SOURCE NEEDED

About SOURCE NEEDED

In SOURCE NEEDED Abi and Liz discuss the cultural phenomena of the day - from painting conservation to film to poetry to the art market. Guilty of forming opinions on such topics without a source to back the claim, this podcast is an homage to those moments when our conversations precede research. (That said, we do our best to stick to the framework of a cultural ‘object’ per episode, and link the mentioned papers/tiktoks/memes/oddly specific wikipedia pages in the bibliomaniac caption). Intrigued? Subscribe to SOURCE NEEDED for weekly episodes and (unsubstantiated) extras. xoxo Abi + Liz

Publisher

Abi Montalvo & Liz Hébert

Category

arts · business

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

18 Feb 2025

Latest episode

31 Oct 2025

Latest episodes

11 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   31 Oct 2025

   Spooky Scary Studies

   Hosts Abi and Liz explore monsters in art, film, and pop culture, focusing on the philosophical framework of monster studies and the Date Paintings by Kawara, to understand their personal meaning of horror.

2. 

   17 Oct 2025

   Montalvo, A. (2025) Super Graphic Ultra Modern Chapel

   Hosts Abi and Liz Montalvo analyze artist chapels, specifically those of Mark Rothko, James Turrell, and Ellsworth Kelly, examining the interplay between artworks and their exhibition spaces in this episode.

3. 

   3 Oct 2025

   Hébert, L. (2021) Full Transparency

   Liz Hébert discusses her master's thesis on the conservation history of Rembrandt's painting, The Night Watch, from the 1850s to the present day, revealing the causes of its darkening.

4. 

   19 Sept 2025

   all this art is making me hungry

   Hosts Abi and Liz explore the intersection of art and food, discussing Caravaggio's artichoke story, luxury strawberries, and the modern obsession with posting fancy meals online, revealing the highs and lows of culinary representation.

5. 

   5 Sept 2025

   sabrina carpenter's symbol chain shibari

   This episode interviews art historians Jamila Bradley and Mary D. Garrard about Cindy Sherman's "Untitled Film Stills" and Sofonisba Anguissola's self-portraits.

6. 

   25 Apr 2025

   you're gonna die hunny

   Check out more of SOURCE NEEDED!!! do it. do it now. Patreon: http://patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== BIBLIOGRAPHY [and notes] will be edited after kinds day lol Theme Song Credit Acid Jazz Loop - Music Bed by gulyas25 -- https://freesound.org/s/233699/ -- License: Creative Commons 0

7. 

   10 Apr 2025

   fascism is kitsch

   Abi + Liz  break down the definition of kitsch while exploring architectural trends under fascism. Wherever the discussion takes us we know the conclusion: Fascism is NOT fetch. Check out more of SOURCE NEEDED!!! do it. do it now. Patreon: [patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED](http://patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED) Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== BIBLIOGRAPHY [and notes] [3:53] Julia Friedman, “Classicism by Decree,” *Athenaeum  Review*, 2021. [5:47] donate to wikipedia!!!  https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=NL&uselang=en-gb&wmf_medium=spontaneous&wmf_source=fr-redir&wmf_campaign=spontaneous [6:21] Marcel Breuer - learn more about his work as a furniture designer at this link: https://dedece.com/designer/marcel-breuer/ [6:34] Marcel Breuer, “Old American Embassy in den Haag,” 1959. https://www.john-adams.nl/rio-de-janeiro-and-havana-by-harrison-abramovitz-1948-and-1950/ [6:43] Marcel Breuer, “Hubert H. Humphrey Building, housing the US Department of Health and Human Services,” 1977. [7:06] Cass Gilbert, “Supreme Court Building,” 1935. [7:47] Overly Sarcastic Productions, “History Summarised: Beauty and Brutalism,” YouTube video essay, 10 May, 2024, 10:31, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Dc5vaEJfY [8:41] Ricardo Bofill, “Les Espaces d’Abraxas,” 1978, Noisy-le-Grand, France. (VR video highlighting the community living at Les Espaces d’Abraxas  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuWRxJFkvC4 ) [8:58] @brutal_architecture on instagram [13:34] Paul Troost [NAZI], “Haus der Kunst,” 1937. https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2017/03/01/should-munich-contemporary-art-museum-reveal-or-obscure-its-nazi-history [14:41] CJ the X, “How Jordan Peterson’s Suits Taught Me Fashion,” YouTube video essay, 16 October, 2024, 1:00:32, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpHFcylNGqg&t=670s [16:17] Friedman, “Classicism by Decree.” [20:02] Screenshot of Paris folding on itself from the masterpiece that is Inception. But here’s some info about Haussmann https://www.mansionglobal.com/library/architectural-styles/haussmann-architecture [20:22] Eugène Beaudouin, et al. “The Tour Montparnasse,” 1973.  https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/a-defense-of-the-ugliest-building-in-paris [26:17] I.M. Pei, “Louvre Pyramid,” 1989. [26:48] Emilio Distretti & Alessandro Petti, “The Afterlife of Fascist Colonial Architecture: A Critical Manifesto.” Journal of Historic Preservation, History, Theory, and Criticism. Vol. 16, No. 2 (Winter 2019), 2019. [32:43] Distretti & Petti, “The Afterlife of Fascist Colonial Architecture.” Further Reading: - Guiding principles for federal architecture https://www.gsa.gov/real-estate/design-and-construction/design-excellence-program/guiding-principles-for-federal-architecture - Cologne Architecture City Guide: 16 Historical and Contemporary Buildings https://www.archdaily.com/972519/cologne-city-guide-10-projects-you-shouldnt-miss Theme Song Credit Acid Jazz Loop - Music Bed by gulyas25 -- https://freesound.org/s/233699/ -- License: Creative Commons 0

