Welcome to TAB Presents: The Leadership Exchange, a podcast from The Alternative Board (TAB) where experienced business leaders chat about the real challenges of leadership, strategy, and building resilient companies. Hosted by TAB President and CEO Jason Zickerman, each episode features practical insights, bold perspectives, and honest dialogue designed to help you lead more confidently and make smarter decisions for your business. As featured in USA Today: bit.ly/TABinthenews
Ron Friedman on What the Best Teams Do Differently
High performing teams are not built on longer hours, better collaboration, or good chemistry. According to Ron Friedman's research, what actually sets the best teams apart is something most leaders are not paying attention to.
In this episode of The Leadership Exchange, Jason Zickerman sits down with Ron Friedman, award-winning social psychologist and bestselling author of Superteams. Together they dig into what elite teams actually do differently. Why managing energy matters more than logging hours, how genuine friendship at work drives performance, and why feeling like the smartest person in the room is actually a warning sign.
Building a great team is not about finding the right people and hoping for the best. It is about designing the conditions that bring out the best in everyone.
31 Aug 2026
Michael Fletcher on What They Don't Tell You About Entrepreneurship
Five decades of building companies, two exits worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and a lot of hard lessons in between.
Michael Fletcher is a serial entrepreneur and co-founder of Pivot Oasis who has spent his career founding, buying, building and selling companies. In this conversation with host Jason Zickerman, Michael pulls back the curtain on what building a business actually looks like — the capitalization mistakes, the partner decisions that can make or break you, and what it really means to lose control of something you built and come back stronger.
He also talks about the mentors who changed everything, why surrounding yourself with the right people is one of the few things in entrepreneurship completely within your control, and what it took to build a successful business without losing his family along the way.
27 Jul 2026
Nir Eyal on the Beliefs That Are Quietly Running Your Business
Most entrepreneurs focus on strategy, capital, and execution. Nir Eyal would say the real obstacle is something far less visible.
In this episode of The Leadership Exchange, Jason Zickerman sits down with Nir Eyal, a New York Times bestselling author and one of the most influential voices in behavioral science today. His newest book, Beyond Belief, is a jumping off point for a conversation about how the beliefs we hold about ourselves shape every decision we make, every risk we take, and every version of success we allow ourselves to pursue.
Nir shares the science behind limiting beliefs, where they come from and why they are so hard to see. He walks through the practical process for identifying and shifting a belief that is holding you back, and why everything changes when you realize that beliefs are tools, not truths.
What you believe about yourself is shaping your business whether you know it or not. This conversation is about finally seeing it clearly.
30 Jun 2026
Payal Beri on Human Connection in the Age of AI
As technology becomes more capable of doing what we do, what becomes more valuable about who we are?
In this episode of The Leadership Exchange, Jason Zickerman sits down with Dr. Payal Beri, organizational psychologist and founder of RK Empathy, to explore what she calls the relationship economy. Trusted by organizations including NASA and Google, Dr. Beri has spent her career proving that human connection is not soft science, it is strategy.
Jason and Dr. Beri dig into the paradox at the center of this moment: rather than replacing human connection, AI may actually be deepening our hunger for it. They talk about what it means to use AI as a tool rather than a replacement, why efficiency and genuine connection are often at odds, and how intentional community can help leaders navigate disruption without facing it alone.
In a world that is moving faster than ever, the most powerful thing you can do may be to slow down long enough to truly connect.
27 Apr 2026
Andy Bounds on Selling What People Actually Want
Most sales conversations focus on the wrong thing — and Andy Bounds has spent his career proving it.
In this episode of The Leadership Exchange, Jason Zickerman sits down with Andy Bounds, bestselling author and one of the UK's most sought-after sales and communication experts, to explore a deceptively simple question: are you leading with what you do, or with what your client actually gets after working with you?
Andy shares his AFTERS framework, the philosophy that has transformed how thousands of leaders communicate and sell. He and Jason dig into how to apply it in live conversations and in writing, how to prove you can deliver on your promises, and why referrals done intentionally are the most powerful growth tool a business owner has.
