Data’s messy, and we don’t sugarcoat it. We dig into real-world stories—FinOps, data platforms, streaming, governance—with people who’ve been there, screwed up, figured it out, and can still laugh about it. No buzzwords, no corporate cheerleading—just curious questions, practical insights, and the occasional bad joke.
Jovita Tam: Why Data Governance Is a Way of Thinking, Not a Tool You Purchase
Jovita Tam, data and AI advisor with a background in engineering, law, and finance, joined Yuliia and Dumke to challenge how organizations approach governance. Jovita argues that data governance is a way of thinking, not a tool you purchase, explaining why culture eats strategy and why most governance programs fail at the checkbox exercise. Jovita shares her approach to helping executives understand that governance should be an enabler, not an obstacle, and why treating it as purely compliance or cost center misses the point entirely.
Jovita's Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jovitatam/
27 Oct 2025
Adnan Hodzic: Building Enterprise AI at ING
Adnan Hodzic, Lead Engineer and GenAI Delivery Lead at ING, joined Yuliia how ING successfully scaled generative AI from experimentation to enterprise production. With over 60 GenAI applications now running in production across the bank, Adnan explains ING's pragmatic approach: building internal AI platforms that balance innovation speed with regulatory compliance, treating European banking regulations as features rather than constraints, and fostering a culture where 300+ experiments can safely run while only the best reach production.
He discusses the critical role of their Prompt Flow Studio in democratizing AI development, why customer success teams saw immediate productivity gains, how ING structures AI governance without killing innovation, and his perspective on the hype cycle versus real enterprise value.
Adnan's blog: https://foolcontrol.org [https://foolcontrol.org/]
Adnan's Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/AdnanHodzic
LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/AdnanHodzic
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/fooctrl
20 Oct 2025
Ryan Dolley: The Modern Data Stack Bundling Era
Ryan Dolley, VP of Product Strategy at GoodData and co-host of Super Data Brothers podcast, joined Yuliia and Dumke to discuss the DBT-Fivetran merger and what it signals about the modern data stack's consolidation phase. After 16 years in BI and analytics, Ryan explains why BI adoption has been stuck at 27% for a decade and why simply adding AI chatbots won't solve it. He argues that at large enterprises, purchasing new software is actually the only viable opportunity to change company culture - not because of the features, but because it forces operational pauses and new ways of working. Ryan shares his take that AI will struggle with BI because LLMs are trained to give emotionally satisfying answers rather than accurate ones.
Ryan Dolley linkedin [https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryandolley/]
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