8. 

   27 Mar 2025

   forgery no. 1

   Abi + Liz break down the art of forgery and go beyond the relic cult of art in this jam packed episode of the SOURCE NEEDED podcast. Check out more of SOURCE NEEDED!!! do it. do it now. Patreon: patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED (http://patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED) Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== (https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==) BIBLIOGRAPHY [definitely improperly formatted this week] 1:18 Noah Charney, "The Art of Forgery," published by Phaidon, 2015. 11:23 Alexander Nagel, "Beyond the relic cult of art." 14:23 Michaelangelo, "Bacchus.” [Liz got it a bit wrong, but you can read the full story about this sculpture here ⇒ https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/michelangelos-bacchus/ (https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/michelangelos-bacchus/)] 15:50 Image of the Caryatid statues (AKA the Elgin marbles) on display in Greece at the Acropolis Museum. A spot remains empty in case the British ever return the missing statue to its rightful home. 16:49 Artistic rendering of the Florentine Duomo, artist unknown to this bibliography writer. [Learn more about the history of the Duomo’s facade ⇒ https://duomo.firenze.it/en/opera-magazine/post/6558/the-facade-of-florence-cathedral (https://duomo.firenze.it/en/opera-magazine/post/6558/the-facade-of-florence-cathedral)] 17:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol9CCM240Ag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol9CCM240Ag) 20:04 Pablo Picasso, “Les Demoiselles d’Avignon,” 1907. 22:16 “The Price of Everything,” documentary by Madman Films, 2018. 25:40 Image of a ‘forgery factory’ from https://artstormer.com/2012/04/06/made-in-china-the-city-of-dafen/ (https://artstormer.com/2012/04/06/made-in-china-the-city-of-dafen/) [check out the webpage for more info, it’s fascinating stuff] 27:22 Peter Schjeldahl, “Dutch Master” New Yorker article, 2008. 29:21 Johannes Vermeer, “Woman writing a letter, with her Maid,” 1671. 29:24 Han van Meegeren, “The Supper at Emmaus,” 1937. 35:54 “Catch me if you can,” starring Tom Hanks and Leonardo DiCaprio, 2002. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71rDQ7z4eFg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71rDQ7z4eFg) 35:59 “How to Steal a Million,” starring Audrey Hepburn and Peter O’Toole, 1966. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90cyDLcU-3g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90cyDLcU-3g) Theme Song Credit Acid Jazz Loop - Music Bed by gulyas25 -- https://freesound.org/s/233699/ (https://freesound.org/s/233699/) -- License: Creative Commons 0

9. 

