shirley’s world, and in the orbit of his father, Stephen Skaggs. What begins as memories of adolescence in Alaska and Arizona quickly unfolds into a raw account of family dynamics, delinquency, survival, and the long tail of unanswered questions. Dan reflects on being a troubled teenager, forced into unpaid work and church by Shirley while his father was incarcerated, his complicated bond with stepbrother Eddie, and the petty crimes that shaped his early years. From stolen bikes and shoplifting to small-town boredom in Alaska, Dan paints a vivid picture of youth, recklessness, and influence, while also offering rare insight into Shirley as a disciplinarian, protector, and deeply complicated presence in his life. As the conversation deepens, the focus turns darker. Dan revisits the day his father was arrested, the fear that followed, death threats, break-in attempts, police searches and the lifelong impact of growing up adjacent to a violent crime that still haunts victims’ families today. He wrestles openly with doubt, loyalty, and hindsight, questioning what he didn’t see, what law enforcement may have mishandled, and whether the truth about other unsolved cases will ever fully surface. This episode is not about easy answers. It’s about memory, accountability, and the unbearable weight of “what if.” Above all, it’s about the human cost of silence and why telling Shirley’s story, even now, still matters.

5. 

   29 Dec 2025

   The Longest Ride • Bonus Episode 5

   This bonus episode marks a moment years in the making. We finally sit down with Dan Skaggs, Shirley’s stepson, to discuss his complicated journey toward closure with his father, Stephen Skaggs. Stephen was arrested in 1986 after attacking two women on Mt. Lemmon and is widely known as the prime suspect in the Joan Marie Archer cold case. Dan reflects on growing up with this reality, the unanswered questions that still linger, and how these events continue to impact not only his life, but the Archer family’s search for peace. This episode is about more than a case file. It’s about grief, truth, and the painful space between knowing and never fully knowing.

6. 

   9 Dec 2025

   Flight Risk • Bonus Episode 4

   Josh and Amanda discuss more of the forensics tied to the Alaska cases and how Shirley was able to exist within her reality. Parallels are discussed from the book Butcher Baker and more questions are raised about FBI involvement. The gang flies to St. Louis for a long awaited interview.

7. 

   18 Nov 2025

   The Burn Line to Alaska • Bonus Episode 3

   A deep dive into the wounds of the trail from Colorado to Alaska. Josh and Amanda discuss the day they sat with Eddie to hear his stories for the first time. It's an unforgettable visit that proves to be one of the most meaningful tell all moments of the Shirley You Can’t Be Serious Podcast.

8. 

   3 Nov 2025

   The Blunder Years • Bonus Episode: 2

   The story, behind the backstory: In episode 2, Shirley's childhood is revealed and a few details emerge about her choices. Josh and Amanda share about uncovering clues, discovering new mysteries and a new twist that may keep Shirley even more in the family.

9. 

   13 Oct 2025

   The Back Road to Mt Lemmon • Bonus Episode: 1

   The pace is slowed down to uncover more parts of the Mt. Lemmon story. The layers are also peeled back to reveal how the six month production took place.

10. 

    26 Sept 2025

    Episode 7: 'Til The Moss Turns Pink

    The time arrives to sit down with Skaggs. The conversation stays centered around Shirley and times in Alaska. Steve reveals more details about the stories he took part in. He solidifies the unanimous decision about wolf. Amanda faces her greatest fear to uncover the sweetest memories about her step mom. Steve reassures Steve. Does the meeting reveal any other clues to the past?

11. 

    19 Sept 2025

    Episode 6: A Thousand Little Things.

    In present day Shirley lore, the story's players take inventory of the impact left behind by a legacy of Carrolls, Skaggs, and Kargels. Where has everyone landed in their quest for healing?Steve talks of life with Shirley and Amanda faces her ultimate fear.

12. 

    5 Sept 2025

    Episode 5: Wild Ghost Chase

    Shirley's memoir brings healing and closure to so many stories. In this chapter of the story, we discuss all the loose ends and where the story settles them. Stories like cold cases that Shirley's life brings light to after being in the darkness for decades. This is the Joan Marie Archer case.

13. 

    29 Aug 2025

    Episode 4 • A Den Mother & a Scout

    Eddie fights the law and the law wins. Shirley never asked to leave Alaska, but with Steve's follow-along orders they're forced to trade the frontier life in Alaska for the scorching heat of Arizona. The Desert offers a “new beginning” and as the family settles into their new home, old secrets begin to surface.

14. 

    22 Aug 2025

    Episode 3: This Time It's For Real

    The gang heads to Alaska and Ed's not dead. ...for now. Eddie gains some new dogs, cars, and scars along the Alcan Highway. Will the family make it to the Last Frontier or will it cost them another arm and a leg?

15. 

    18 Aug 2025

    Episode 2: I'd Give My Right Arm

    A step back in time to uncover Shirley’s early years with all the joys, struggles, and family dynamics that shaped her. She revisits core memories and the pivotal moments that led her to her first love and ticket out of Catholic School Boresville. Her life is forever changed by the unexpected arrival of Eddie.

16. 

    15 Aug 2025

    Episode 1 • Don't Call Me Late For Dinner

    In the 80's Shirley is gaining Christian testimony while she's suddenly forced to navigate the world of witness testimony. High in the pine-covered peaks of southern Arizona, Mount Lemmon is known for its serene beauty and crisp mountain air. But on one fateful Summer day, the quiet is shattered by a single gunshot.

17. 

    1 Aug 2025

    Shirley's Thoughts • Coming August • 2025

    A prayer warrior's life and her larger than life stories that are filled with lessons, even long after her passing. The incredible  story of Shirley's brushes with fraud, death, prison, and Jesus.

18. 

    13 Jun 2025

    Shirley, You Can't Be Serious • Teaser

    Episode 1 coming soon.

Inside a recent episode

Shirley's List

Published 13 Mar 2026 · Transcript excerpt

[…] That's a common theme throughout Shirley's life. She was always rescuing not only people, but animals as well. Yes. She was a good resource for people who didn't quite know how to handle a situation with a cat, whether it was a medical situation that came up or, you know, a personality issue. She was always good about giving advice and being able to help with that. Yeah, I often heard your name a lot when we were down visiting. She'd be like, oh, I gotta run to Patty's house. Something I really loved about Shirley too was she was really resourceful. Yes, and she was very good about being able to match a person to the right position that they should be helping out in or match them to the right cat, the right cat to the right person. […]

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