This is about more than selling. It's about having conversations that actually connect.
16 Mar 2026
John Warrillow on Building Value and the Rise of ETA Buyers
John Warrillow is the founder of The Value Builder System™ and has spent his career helping business owners grow companies worth buying.
In this episode, John and host Jason Zickerman discuss the rise of Entrepreneurship Through Acquisition (ETA), a trend where young entrepreneurs are approaching owners directly to buy their businesses. John breaks down what makes these buyers different, how to prepare for them, and why building value should start long before you're ready to sell. He also shares early patterns from his research on AI adoption among business owners, and what those trends may reveal about adaptability and leadership.
This is about preparation, not panic. And it starts with understanding what makes your company worth buying.
5 Jan 2026
John Dini on Building a Business You Can Leave
Exit planning isn’t about retirement, it’s about leadership.
In this episode of The Leadership Exchange, Jason Zickerman talks with John Dini, exit planning expert and long-time TAB member, about why leaders should “begin with the end in mind” from day one. John shares how thinking like a future buyer sharpens decision-making, increases enterprise value, and prepares both the business and the owner for what’s next.
This conversation challenges owners to stop postponing the inevitable and start leading with intention. For today, and for the eventual handoff.
26 Nov 2025
Leanne Monaghan on Self-Advocacy, Healing and Ownership
Leanne Monaghan is a wellness leader, entrepreneur and coach whose journey from bankruptcy and life-altering cancer diagnosis to empowered heath advocate has shaped her mission: helping people become the CEO of their own health.
Leanne shares with us the pivotal moment that forced her to reclaim control of her wellbeing and the two decade path that followed. Her story includes deep self-education, collaboration with medical and holistic practitioners, and commitment to understanding how the body truly heals. From navigating gaps in the healthcare system to building a multidisciplinary approach to wellness, she offers a powerful perspective on resilience, self-advocacy and what it really means to thrive. Her story reminds us that leading yourself and taking ownership of your health and mind is the foundation for leading others.
25 Nov 2025
Matt Montellione on The Future of Finance
Matt Montellione is a seasoned entrepreneur and professional speaker with expertise cryptocurrency, B2B marketing, and decentralized finance (DeFi). With over a decade of entrepreneurial experience and investing in cryptocurrency, Matt recognized early on the transformative potential of digital assets for small businesses.
From launching successful ventures to pioneering the use of crypto and DeFi in everyday business, Matt shares the lessons, risks, and breakthroughs that shaped his journey. He dives into how innovative financial tools can open doors, challenge traditional thinking, and give leaders a bold edge in a rapidly changing world.
28 Aug 2025
Jim Liptrot on Purpose, People and Resilience
In this episode of The Leadership Exchange, host Jason Zickerman, CEO of The Alternative Board (TAB), welcomes Jim Liptrot, a purpose-driven leader whose career spans engineering, education, and executive leadership.
Jim’s story is one of resilience, reinvention, and leading with heart. From rebuilding a struggling business to guiding organizations that serve youth outside of traditional education systems, Jim has always believed that people — not products or profits — are what make a company truly great.
This conversation dives deep into what it means to lead with values, stay grounded during periods of rapid change, and build culture through small, often-overlooked human moments. Jim shares personal experiences of taking career risks to pursue meaningful work, mentoring emerging leaders, and the impact of surrounding yourself with people who align with your purpose.
28 Aug 2025
Roey Diefendorf on Legacy, Leadership, and Reinvention
In this premiere episode of The Leadership Exchange, host Jason Zickerman, CEO of The Alternative Board (TAB), sits down with Roey Diefendorf — a legacy-driven entrepreneur, educator, and innovator with over 50 years of experience guiding families and business leaders toward “more than money” wealth.
Roey’s journey spans a 150-year-old family business, multiple reinventions, and a powerful personal mission to create meaningful impact across generations. As a founding member of More Than Money 360 and a passionate non-profit leader, Roey shares candid lessons from his decades of leadership — including navigating generational transitions, finding the courage to transform a traditional business, and the importance of mentorship in shaping a lasting legacy.
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