   13 Mar 2025

   ponderings on art patronage

   Are the Kardashians the modern day Medici or is that a grossly false equivalency? Abi and Liz are getting into it in this episode of the SOURCE NEEDED podcast. Check out more of SOURCE NEEDED!!! do it. do it now. PATREON: http://patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED INSTA: https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== BIBLIOGRAPHY [and notes] 1. Sandro Botticelli, “Adoration of the Magi,” oil on canvas, 1475. https://medicipatronsaints.wordpress.com/works-in-the-exhibition/sandro-botticelli-adoration-of-the-magi/ 2. @kendalljenner, “posing in front of a casual Katz to show off your easter dress, but let’s be for real - it’s for clout,” instagram photo. 3. Alex Katz, “Vivien,” oil on canvas, 2012. https://icon.ink/articles/kendall-jenner-art/ 4. Jacques Barzun, “An Insoluble Problem: The Patronage of Art,” *Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society* 131, no. 2 (1987): 121–31. http://www.jstor.org/stable/986785. 5. Maurizio Cattelan, “Comedian,” mixed media, 2019. 6. @Knits.n.notes, “Amsterdam based knitting circle,” instagram account. 7. *Well I just kind of like it*, edited by Wendy Erskine, (idk the publishing info). 8. Joseph Scott, “The Lady in my Living Room,” in *Well I just kind of like it*, ed. Wendy Erskine, (idk the publishing info) pg. 28. 9. Sandro Botticelli, “Adoration of the Magi,” oil on canvas, 1475. 10. CJ the X, “Subjectivity in Art,” video essay by CJ the X, 30 July, 2022, video, 1:33:08, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPrNWuppMcc 11. Emily Dickinson, “Perception of an Object Costs,” in *Well I just kind of like it*, ed. Wendy Erskine, (idk the publishing info but here’s a link to the complete works of Emily Dickinson: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/12242/12242-h/12242-h.htm) pg. 41. 12. “Official website of Vivian Maier," [created by John Maloof, the man who discovered her work and the chief curator of Maier’s photography] [https://www.vivianmaier.com](https://www.vivianmaier.com/) 13. “Dickinson,” starring Hailee Steinfeld, created by Alena Smith, Apple TV show, 2019. 14. Fra Bartolomeo, “Portrait of Girolamo Savonarola,” oil on panel, 1498. 15. [BONUS VIEWING] “Savonarola and the Bonfire of the Vanities,” YouTube video by the history guy, 3 December, 2018, video, 13:21, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVtKR4pwlDw Theme Song Credit Acid Jazz Loop - Music Bed by gulyas25 -- https://freesound.org/s/233699/ -- License: Creative Commons 0

10. 

    27 Feb 2025

    superstars and stephen schwartz

    On this weeks episode of SOURCE NEEDED Abi + Liz + Notre Dame are on FIRE! Their articles this week are both about the Notre Dame fire back in 2019. Abi + Liz chat about how the professionals, politicians, and the public responded to the event through the lens of crisis management and acoustics. Can they find a commonality? Listen to find out! Check out more of SOURCE NEEDED!!! do it. do it now. Patreon: patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED (http://patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED) Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== (https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==) BIBLIOGRAPHY [this bibliography is not formatted, but it’s not graded either so idgaf] Napoleon’s Coronation by Jacques-Louis David/ Georges Rouget - art database, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=546742 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=546742) [Abi and Liz were talking about the same painting!] Mullins, Sarabeth, and Brian Katz. "The Past Has Ears at Notre-Dame Cathedral: An Interdisciplinary Project in Digital Archaeoacoustics." Acoustics Today, 2024. https://acousticstoday.org/the-past-has-ears-at-notre-dame-cathedral-an-interdisciplinary-project-in-digital-archaeoacoustics-sarabeth-s-mullins-and-brian-f-g-katz-2/ (https://acousticstoday.org/the-past-has-ears-at-notre-dame-cathedral-an-interdisciplinary-project-in-digital-archaeoacoustics-sarabeth-s-mullins-and-brian-f-g-katz-2/) Gombault, Anne. “Notre-Dame Is Burning: Learning From the Crisis of a Superstar Religious Monument.” International Journal of Arts Management 22, no. 2 (2020): 83–95. https://www.jstor.org/stable/48584538 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/48584538). Liz Hébert, “S14E06: Musical Instruments” interview with Jonathan Santa Maria Bouquet, The C Word, 30 May, 2024, audio 51:59. https://open.spotify.com/episode/3f4XuVG45jJeaWzc48PHPy?si=j3craz5gQIynPGDIfVtuCg (https://open.spotify.com/episode/3f4XuVG45jJeaWzc48PHPy?si=j3craz5gQIynPGDIfVtuCg) Handy, Kumaran. “Artstation - Bridging the Gap between Gaming and History: How Assassin’s Creed Unity Is Helping Rebuild Notre-Dame.” ArtStation, https://www.artstation.com/blogs/dioeye/1dYG/bridging-the-gap-between-gaming-and-history-how-assassins-creed-unity-is-helping-rebuild-notre-dame (https://www.artstation.com/blogs/dioeye/1dYG/bridging-the-gap-between-gaming-and-history-how-assassins-creed-unity-is-helping-rebuild-notre-dame) Lawson-Tancred, Jo. “The Stats behind Notre-Dame’s Remarkable Restoration.” Artnet News, 19 Dec. 2024, news.artnet.com/art-world/notre-dame-restoration-stats-2578291 (http://news.artnet.com/art-world/notre-dame-restoration-stats-2578291) CER: Cultural Emergency Response https://www.culturalemergency.org (https://www.culturalemergency.org/) All images of the Notre Dame spire proposals and credits taken from this website: https://www.dezyncle.com/en/articles/5-design-proposals-to-reconstruct-the-notre-dame-cathedral-spire (https://www.dezyncle.com/en/articles/5-design-proposals-to-reconstruct-the-notre-dame-cathedral-spire) Video from Liz’s acoustics article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJvvkl3qrXM&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJvvkl3qrXM&t=2s) Theme Song Credit Acid Jazz Loop - Music Bed by gulyas25 -- https://freesound.org/s/233699/ (https://freesound.org/s/233699/) -- License: Creative Commons 0

