talich 闲侃

About talich 闲侃

有闲就聊，无闲就不聊，关注美国流行文化史。IPN 出品。若您在中国区 iTunes/Podcasts 搜不到本节目，可移步网易云音乐订阅收听： https://music.163.com/#/djradio?id=793335448 《talich 闲侃》网址：https://talich.fm

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IPN

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arts · business · music

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zh

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No

First episode

19 Jan 2019

Latest episode

18 May 2026

Latest episodes

27 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   18 May 2026

   EP 27: 评《民谣流域》，兼谈摇滚精神

   收到史文华老兄寄来的重磅增订版《民谣流域》，花了两月断断续续读完，做个书评，顺便聊聊书里没谈到的地方。 《talich 闲侃》，有闲得聊，关注美国流行文化史，网址：https://talich.fm (https://talich.fm) 时间轴 00:03:55 (#t=00:03:55) 这本书的核心观念：让摇滚伟大的民谣美学和摇滚精神 00:18:00 (#t=00:18:00) 关于核心演进逻辑，对旧版的修正 00:19:56 (#t=00:19:56) 批评一：关于二战期间唱片生产的断代 00:23:59 (#t=00:23:59) 批评二：关于埃弗利兄弟 00:27:03 (#t=00:27:03) 批评三：两个翻译问题 00:29:17 (#t=00:29:17) 民谣和商业作品的共生关系 00:35:04 (#t=00:35:04) 关于犹太音乐对美国流行音乐的影响 00:43:12 (#t=00:43:12) 老一代的音乐艺术的评价标准 00:47:50 (#t=00:47:50) 摇滚需要新的审美标准 00:56:56 (#t=00:56:56) 摇滚精神和战后一代美国年轻人的身份焦虑 01:03:14 (#t=01:03:14) 原唱权威性概念的出现 01:05:06 (#t=01:05:06) 早期的摇滚乐评人和他们的主要观点：Jon Landau，Robert Christgau，Lester Bangs，Greil Marcus，Dave Marsh 01:19:27 (#t=01:19:27) Ned Rorem 评披头士 01:26:09 (#t=01:26:09) Jon Landau 评斯普林斯汀 01:34:47 (#t=01:34:47) 摇滚精神开始落后于时代 01:41:08 (#t=01:41:08) 摇滚精神被滥用 01:44:51 (#t=01:44:51) 摇滚研究的历史和角度 01:53:56 (#t=01:53:56) 经典摇滚叙事的问题 02:03:47 (#t=02:03:47) 解释摇滚音乐出现的多个角度 02:06:30 (#t=02:06:30) 关于音乐演进的欧美中心制视角 02:16:48 (#t=02:16:48) 去中心化的全球音乐演进 02:36:03 (#t=02:36:03) 国际政治和波萨诺瓦 相关链接 谈到的书（并没有都读过）： 李皖/史文华. (1998）. 民谣流域：流行音乐的流派和演变之一 (https://book.douban.com/subject/1010515/)，中国社会科学出版社. 李皖. (2006). 民谣流域 (https://book.douban.com/subject/2367265/), 江苏人民出版社. 李皖/史文华. (2026). 民谣流域：流行音乐的起源和全球演进 (https://book.douban.com/subject/37891798/), 金城出版社 / 西苑出版社. Paul Zollo, Behind The Song: “God Bless America” by Irving Berlin (https://americansongwriter.com/god-bless-america-behind-the-song/), American Songwriter, 2021 Jewface: "Yiddish" Dialect Songs of Tin Pan Alley (https://www.yivo.org/jewface), YIVO Institute for Jewish Research The 150 greatest Jewish pop songs of all time (https://forward.com/culture/music/480978/the-greatest-jewish-pop-songs-bob-dylan-haim-leonard-cohen-lou-reed/), Forward, 2022 Sidran, B. (2021). There was a fire: Jews, music and the American dream (Revised and Updated) (https://bensidran.com/writing/there-was-a-fire). Nardis Books. (2011). Song Is Not the Same: Jews and American Popular Music (https://muse.jhu.edu/book/103253). Purdue University Press. William Mann, What Songs The Beatles Sang (https://www.beatlesbible.com/1963/12/27/the-times-what-songs-the-beatles-sang-by-william-mann/), The Times, 27 December 1963 Marcus, G. Mystery train: images of America in rock 'n' roll music. 50th Anniversary Edition (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/790829/mystery-train-50th-anniversary-edition-by-greil-marcus/): 2025, Plume. 中文版(从英文 1990 第三版翻译) (https://book.douban.com/subject/4057097/), 2009, 南京大学出版社. Marsh, D. (1979). Born to run : the Bruce Springsteen story (https://archive.org/details/borntorunbrucesp0000mars/page/2/mode/2up), Dolphin Books Marsh, D. & Bernard, J. (1994). The New book of rock lists (https://parents.simonandschuster.com/9780671787004), Touchstone. Ned Rorem, The Music of the Beatles, The New York Review, 1968, (后更名为 America and the Beatles (https://thelondonmagazine.org/review-america-and-the-beatles-by-ned-rorem/)，转载于 The London Magazine) Jon Landau, Growing young with Rock and Roll (https://www.brucespringsteen.it/Other/real.htm), The Real Paper, 1974 Miller, J. (1976). The Rolling Stone illustrated history of rock & roll (https://archive.org/details/rollingstoneillu0000unse_h5e3), Rolling Stone Press. Miller, J. (1999). Flowers in the dustbin: the rise of rock and roll, 1947-1977 (https://archive.org/details/flowersindustbin00mill). Simon & Schuster. Chapple, S. & Garofalo, R. (1977). Rock 'n' roll is here to pay: the history and politics of the music industry (https://archive.org/details/rocknrollisheret0000chap). Nelson-Hall. Reebee Garofalo, The Genealogy of Pop/Rock Music (https://reebee.net/rock-genealogy), updated 2016 Reebee Garofalo, Pop Waves (https://reebee.net/pop-waves), 2015 Frith, S. (1981). Sound effects: youth, leisure, and the politics of