Systemic

About Systemic

Systemic is an award-winning podcast that uses audio diaries and interviews to document the lives of people working to create change. In Season 3, the series dives deep into the lives of teenagers at risk of being incarcerated and the steps community leaders, police and legislators are taking to reduce youth gun crime. In Season 2, the show follows a diverse group of educators, students and parents during a school year in which debates around race and equity in public education reached a fever pitch. Season 1, produced in the wake of George Floyd's death and the ensuing protests, follows Black Americans working to reform policing from inside and outside the system.

Publisher

Colorado Public Radio

Category

society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

3 May 2021

Latest episode

25 Aug 2025

Latest episodes

4 of 15 episodes have a transcript.

1. 

   25 Aug 2025

   Legislate

   Davarie Armstrong was a high school student with a bright future ahead of him, but his life was tragically cut short. Teenagers at a party shot Davarie with several guns, including a semi-automatic high-powered rifle. How do we stop guns from getting into the hands of teenagers? Jason McBride puts pressure on Colorado legislators to make changes to punish social media platforms that sell guns online. Host, reporter and producer: Jo Erickson Producers: Stephanie Wolf and Shane Rumsey Editor: Rachel Estabrook Music: Daniel Mescher Executive producer: Kevin Dale Art: Jodi Gersh Thanks also to Hart van Denburg, Kevin J. Beaty, Shelby Filangi and Jon Pinnow

2. 

   18 Aug 2025TRANSCRIPT

   Bridge

   Aurora Police have a new strategy to help reduce youth gun crime. It partners a police force that’s been under the microscope for its treatment of Black and brown communities with leaders in those same communities to try to keep kids from turning to violence. SAVE, Standing Against Violence Everyday, is different from other policing methods. The intent is to keep individuals alive, safe and free. Aurora Police believe the old way of arresting and incarcerating teens wasn’t changing anything. It didn’t stop youths from joining gangs, nor stop innocent young people from being killed. Something needed to change. But does the Black community really believe the police can change? Jason McBride is left in a position where he straddles both sides of the fence. Host, reporter and producer: Jo Erickson Producers: Stephanie Wolf and Shane Rumsey Editor: Rachel Estabrook Music: Daniel Mescher Executive producer: Kevin Dale Art: Jodi Gersh Thanks also to Hart van Denburg, Kevin J. Beaty, Shelby Filangi and Jon Pinnow

3. 

   11 Aug 2025TRANSCRIPT

   Educate

   Sam Elfay was just 13 years old when he started skipping school. Somewhere along the way Elfay had lost interest. As soon as his father dropped him off at school he’d wait until his dad left, then skip class. Elfay’s appetite for more danger in his life grew. He started to break into houses and cars, stealing whatever he could get his hands on. Then one day he stole a gun from someone’s car. That changed everything. It led him into the Crips gang. Then he met Jason McBride, a youth violence crime prevention specialist who managed to convince Elfay to take a different path away from gun crime. Host, reporter and producer: Jo Erickson Producers: Stephanie Wolf and Shane Rumsey Editor: Rachel Estabrook Music: Daniel Mescher Executive producer: Kevin Dale Art: Jodi Gersh Thanks also to Hart van Denburg, Kevin J. Beaty, Shelby Filangi and Jon Pinnow

4. 

   5 Aug 2025TRANSCRIPT

   Season 3 Preview: Teens and guns

   Youth gun crime is rising and it disproportionately affects Black and brown people. This crime is often sidelined as a community problem, which dismisses the reasons young Black men get caught up in an environment of violence, crime and death. Systemic, hosted and reported by Jo Erickson, is back for Season 3, to tell the stories of those who fight injustice as they attempt to dismantle the status quo. This season, the series dives deep into the lives of teenagers at risk of being incarcerated and the steps community leaders, police and legislators are taking to reduce youth gun crime. The podcast returns August 11. Follow the show wherever you listen so you don’t miss an episode.

5. 

   6 Feb 2024TRANSCRIPT

   Overcoming Hate

   When it comes to prosecuting hate crimes, Colorado didn’t have a great track record until they amended Colorado’s bias-motivated crimes statute. In this bonus episode of Systemic, we look at how Melissa Hall, a Black parent who was racially abused while volunteering on school premises, tested this new amendment in court. Host and producer: Jo Erickson Producers: Rebekah Romberg, Kibwe Cooper, Emily Williams Theme music by Daniel Mescher. (Additional music via Universal Production Music.) Art: Maria Juliana Pinzón

6. 

