States of Independence

About States of Independence

States of Independence dives deep into the hidden histories of the world’s greatest independent record labels with the people that know them best – the founders who built them, and the artists who made them into the stuff of rock and roll legend. In season one, it’s the saga of Beggars Banquet – an iconic punk era label that would eventually spawn an indie empire. Featuring riotous tales from label founder, Martin Mills and a line-up of his highest-achieving alumni: Gary Numan, The Cult, Bauhaus, The Fall, The Charlatans, Love and Rockets, and so many more. All of them come together to tell the story of an organisation with the spirit of punk rock baked into its very DNA.ACCOMPANYING PLAYLIST: https://bit.ly/StatesPodPlaylist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

Publisher

Talkhouse / Cup & Nuzzle

Category

music

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

28 Aug 2025

Latest episode

18 Jun 2026

Latest episodes

17 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   18 Jun 2026

   Ep 11: Trunk Records - with Jonny Trunk

   Welcome back to States of Independence! This special episode goes deep into the story of Trunk Records, home of The Wicker Man soundtrack, Joe Harriott's Hum Dono, Michael Garrick's Moonscape, the music from Kes, Bod, The Clangers and so much more. Our guide on this grooviest of trips? The label's founder, Jonny Trunk. We discuss the avant-garde music under films of microbes on The Open University, Valerie Leon, high-end intellectuals, Jo Guest eating a banana, hidden worlds, music for washing up to, getting sampled on huge records made by “very cool weirdos”, Robin Hardy and the incredible story of The Wicker Man soundtrack. Who had 35,000 unsold records in their basement? (clue: it wasn't Jonny) and how do you never lose any money on anything? We discuss Harold McNair and “beautiful, miserable” British Jazz, how having lunch with Oliver Postgate was like “sitting with a god”, celebrating the corners of recorded music that everyone else has forgotten, the filthy fan letters to glamour models that are “ten times funnier than anything at Edinburgh Festival”, “Ian’s Pigs”, and the baffling genius of the late Basil Kirchin. Also, missing the classic Stark Reality Discovers Hoagy Carmichael's Music Shop album by a week, the brilliant British electronic soundtrack that was described by its creator as, “that old shit”, the real story of Trunk’s actual hit single, The Ladies Bras, the amazing Janet Beat (who listened to trees) and so much more! Who should I do next? Let me know in the comments - or find me @rob_fitzpatrick on IG or email me soipodbb@gmail.com Thank you for listening 🙌 Host / Executive producer: Rob Fitzpatrick Producer / Editor: Fabio Fitzpatrick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2. 

   13 Nov 2025

   Ep 10: From BB to 4AD with Simon Neil, Mat Berninger, Martin Mills & Jamie East

   In this last episode of the series we’re at the end of the 90s, a time when Beggars Banquet were signing a lot of guitar bands, but finding it hard to get any of them away. Derby’s own The Beekeepers struggled - the band’s ex-singer Jamie breaks down exactly why. Another that soldiered on and broke internationally was Biffy Clyro, but only after they’d left the label, as Biffy’s singer Simon Neil explains. In 2008 the Beggars Banquet label was shuttered and some artists were moved to 4AD - one of them was The National - and singer Matt Berninger talks us through that whole process. As ever, Beggars boss Martin Mills speaks with striking openness and honesty about these huge decisions of the past and the future of the Beggars Group. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

3. 

   6 Nov 2025

   Ep 9: Buffalo Tom, Trevor Tanner, Aki Nawaz and Natacha Atlas

   Beggars contains multitudes. Here, three very different acts from its storied roster share their own experiences of the label. Buffalo Tom’s Bill Janowitz recalls emerging from the same Amherst alt rock scene that birthed Dinosaur Jr and happily stumbling into the line up of one of his all-time favourite labels. Then, Trevor Tanner tells the story of The Bolshoi – another act who seemed poised to take it all. Finally, Aki Nawaz and Natacha Atlas bring us the story of Fundamental, Transglobal Underground and Nation Records. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

4. 

   24 Oct 2025

   Bonus Ep: Love, Rockets, Voodoo Dolls, and Malevolent Fire Spirits feat. Daniel Ash & David J

   Bonus time! A story so compelling, we thought it deserved its very own episode. Behold: the full account of the fire that gutted Rick Rubin’s studio, destroyed all of Love and Rockets’ gear, and had everyone involved swearing never to dabble with a ouija board ever again. Featuring a scene-stealing walk-on from Throbbing Gristle’s General P. Orridge, and the most hair-raising description of a voodoo doll you’re ever likely to encounter. Buckle up, kiddos, things are about to take a turn for the paranormal… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

5. 