rock'n'roll (https://archive.org/details/soundeffectsyout00frit). Pantheon Books. Guralnick, P. (1994). Last train to Memphis: the rise of Elvis Presley (https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/peter-guralnick/last-train-to-memphis/9780316332255/). Little, Brown, and Co.. Ennis, P. H. (1992). The seventh stream: the emergence of rocknroll in American popular music (https://www.weslpress.org/9780819562579/the-seventh-stream/). Wesleyan University Press. Everett, W. (2009). The foundations of rock: from Blue suede shoes to Suite : Judy blue eyes (https://academic.oup.com/book/49249). Oxford University Press. Peterson R. A. Why 1955? Explaining the advent of rock music (https://doi.org/10.1017/S0261143000003767). Popular Music. 1990;9(1):97-116. Peterson, R. A. (1997). Creating country music: fabricating authenticity (https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo3625068.html). Chicago: University of Chicago Press. 中文版 (https://book.douban.com/subject/27091133/). Denning, M. (2015). Noise uprising: the audiopolitics of a world musical revolution (https://www.versobooks.com/products/83-noise-uprising). Verso. Music: A Rose Is a Rose ... (https://time.com/archive/6868334/music-a-rose-is-a-rose/), TIME, May 13, 1951 Rose, Rose I Love You: The Story Of One Of China’s Greatest Hits (https://chrisfujita.wordpress.com/2015/06/27/rose-rose-i-love-you-the-story-of-one-of-chinas-greatest-hits/), Barbarian Subject, June 27, 2015 黄奇智 (2000). 时代曲的流光岁月 1930-1970 (https://book.douban.com/subject/2567292/). 三联书店（香港）有限公司. Attali, J. (1985). Noise: the political economy of music (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise:_The_Political_Economy_of_Music). Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. 中文版 (https://book.douban.com/subject/1469342/) 相关录音： Nebraska (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCpL_ImsiDo), Bruce Springsteen 词曲奏唱, 1982, Columbia Pistol Packin’ Mama (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwsJDFgBO9k), Al Dexter 词曲，Al Dexter 演唱，Al Dexter and His Troopers 伴奏，1943，OKeh Bye Bye Love (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRyrWN-fftE), Felice & Boudleaux Bryant 词曲，the Everly Brothers 唱奏，1957，Cadence Old Folks at Home (Swanee River) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvE0Um3bRk), Stephen Foster 词曲，Grant Williams/The Robert Shaw Chorale/Robert Shaw 演唱，1959，RCA Victor God Bless America (https://youtu.be/QGMHnNqAjrI)，Irvin Berlin 词曲，Kate Smith 演唱，Jack Miller 指挥乐队和合唱队，1939，Victor When Mose with His Nose Leads the Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_9PApxCI8)，Bert Fitzgibbon 词，Jack Drislane/Theodore Morse 曲，Arthur Collins/Byron G. Harlan 演唱，1906，Victor Back in the USA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwg8M5B1jH4), Chuck Berry 词曲，MC5 唱奏，1970，Atlantic Born to Run (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4_zVxmufY), Bruce Springsteen 词曲，Bruce Springseen/Ernest "Boom" Carter/Clarence Clemons/Danny Federici/David Sancious/Garry Tallent 演奏，1975，Columbia Like a Rolling Stone (https://youtu.be/syNLBJ_Lq9E)，Bob Dylan 词曲，Bob Dylan/Michael Bloomfield/Al Kooper/Frank Owens/Joseph Macho Jr./Bobby Gregg/Bruce Langhorne 演奏，1965，Columbia Angel Baby (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62i4-WAHePc), Rosie Hamlin 词曲，Rosie and the Originals 唱奏，1960，Highland Records Hound Dog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eHJ12Vhpyc), Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller 词曲，Elvis Presley 演唱，1956，RCA 毛毛雨 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVsZ5DVXL1k), 黎錦暉 词曲，黎明暉 演唱，黎锦晖指挥明月音乐会伴奏，1928，百代唱片 毛毛雨 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imgF8vnZnbU), 黎錦暉 词曲，黎明暉 演唱，百代西乐队伴奏，1932，百代唱片 Rose Rose I Love You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV4aVmkCWv0)，Wilfrid Thomas 英文歌词，陈歌辛 作曲，Paul Weston 编曲，Frankie Laine 演唱，The Norman Luboff Choir/Paul Weston & his Orch./C Fischer 伴奏，1951，Columbia Rose Rose I Love You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HisbavQg7zo)，吴村作词，陈歌辛作曲，姚莉 演唱，1940，上海百代 May Kway (Rose Rose I Love You) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MvgAWG13Mo)，John Turner 英文歌词，陈歌辛 作曲，Petula Clark 演唱，Frank Chacksfield and His Orchestra 伴奏，1951，Polygon Rose Rose I Love You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HisbavQg7zo)，吴村作词，陈歌辛作曲，姚莉 演唱，Ian Widgery Remix，2006，香港百代