   31 Jan 2023

   Dreams

   Leaders in Denver Public Schools acknowledge existing inequities in schools and are trying to address them. They recognize the lack of people of color in leadership positions has created policies that led to disparities between white students and students of color. To redress this problem, DPS created a leadership program. But while it solves some problems, it may create new ones. In this episode we follow educator Paulina Lerma as she attempts to break the glass ceiling to become a Latina principal. Host and producer: Jo Erickson Editor: Erin Jones Producers: Rebekah Romberg, Kibwe Cooper, Emily Williams Theme music by Daniel Mescher. (Additional music via Universal Production Music.) Art: Maria Juliana Pinzón Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Jenny Brundin, Rachel Estabrook, Sherkiya Wedgeworth-Hollowell, Luis Antonio Perez Thanks also to Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Arielle Wilson, Hart van Denburg.

7. 

   24 Jan 2023

   Tipping Point

   The number of Black teachers leaving the profession is rising. Kevin Adams is a social studies teacher working in Denver Public Schools. He’s very popular with students and parents, but struggles with microaggressions from his colleagues. Like many Black teachers, he thinks about quitting education. Why are Black teachers walking away? Kevin and his friend started a podcast to put a spotlight on the hard truths about why teachers of color are leaving the profession. In this episode we follow Kevin Adams as he navigates a stream of microaggressions. Host and producer: Jo Erickson Editor: Erin Jones Producers: Rebekah Romberg, Kibwe Cooper, Emily Williams Theme music by Daniel Mescher. (Additional music via Universal Production Music.) Art: Maria Juliana Pinzón Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Jenny Brundin, Rachel Estabrook, Sherkiya Wedgeworth-Hollowell, Luis Antonio Perez Thanks also to Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Arielle Wilson, Hart van Denburg.

8. 

   17 Jan 2023

   Safe Space

   The dramatic exit of the superintendent and changes to school equity policies is cause for concern for Naomi Lopez, a speech therapist in Colorado Springs School District 11. Lopez works with children in special education who require services from the equity department. Without the equity leadership team overseeing the work, she fears her students will miss vital resources that assist in their academic goals. Naomi’s problems grew when two board members expressed transphobic messages on social media, and she feared for the safety of her gender fluid child. We follow Naomi Lopez as she tries to steer the board toward equity policies while addressing her concerns that her gender-fluid child is a target because of the school board's anti-LGBTQ comments. Host and producer: Jo Erickson Editor: Erin Jones Producers: Rebekah Romberg, Kibwe Cooper, Emily Williams Theme music by Daniel Mescher. (Additional music via Universal Production Music.) Art: Maria Juliana Pinzón Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Jenny Brundin, Rachel Estabrook, Sherkiya Wedgeworth-Hollowell, Luis Antonio Perez Thanks also to Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Arielle Wilson, Hart van Denburg.

9. 

   10 Jan 2023

   No Equity, No Voice

   Racial tension has been building in Colorado Springs School District 11 for some time. School volunteer Melissa Hall was racially abused by a white parent in the school parking lot. But tension escalated when the superintendent abruptly resigned and a school board member made racial comments toward Black men who attended a school board meeting. In this episode we follow Melissa Hall, a Black parent, as she feels the full impact of withholding equity policies as a school volunteer and a mother of four kids. Host and producer: Jo Erickson Editor: Erin Jones Producers: Rebekah Romberg, Kibwe Cooper, Emily Williams Theme music by Daniel Mescher. (Additional music via Universal Production Music.) Art: Maria Juliana Pinzón Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Jenny Brundin, Rachel Estabrook, Sherkiya Wedgeworth-Hollowell, Luis Antonio Perez Thanks also to Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Arielle Wilson, Hart van Denburg.

10. 

    27 Dec 2022

    Season 2 Preview: Equity & Education

    Conversations about diversity, equity and inclusion found their way into schools, classrooms, and school board meetings over the past few years. But fixing an entire education system isn’t simple. Systemic, hosted and reported by Jo Erickson, is back for Season 2. This season, teachers, parents, students and administrators of color are asking hard questions about the American education system. What topics get to be included in the curriculum? How can educators make schools a place where every family feels like they belong? And how do we keep students safe? Systemic tells the stories of those who fight injustice as they attempt to dismantle the status quo. In each episode, you’ll hear from a person from a diverse community in Colorado trying to make a difference in education. In the audio diaries and interviews, you’ll hear their triumphs and struggles. And why they refuse to stand idly by and prop-up a broken system. The podcast returns January 10. Follow the show wherever you listen so you don’t miss an episode.