   23 Oct 2025

   Ep 8: Love and Rockets feat. Daniel Ash & David J

   When Love and Rockets tentatively emerged from the ashes of Bauhaus, Daniel Ash and David J were mainly looking for a way to get out of the shadow of their first, totemic project, and to have a little fun in the process. Little did they know that Love and Rockets would offer them so much more: a route into a whole new phase of music history, as legends in their own right. Here, the two of them reflect on the heliotropic instinct to move towards something new and bright as the gloom of the 80s gave way to the Second Summer of Love… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

6. 

   16 Oct 2025

   Ep 7, Part 2: The Go-Betweens feat Robert Forster

   In part two of this Go-Betweens special, frontman Robert Forster remembers his dear friend, the late Grant McLennan, the band they began together as schoolboys, and his group’s quest to find a creative home that would last after the turmoil of moving from Brisbane to London. After a couple of false starts, that quest would eventually lead them to Beggars Banquet. The Go Betweens might not have found the fame and fortune that they’d travelled across the world for, but with Martin Mills, they did at long last find a place to truly realise their potential. As with the Gene Loves Jezebel episode, different band member’s memories don’t always match up and resolutions can take years to come by. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

7. 

   16 Oct 2025

   Ep 7, Part 1: The Go-Betweens feat. Lindy Morrison

   For every Gary Numan or The Cult, there’s a few Go-Betweens. Those bands that stood right on the brink of breaking through – but, by some trick of fate or circumstance, never quite tipped over the edge. In part 1 of a 2-part special celebrating Australia’s greatest indie pop export, drummer Lindy Morrison reflects on all the things that made The Go-Betweens both so special and so very unlikely to ‘make it’ – at least in the years they were active. Now, the band are better known than ever, and theirs is a story that has had a lasting impact not only on the musical legacy of the country that they left, but also on the way that Beggars Banquet conducts all of its business with artists. Linda’s story is a powerful one, and she tells it brilliantly. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

8. 

   15 Oct 2025

   Preview: Fela Kuti: Fear No Man

   Subscribe to ⁠Fela Kuti: Fear No Man.⁠ In a world that’s on fire, what is the role of art? What can music actually…do? Can a song save a life? Change a law? Topple a president? Get you killed? In Fela Kuti: Fear No Man, Jad Abumrad—creator of Radiolab, More Perfect, and Dolly Parton’s America—tells the story of one of the great political awakenings in music: how a classically trained 'colonial boy’ traveled to America, in search of Africa, only to return to Nigeria and transform his sound into a battering ram against the state—creating a new musical language of resistance called Afrobeat. For years, the world’s biggest stars made pilgrimages to Nigeria to experience Fela’s Shrine, the epicenter of his musical revolution. But when the mix of art and activism got too hot, the state pulled out its guns, and literally opened fire. Fela Kuti: Fear No Man is an uncategorizable mix of oral history, musicology, deep dive journalism, and cutting edge sound design that takes listeners deep inside Fela’s life, music, and legacy. Drawing from over 200 interviews with Fela Kuti’s family, friends, as well as scholars, activists, and luminaries like Burna Boy, Paul McCartney, Questlove, Santigold, and former President Barack Obama (just to name a few), Fela Kuti: Fear No Man journeys deep into the soul of Afrobeat to explore the transformative power of art and the role artists can play in this current moment of global unrest. An Audible Original presented by Audible and Higher Ground. Produced by Western Sound and Talkhouse. ©2025 Higher Ground, LLC (P)2025 Audible Originals, LLC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

9. 

   9 Oct 2025

   Ep 6: Beggars and Charlatans! feat Tim Burgess

   It’s the dawn of the 90s and Beggars Banquet, after a decade of goth darkness, are due a little refresh. Enter, The Charlatans – a band surfing the crest of the baggy zeitgeist. Every label in Britain wants to sign them, and lo and behold, where others fail, Martin Mills succeeds. It should be the beginning of a long leisurely stroll towards ‘happily ever after’, but the story of The Charlatans is burdened with more than its fair share of catastrophe and tragedy. Here, frontman Tim Burgess reflects on the reality behind a rock and roll fantasy and the band’s extended tenure as one of the most important bands ever signed to Beggars Banquet. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10. 