2. 

   14 Feb 2026

   EP 26: 寻找正宗的蓝调（「寻找正宗的蓝调」系列之八）

   蓝调一开始只是一种从 Ragtime 发展而来的商业流行乐。但是为了让蓝调成为黑人艺人为黑人表演的音乐，蓝调开始被定义成黑人民歌。这个定义在被唱片公司接受后，反过来也影响了大众对正宗蓝调的认知。 《talich 闲侃》，有闲得聊，关注美国流行文化史，网址：https://talich.fm (https://talich.fm) 相关链接 ###主要参考文献 African American Song (https://www.loc.gov/collections/songs-of-america/Larticles-and-essays/musical-styles/ethnic/african-american-song/)，The Library of Congress Celebrates the Songs of America Dunkel, M. (2015). W. C. Handy, Abbe Niles, and (Auto)biographical Positioning in the Whiteman Era (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03007766.2014.994320). Popular Music and Society, 38(2), 122–139. Brooks, T. & Spottswood, R. K. (2004). Lost sounds: blacks and the birth of the recording industry, 1890-1919 (https://archive.org/details/lostsoundsblacks0000broo_a6i3). Urbana: University of Illinois Press. Gussow, A. (2018).W. C. Handy and the “Birth” of the Blues (https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554512). Southern Cultures, 24(4), 42–68. Scarborough, D. (1923). The ‘Blues’ as Folk‐songs (https://sacred-texts.com/ame/cig/cig12.htm), Texas Folklore Society Publications 2 (1923), 52–66. Handy, W.C. & Niles, A. (1926). Blues: An anthology. Complete Words and Music of 53 great songs (https://archive.org/details/bluesanthology0000unse). New York: Collier Books. ###相关录音 Jim Jackson's Kansas City Blues - Pt. 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GOe70RGi1o)，Jim Jackson 词曲演唱，1927，Vocalion Barrel House Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_xRdpkxno)，Ed Andrews 词曲/唱奏，1924，Okeh Home on the Range (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OugQnvPZxLk)，Daniel E. Kelley 曲，Brewster M. Higley 词，Peter Seeger 演唱，1957，Folkways Laughin' and Cryin' Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_vkuV6DlDw)，Allen Brothers 唱奏，1928，Columbia

3. 