11. 

    9 Jun 2021

    Dismantle

    This spring, the nation held its breath as Derek Chauvin, the officer charged with murdering George Floyd, went on trial. Was the officer a single bad apple, or a symptom of a broken system? Nekima Levy-Armstrong is a former law professor who gave up her career to become a full-time activist. Since then, she’s spent the better part of a decade pushing for police reform, and played a pivotal role in the movement that followed Floyd’s death. In this year when rethinking law enforcement is at the center of a global conversation, Nekima is working to hold those in power accountable for change. Hosted and produced by Jo Erickson Editor: Dennis Funk Production and mixing: Rebekah Romberg Theme music by Daniel Mescher. Additional music via Firstcom. Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Luis Antonio Perez, Rachel Estabrook, Elena Rivera Thanks also to Kim Nguyen, Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Dave Burdick, John Mossman. SystemicPodcast.org (http://systemicpodcast.org/) On Twitter: @COPublicRadio

12. 

    2 Jun 2021

    Hard Truths

    On this episode, we follow an officer in leadership who’s working to reform policing from the top down. As director of public safety in the small community of Franklin Township, New Jersey, she’s taking a hard look at the diversity of her department, and addressing how officers interact with the community they serve. Hosted and produced by Jo Erickson Editor: Dennis Funk Production and mixing: Rebekah Romberg Theme music by Daniel Mescher. Additional music via Firstcom. Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Luis Antonio Perez, Rachel Estabrook, Elena Rivera Thanks also to Kim Nguyen, Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Dave Burdick, John Mossman. SystemicPodcast.org (http://systemicpodcast.org/) On Twitter: @COPublicRadio

13. 

    26 May 2021

    Survivor

    Against the backdrop of George Floyd’s death and nationwide Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, Colorado legislators won praise for swiftly passing an ambitious law meant to punish future abuses by police officers. But part of the genesis for that law began in 2019 amidst a different set of police protests after the death of a Black man in Colorado Springs. That moment left a grieving family searching for answers in a complicated and frustrating legal system. Hosted and produced by Jo Erickson Editor: Dennis Funk Production and mixing: Rebekah Romberg Theme music by Daniel Mescher. Additional music via Firstcom. Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Luis Antonio Perez, Rachel Estabrook, Elena Rivera Thanks also to Kim Nguyen, Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Dave Burdick, John Mossman. SystemicPodcast.org (http://systemicpodcast.org/) On Twitter: @COPublicRadio

14. 

    19 May 2021

    Black and Blue

    Meet two Black police officers — a young officer in the Minneapolis suburbs and a veteran sheriff's deputy in Colorado Springs — working to protect their communities. In the wake of George Floyd's death and the nationwide protests that followed, these two women offer a glimpse of what it's like to serve in law enforcement at a time when policing itself is under fire. They also speak frankly about how their jobs and their identities sometimes come into conflict. Hosted and produced by Jo Erickson Editor: Dennis Funk Production and mixing: Rebekah Romberg Theme music by Daniel Mescher. Additional music via Firstcom. Executive producers: Brad Turner, Kevin Dale Additional editorial support: Luis Antonio Perez, Rachel Estabrook, Elena Rivera Thanks also to Kim Nguyen, Jodi Gersh, Clara Shelton, Mia Rincón, Dave Burdick, John Mossman. SystemicPodcast.org (http://systemicpodcast.org/) On Twitter: @COPublicRadio

15. 

    3 May 2021

    Introducing Systemic: A Show About Reform

    Since the death of George Floyd in 2020, America has been searching its soul over questions of racial injustice. Many people are looking for solutions to change a police culture that disproportionately harms people of color. They’re asking hard questions about what should be done to reform law enforcement. To capture this defining moment, we followed a group of people across the U.S., working to change police departments from the outside and within. Systemic — hosted and produced by Jo Erickson — is built on a unique collection of audio diaries and interviews gathered over the past year. You’ll hear the voices of Black police officers and activists from Colorado, Minnesota and beyond. For them, silence is not an option. The four-part audio documentary from Colorado Public Radio (On Something, Since Columbine, Back From Broken) launches May 19.

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Published 18 Aug 2025 · Transcript excerpt

[…] The tenant and bun gutsy managed major crime investigations for non -fatal shootings. She's seen a lot of them. My entire career has been focused on arrest and incarceration throughout my entire career. I believe that there is a chance for the police department and the community to work together. […]

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