We're here to sit in the grey spaces. The mental glitches that disrupt our day due to emotion we've experienced in the past. The spiritual stagnation experienced when our stories of harm are ignored or left unrecognized. The darkest corners of our hearts where the Holy Spirit lives unafraid. The spaces we need others to reflect Jesus and show us grace rather than judgement.
My friend Dave is creative in his bones. I’m in awe of all the different avenues he’s pursued in his short 30-some years. I’m so proud of everything he’s already accomplished, and I can’t wait to see what he does next!
Enjoy this conversation about creativity and holding grief, but mostly about how awesome my friend Dave is. 🎙️
“If anything good or beautiful is happening, God is in the room and on the loose.”
-Curt Thompson, Soul of Desire
Dave's links:
Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/track/5JBn8cpie4tK7kYkKRAG0l?autoplay_ok=1)
Website (https://open.spotify.com/track/5JBn8cpie4tK7kYkKRAG0l?autoplay_ok=1)
Temptation of Adam- don't sleep on this read (https://www.amazon.com/Temptation-Adam-Novel-Dave-Connis/dp/1510707301/ref=sr_1_1?crid=ARO0VCWNQ3Z2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.prHvxv6xE6k3chvuXMTox5h9cgzlsMekk3CE-uAXghgy7fNx6DzRRKOVmO0ARvvWT54lFEZV07EPzlHhCFM2-8U1DNyVRdLkAzk8fXDyb56RBZtXy2JxGTt7KY90XfOqs7u5kpfIS2Rly2kyGorwkzOqttK6pJAO3WNhpt4hCFCVbvY7a0IU6yNACDbaF8NcFPPwoQ32GAu9hAI7lH7--GuuLvAaXXeTa833kddtFlo.Zhq08Ek5zFG_Iej_jcN_G_2lW8OuRh8f-uYhUVVtqQ0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Temptation+of+Adam&qid=1793811781&sprefix=temptation+of+adam%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-1)
31 May 2026
Far as the Curse is Found
Dr. Evan Marbury has the unique experience of being a pastor who is also a licensed mental health care professional. He brings both worlds together using verbiage we can all understand through a Biblical lens. You can find his approach to this valuable integrated model of care in his new book "Understanding Trauma and Resilience: A Guide for Counselors, Caregivers and Ministers". (https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Trauma-Resilience-Counselors-Caregivers/dp/1540969444) Regardless if you step in the field of pastor, mental health professional or a form of caregiving that lies somewhere in between, you need this resource!
Evan drops a lot of names in this book as well as in this podcast:
Dr. Dan Allender (https://theallendercenter.org/about/team/dan-allender/)
Dr. Curt Thompson (https://curtthompsonmd.com/)
Dr. Diane Langberg (https://www.dianelangberg.com/)
Dr. Kelly Kapic (https://kellykapic.com/) and my podcast interview with him. (https://open.spotify.com/episode/3HPnQtKUffXVGt2cjTrMZP?si=2l_--RAyTlKSYr-8ZaOnOA)
The Reverend James White (https://cokcc.org/leadership) who preached one of the most incredible sermons I've ever heard titled "A Misplaced Hallelujah". (https://soundcloud.com/covenantcollege/a-misplaced-hallelujah-rev-james-white)
Our friend Jay Finlayson and his podcast episode. (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0IJVf8H8ITAlXgRLzfdNCD?si=3VVc52_hSsKnrnYiF5FNbQ)
Our other friend Abby Horton and her podcast episode. (https://open.spotify.com/episode/6G5Oo3HZ2bLqQ7l2iR8I0K?si=lh30N_0ASHKW-WCaNV3Oyg)
Evan and I had the privilege of working together on a project for Four:One Journey. (https://fouronejourney.org/)
We mention a certification program called NFTC I we were both a part of with The Allender Center. (https://theallendercenter.org/)
9 Apr 2026
Be Human
It was enlightening to spend time chatting with Dr. Kelly Kapic about humility, suffering and how to be a lover of God by embracing finitude. We explore themes of psychology and theology finding their intersections in the Christian life. I felt encouraged and lighter after this conversation. I felt like many hard and heavy aspects of life are actually quite simple as I learn and grow to be like Jesus. Faithfully, imperfectly, and beautifully human.
Enjoy!
Resources:
A lot of books come up in this episode!
The Soul of Desire by Dr. Curt Thompson (https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Desire-Discovering-Neuroscience-Community/dp/1514002108/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0)
Find all of Kelly's books here as well as contact information for potential speaking gigs. (https://kellykapic.com/)
When Helping Hurts by Steve Corbet and Brian Fikkert (https://www.amazon.com/When-Helping-Hurts-Alleviate-Yourself/dp/0802409989/ref=sr_1_1?crid=RSBMH66GE4KG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.gyrNjKZadLXagA7tF9RURA0BC3k4xTpjL5crsyx3u58KEGmOwjcmri4xswDEYdMyb4SBn4MGfq2wmdzrP0M7QYJEOhoh7k_pkznvYZI9BF3H9gZxPuqYAV3GdKPooLy0Ei4CZgV87ZIarHMkqCaZhTRWsUtPmb9qYh1gRhJn-zlO5weEez5LD3caYgAAH7PnmOQkL5L0AEkJBQ2MIWgTpWC1tfEN2mv-hIlXaDC4Teo.Y62i_M0MWW4G72KxJb1mhMPGpuKT_OonMRB7XpoqZxM&dib_tag=se&keywords=when+helping+hurts&qid=1775777085&s=books&sprefix=when+helping+hurt%2Cstripbooks%2C146&sr=1-1)
Make Sense of Your Story by Adam Young (https://www.amazon.com/Make-Sense-Your-Story-Everything/dp/B0DW56GT9J/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1QCY42O1J7POB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.PteFqWEt4MRXYpUsh0crZ21DwTyooYueVYYt1uloW4d_4jRnlR6wmSanjSl3j6UvRM-GPiw-hD63vJHjKOACSGjiGjcubFrfgUnw-z7HuVuC77RuvpBoeNKZjFFyDgwQQqwBkr1aP-cVXCKX_RU92B2KyJi5311OPeC4AgaDyBdi_USqSvG5lnSD-uwL7dcrzXRF26JeeL3POp0Hg8DgouSSqBiuWsn8J7o0hQ1CRA0.fNFu3ysITnUb6aWvDVsiSI3ZBXWXJbwDOXz9wbsJ_Ew&dib_tag=se&keywords=adam+young+make+sense+of+your+story&qid=1775777179&s=books&sprefix=adam+young%2Cstripbooks%2C150&sr=1-1)
Kid's Say the Darnedest Things is the title of the episode with my kids. I couldn't remember what I titled it in while recording so here it is! (https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/leah1017/episodes/Kids-Say-the-Darnedest-Things-e2t7pdl)
Kelly mentions our mutual friend Dr. Scott Jones. (https://covenant.edu/academics/bible/faculty/jones.html)
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