Sonder Union is, at heart, an exercise in human connection. In a world that encourages spit-polished projections of ourselves on every kind of social media, marketing, personal branding, etc., are we able to actually connect with people we don't already intimately know?
Sonder is defined as "the profound feeling of realizing that everyone, including strangers passing in the street, has a life as complex as one's own, which they are constantly living despite one's personal lack of awareness of it."
Let's start paying attention to the complex lives around us.
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After almost a year away from the mic, Owen comes back with Megan Senese (https://www.linkedin.com/in/megansenese/)—co-founder of Stage (https://stage.guide/), host of So Much to Say (https://stage.guide/so-much-to-say-podcast), and one of the most honest voices in the legal community. Brilliant, kind, utterly and indelibly herself.
Megan spent her career as a business development professional inside big firms, which meant being, in her words, “non-old, non-man, non-partner, non-lawyer, and so therefore you don’t know anything.” She and two colleagues planned their exit in stealth for a year, lived on one salary to test the downside, resigned the same morning, and launched with zero clients. The first thing she discovered was that all the advice she’d been giving lawyers actually works.
The conversation moves from there into the parts of the job nobody puts in a recruiting brochure: why business development is a fear problem rather than a tactics problem, why she hid both of her pregnancies and helped other women hide theirs, how Corduroy came to be, and what changes—and what doesn’t—when the person you’re overworking for is finally you.
Owen has been on the other side of the same trap, and neither of them pretends they’ve solved it.
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30 Mar 2026
29 - Gold Watches and Empty Cups
Brad Miller is a solo practice attorney and franchise law specialist who formerly co-hosted Walking a Spiritual Path with Jason Medford. He started his firm out of necessity after graduating law school during the housing crisis, and has since shaped it — along with a move to rural hill country — into something that fits his life rather than the other way around.
Owen and Brad talk about why the legal profession is failing younger lawyers, what happens when the promise of the gold watch no longer fills the cup, and why so many attorneys find themselves running on empty despite doing everything they were told to do. The conversation moves into Brad's growing spiritual practice, the fear of stepping into the unknown without a clear destination, and what it looks like to just stop chasing more. Recorded in August, released fashionably late.
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7 Jul 2025
Ep 28 - Heart Animals and Finite Things
Amy Volas shares her experience with grief following the loss of her cat, Roy, and explores mortality, meaning, and navigating a culture uncomfortable with death in this interview.
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Amy Volas
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