11. 

    18 Feb 2025

    prologue

    Abi & Liz introduce themselves and lay the groundwork for what SOURCE NEEDED is about. There’s some background info on the girls, rants on what makes 17th-century Dutch artwork so special, how we view artwork (monetary value versus topography), and an explanation of the podcast title. Have 38 minutes to kill? Come hang with us. Check out more of SOURCE NEEDED!!! do it. do it now. Patreon: patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED (http://patreon.com/SOURCENEEDED) Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== (https://www.instagram.com/sourceneeded?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==) BIBLIOGRAPHY [and notes] 1. {3:35} Liz Hébert, “Applying to the UvA,” interview with Mané van Veldhuizen, Terri Costello, etc., ECPodcast, 9 April, 2020, audio, 27:37. https://open.spotify.com/episode/6fWjsd1G8GNCaUjeSPxQbU?si=75ca05f2558f40ee (https://open.spotify.com/episode/6fWjsd1G8GNCaUjeSPxQbU?si=75ca05f2558f40ee) [for a good introduction episode and to learn more about the grad program that Liz did at the University of Amsterdam] 2. {3:54} Liz Hébert, “S14E06: Musical Instruments” interview with Jonathan Santa Maria Bouquet, The C Word, 30 May, 2024, audio 51:59. https://open.spotify.com/episode/3f4XuVG45jJeaWzc48PHPy?si=j3craz5gQIynPGDIfVtuCg (https://open.spotify.com/episode/3f4XuVG45jJeaWzc48PHPy?si=j3craz5gQIynPGDIfVtuCg) [the topic of this episode is a lil easter egg for one of the articles in our next episode...] 3. {4:56} CJ the X, “The Dialectics of Rick & Morty,” video essay by CJ the X, 24 January, 2022, video, 1:41:35. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm4dxUIRZso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm4dxUIRZso) [high HIGH recommend!!! there’s a reason why it was the first thing we talked about, it is just that good. completely changed the game on how I watch community too] 4. {9:13} Rembrandt, “The Night Watch,” oil on canvas, 1642. https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/stories/operatie-nachtwacht/story/ultra-hoge-resolutie-foto (https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/stories/operatie-nachtwacht/story/ultra-hoge-resolutie-foto) [CLICK ON THIS LINK FOR A GREAT TIME!!!!!] 5. {9:24} “Operation Night Watch,” Rijksmuseum. https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/whats-on/exhibitions/operation-night-watch (https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/whats-on/exhibitions/operation-night-watch) [find out more about all the awesome work the conservators over at the rijks museum are doing] 6. {17:04} Liz Hébert “The effect of wax-resin impregnation on the darkening of ground and small in The Night Watch” masters thesis. University of Amsterdam, 2021. 7. {19:57} Angela Vanhaelen, “Iconoclasm and the Creation of Images in Emanuel de Witte’s ‘Old Church in Amsterdam’” The Art Bulletin, Volume. 87, No. 2 (June, 2005), pp. 249-264. http://www.jstor.org/stable/25067171 (http://www.jstor.org/stable/25067171) 8. {28:29} Maurizio Cattelan, “Comedian,” mixed media, 2019. [additional review] {8:10} James Acaster, “James Acaster on the absurdity of the British Empire,” stand up comedy clip from James Acaster Repertoire: Reset, Netflix, YouTube video, 3:42. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73PkUvArJY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73PkUvArJY) [to get some comedic insight into the British Museum’s stance on repatriation] Theme Song Credit Acid Jazz Loop - Music Bed by gulyas25 -- https://freesound.org/s/233699/ (https://freesound.org/s/233699/) -- License: Creative Commons 0

Who has been a guest on SOURCE NEEDED

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• Liz Hébert
• Jamila Bradley
• Mary D Garrard

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YouTube views

359

Score snapshot 15 Sept 2025

Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

1 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

5 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 29 / 100

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2

Social presence

91

YouTube

66

Engagement

32

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