    2 Oct 2025

    Ep 5: After The Fall feat. Brix Smith

    Mark E Smith was many things. Visionary songwriter? Certainly. Enduring champion of DIY culture? Without a doubt. Lifelong grunt-worker at the Post-Punk factory? Sure, why not. But one thing he most certainly wasn’t, is easy-going. In this episode of States of Independence – the accounts of two people well placed to testify to that effect: firstly Beggars boss, Martin Mills, who had the distinct pleasure of attempting to wrangle the famously industry-hating Smith during his most prolific and marketable years; secondly, his former bandmate and wife, Brix Smith, who is widely credited with injecting the pop sensibilities that defined The Fall’s imperial era on Beggars Banquet. As you might expect, there are stories galore for Fall fans both young and old… Accompanying Playlist: https://bit.ly/StatesPodPlaylist Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11. 

    24 Sept 2025

    Ep 4, part 2: Gene Loves Jezebel feat Michael Aston

    There are two sides to every story… In part two of the Gene Loves Jezebel saga, Michael Aston shares his own recollections of the band he formed, loved, and lost with his twin, Jay. Funnily enough, his story doesn’t always align with his brother’s account. But then that’s what makes the whole story of Gene Loves Jezebel so very interesting… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12. 

    24 Sept 2025

    Ep 4, part 1: Gene Loves Jezebel feat. Jay Aston

    Rock and roll partnerships are tempestuous at the best of times. Throw twin brothers into the mix? That’s a recipe for Armageddon. Gene Loves Jezebel were, for a stretch in the mid-80s, one of Beggars Banquet’s flagship bands, but when differences between the twin frontmen at the heart of it all became irreconcilable, they split apart – and eventually launched two competing versions of the same group. Which is why episode four of States of Independence gets the ‘two parter’ treatment. First up, we hear Jay Aston’s side of the Gene Loves Jezebel saga. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

13. 

    18 Sept 2025

    Ep 3: Cult Following feat Billy Duffy

    After the split of Bauhaus, a whole new wave of goth bands step into the breach. But none will prove so pivotal in the story of Beggars Banquet as The Cult. Here, Martin Mills and legendary Cult guitarist Billy Duffy tell the story of his band’s dizzying ascent from the ashes of Southern Death Cult to full-blown Californian rock gods. It’s a story filled with all the usual trappings of rock and roll fame – with money, drugs, and hard-fought creative differences all leaving their mark on the band – but for a gothic odyssey, this one has an unusually happy ending. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

14. 

    11 Sept 2025

    Ep 2: Numania and The Decade of Darkness. feat. Gary Numan, John Rocca (Freeez), & Peter Murphy (Bauhaus)

    Gary Numan has gifted Beggars Banquet their very first number one. So why is neither he nor the label happy? We step inside the intense backlash that comes with fame, as a painfully young Gary Numan tries to make sense of sudden superstardom. Plus, Martin Mills scrambles to define Beggars Banquet as more than just one very big artist… which brings us first to John Rocca’s delightfully unpunk electro pioneers, Freeez and their massive NY club hit, I.O.U, and then to something altogether more sombre. Peter Murphy introduces us to Bauhaus, the band who announce the dawn of Beggars Banquet’s ‘decade of darkness’. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

15. 

    11 Sept 2025

    Ep 2. Numania and The Decade of Darkness. feat. Gary Numan, Jon Rocca (Freeez), & Peter Murphy (Bauhaus)

    Gary Numan has gifted Beggars Banquet their very first number one. So why is neither he nor the label happy? We step inside the intense backlash that comes with fame, as a painfully young Gary Numan tries to make sense of sudden superstardom. Plus, Martin Mills scrambles to define Beggars Banquet as more than just one very big artist… which brings us first to Jon Rocca’s delightfully unpunk electro pioneers, Freeez and their massive NY club hit, I.O.U, and then to something altogether more sombre. Peter Murphy introduces us to Bauhaus, the band who announce the dawn of Beggars Banquet’s ‘decade of darkness’. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

16. 

    11 Sept 2025

    Ep 1: Birth of the Banquet feat. Gary Numan

    Rome wasn’t built in a day, and neither was Beggars Banquet. The story starts in 1974 with three mates, a little bit of cash, and the dream of opening a record shop. But when punk happens, it changes everything – and suddenly there’s a new fantasy to chase. Label founder Martin Mills drops us into the chaotic formative years of Beggars Banquet and introduces us to their very first signing, The Lurkers. Then, we meet their first star, Gary Numan, who details his meteoric rise from just another punk rock pretender to one of the definitive voices of the new wave. In the process, the legend of Beggars is born. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

17. 

    28 Aug 2025

    States of Independence - Trailer

    In States of Independence hear first-hand the stories behind the world's greatest independent record labels. The series includes new interviews with luminaries signed along the way, including Gary Numan, Pete Murphy, Brix Smith and founder Martin Mills. All of them come together to tell the story of an organisation with the spirit of punk rock baked into its very DNA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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5.0 / 5

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5.0 / 5

32 ratings

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