Music attorney and journalist Bill Hochberg breaks bread with A-list business, legal and creative professionals to get the low-down and the high-up on the most interesting and consequential news, views and shmooze in today's music world.
Did Suno just use Blink-182 or Green Day tracks as training data to generate a generic pop punk ditty from California? Can anyone really figure out exactly which human songs, and how much of each, went into an AI song? Our guest Matt Adell, COO of Musical.ai (http://Musical.ai) (and former head of Beatport), says, yes they can. Their program determines who should get paid and who ought to get attribution when robots write songs based on human music. He shares with music attorneys Bill Hochberg and Sami Kazi where this new and interesting tech came from and where AI training is going in the music industry on this episode of Shmoozic Biz.
Table Of Contents:
0:00 Intro: the 12% Blink-182 Solution
0:58 Meet Matt Adell: Music Tech Legend
1:58 Matt’s History: From Napster to Beatport to Musical AI
5:05 Music Tech From Synthesizers to AI Music
10:29 The Jorja Smith AI Vocal Case
13:26 How Musical AI "Unscrambles the Egg"
15:00 Master vs. Composition Attribution Tech
18:05 Deterministic Similarity vs. "Magical Thinking"
26:10 Challenges in Detecting AI-Enhanced Tracks
33:40 Major Label Lawsuits vs. Indie Attribution
35:25 Why Licensing is Feasible, Not Inconvenient
35:00 Future Implications for the Music Industry
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Bill Hochberg is a music and media lawyer at Raines Feldman Littrell LLP and he writes regularly in Forbes and other top publications on the business and law of music.
Our musical theme is "8 Church Birds" by billeeto. https://tinyurl.com/billeeto (https://tinyurl.com/billeeto)
DISCLAIMER: This program and the associated written materials are provided for informational purposes only and are not intended, and must not be taken, as legal advice on any particular set of facts or circumstances.
11 Aug 2026
Music Lawyer Dina LaPolt On NO FAKES, Joel Katz And More
Joining Bill Hochberg and Sami Kazi on this episode is music attorney Dina LaPolt, who reps major artists and songwriters and advocates on Capitol Hill for laws like the NO FAKES Act, designed to protect against "deepfakes" and to give creators and content owners new property rights over voices and images separate from copyright and trademark law. Dina kicks things off by sharing some sage advice she took from the late music law titan Joel Katz that has steered her throughout her career. Then the conversation takes some fascinating and sometimes surprising twists and turns, like when Dina says its the Republicans who are the intellectual property party, not the Dems. "This is the time to get the No Fakes Act passed because intellectual property is a Republican issue," she says. After the mid-terms it may be too late, she asserts. Bill and Sami are not necessarily buying all of that, but its a provocative point to consider. This insight-filled convo is a must-not-miss no matter on which side of the political aisle you sit or where you stand on AI music, deepfakes, parody with digital replicas, Silicon Valley influence on Music Row, and other issues rocking the music biz today.
21 Jul 2026
How to Avoid Gig Disasters – A New App for Touring Musicians
n this episode Bill Hochberg and Sami Kazi get Shark Tanky on a new app called GigLogic designed by musicians for musicians. The app's developers Craig A. Meyer and Gary Arbuthnot say their software will help an act figure out which gigs to play and which to stay away from if they want to succeed on the road (or the high seas). GigLogic is supposed to help predict whether shows are going to be profitable or money-losers on both larger and smaller scale tours. Will this app result in some cities and towns around the country and around the world seeing fewer and fewer tours coming through because the tour economics just don't make sense? We get into that and other interesting aspects and implications of tour accounting software like GigLogic.
Table Of Contents
00:00 - Introduction And Overview
02:18 - Gig Logic Dashboard and Show Profiles
04:37 - Tour Economics and Market Selection Strategies
06:57 - Tour Deficits and Independent Artist Touring Realities
09:24 - Gig Status Categories and Budget Adjustments
11:49 - Official Launch
14:07 - Travel, Lodging, and Historical Touring Comparisons
16:30 - Multi-Ensemble Show Profiles and A/B Scenario Comparisons
18:55 - Founders' Backgrounds and Closing Remarks
For news, views and shmooze you can use about the business and law of music, subscribe to Shmoozic Biz on YouTube and follow us on Instagram, Spotify (Video), and TikTok... links in the profile.
Bill Hochberg is a music and media lawyer at Raines Feldman Littrell LLP and he writes regularly in Forbes and other top publications on the business and law of music.
Our musical theme is "8 Church Birds" by billeeto. https://tinyurl.com/billeeto (https://tinyurl.com/billeeto)
Headshot of Craig A. Meyer
https://www.pacificsymphony.org/artist-details/541/ (https://www.pacificsymphony.org/artist-details/541/)
DISCLAIMER: This program and the associated written materials are provided for informational purposes only and are not intended, and must not be taken, as legal advice on any particular set of facts or circumstances.
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