   22 Dec 2025

   EP 25: 蓝调天后和唱片时代（「寻找正宗的蓝调」系列之七）

   蓝调诞生的年代，正好也是唱片刚刚成形的年代。唱片中记录的蓝调，很大程度上塑造了我们对当年的蓝调的理解。在 1920 年代，城市蓝调女歌手，也就是蓝调天后，成为了蓝调的代名词。在这期播客里，我们来聊聊这个现像是如何出现的，以及背后推动它成形的商业模式。 《talich 闲侃》，有闲得聊，关注美国流行文化史，网址：https://talich.fm (https://talich.fm) 相关链接 主要参考文献 Abbott, L. & Seroff, D. (2017). The original blues: the emergence of the blues in African American vaudeville (https://www.upress.state.ms.us/Books/T/The-Original-Blues). University Press of Mississippi. Ed Komara, “Crazy Blues”—Mamie Smith (1920) (https://www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-recording-preservation-board/documents/CrazyBlues.pdf) Miller, K. H. (2010). Segregating sound: inventing folk and pop music in the age of Jim Crow (https://www.dukeupress.edu/segregating-sound). Durham: Duke University Press. Krasner, D. (2002). A beautiful pageant: African American theatre, drama, and performance in the Harlem Renaissance, 1910-1927 (https://archive.org/details/beautifulpageant0000kras) (1st ed). New York: Palgrave Macmillan. Wald, E. (2010). The blues: a very short introduction (https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-blues-9780195398939). New York: Oxford University Press. David Suisman, Co-workers in the Kingdom of Culture: Black Swan Records and the Political Economy of African American Music (archive.oah.org/special-issues/teaching/2004_03/article.pdf), Journal of American History, Volume 90, Issue 4, March 2004, Pages 1295–1324 Jitu K. Weusi, The Rise and Fall of Black Swan Records (https://syncopatedtimes.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-black-swan-records/), The Syncopated Times Ward, B., & Huber, P. (2018). A&R Pioneers: Architects of American Roots Music on Record (https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv1675b9g). Vanderbilt University Press. 相关录音 St. Louis Tickle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SjFJTpKwyg)，Theron Catlen Bennett 作曲，Dave Van Ronk 演奏，1920，Victor Livery Stable Blues (https://youtu.be/So-iDJiKMHQ)，Ray Lopez/Alcide Nunez 作曲，Original Dixieland Jazz Band 演奏，1917，Victor St. Louis Tickle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voO4G8gUK2g)，Theron Catlen Bennett 作曲，Plantation Trio 演奏，1920，Victor A To Z Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI49DEvohp8)，Butterbeans/Ray Arthur 词曲，Butterbeans & Susie 演唱，Clarence Willams 钢琴，1924，Okeh A Married Man's A Fool (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5Y3eSgGOk)，Blind Willie McTell 词曲，Ry Cooder 等演奏，1974，Reprise A Married Man's a Fool (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng51Iq79oCY)，Eddie Green/Jadie Edwards 词曲，Blind Willie McTell 唱奏，1956，Prestige Bluesville(1961) A Good Man Is Hard To Find (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgRUeajuFT4)，Eddie Green 词曲，Marion Davis 演唱，1919，Victor A Good Man Is Hard To Find (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgRUeajuFT4)，Eddie Green 词曲，Bessie Smith/Lincoln Conaway/Porter Grainger Porter Grainger 唱奏，1927，Columbia St. Louis Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ5f-pPDISg)，W.C. Handy 词曲，Al Bernard 演唱，Original Dixieland Jazz Band 演奏，1921，Victor That Thing Called Love (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSpEflGHb0)，Perry Bradford 词曲，Mamie Smith 演唱，1920，Okeh Crazy Blues (https://youtu.be/obcgt_zGCfg)，Perry Bradford 词曲，Mamie Smith and Her Jazz Hounds 唱奏，1920，OKeh Down Home Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1dxfgH9HwA)，Tom Delaney 词曲，Ethel Waters 演唱，Cordy Williams' Jazz Masters 伴奏，1921，Black Swan My Man Rocks Me (With One Steady Roll) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUZKfxlWtvY)，J. Berni Barbour 词曲，Trixie Smith and The Jazz Masters 唱奏，1922，Black Swan Down Hearted Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ob_sW2_2Zw)，Lovie Austin 作曲, Alberta Hunter 作词，Bessie Smith 演唱，Clarence Willams 钢琴，1923，Columbia A Fiddler's Convention in Georgia, Pt. 2 (hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUA1qwj7yc)，Clayton McMichen/Gid Tanner/Riley Puckett/Bob Nichols/Fate Norris/Bert Layne 演奏，1927，Columbia Guitar Rag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2vazcmw8I)，Sara Martin/Sylvester Weaver 作曲，Sylvester Weaver 演奏，1927，Okeh Barrel House Blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_xRdpkxno)，Ed Andrews 词曲/唱奏，1924，Okeh

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