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EP 27: 评《民谣流域》，兼谈摇滚精神
<p>收到史文华老兄寄来的重磅增订版《民谣流域》，花了两月断断续续读完，做个书评，顺便聊聊书里没谈到的地方。</p> <p>《talich 闲侃》，有闲得聊，关注美国流行文化史，网址：<a href="https://talich.fm">https://talich.fm</a></p> <h2>时间轴</h2> <p><a href="#t=00:03:55">00:03:55</a> 这本书的核心观念：让摇滚伟大的民谣美学和摇滚精神</p> <p><a href="#t=00:18:00">00:18:00</a> 关于核心演进逻辑，对旧版的修正</p> <p><a href="#t=00:19:56">00:19:56</a> 批评一：关于二战期间唱片生产的断代</p> <p><a href="#t=00:23:59">00:23:59</a> 批评二：关于埃弗利兄弟</p> <p><a href="#t=00:27:03">00:27:03</a> 批评三：两个翻译问题</p> <p><a href="#t=00:29:17">00:29:17</a> 民谣和商业作品的共生关系</p> <p><a href="#t=00:35:04">00:35:04</a> 关于犹太音乐对美国流行音乐的影响</p> <p><a href="#t=00:43:12">00:43:12</a> 老一代的音乐艺术的评价标准</p> <p><a href="#t=00:47:50">00:47:50</a> 摇滚需要新的审美标准</p> <p><a href="#t=00:56:56">00:56:56</a> 摇滚精神和战后一代美国年轻人的身份焦虑</p> <p><a href="#t=01:03:14">01:03:14</a> 原唱权威性概念的出现</p> <p><a href="#t=01:05:06">01:05:06</a> 早期的摇滚乐评人和他们的主要观点：Jon Landau，Robert Christgau，Lester Bangs，Greil Marcus，Dave Marsh</p> <p><a href="#t=01:19:27">01:19:27</a> Ned Rorem 评披头士</p> <p><a href="#t=01:26:09">01:26:09</a> Jon Landau 评斯普林斯汀</p> <p><a href="#t=01:34:47">01:34:47</a> 摇滚精神开始落后于时代</p> <p><a href="#t=01:41:08">01:41:08</a> 摇滚精神被滥用</p> <p><a href="#t=01:44:51">01:44:51</a> 摇滚研究的历史和角度</p> <p><a href="#t=01:53:56">01:53:56</a> 经典摇滚叙事的问题</p> <p><a href="#t=02:03:47">02:03:47</a> 解释摇滚音乐出现的多个角度</p> <p><a href="#t=02:06:30">02:06:30</a> 关于音乐演进的欧美中心制视角</p> <p><a href="#t=02:16:48">02:16:48</a> 去中心化的全球音乐演进</p> <p><a href="#t=02:36:03">02:36:03</a> 国际政治和波萨诺瓦</p> <h2>相关链接</h2> <p>谈到的书（并没有都读过）：</p> <p>李皖/史文华. (1998）. <a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/1010515/">民谣流域：流行音乐的流派和演变之一</a>，中国社会科学出版社.</p> <p>李皖. (2006). <a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/2367265/">民谣流域</a>, 江苏人民出版社.</p> <p>李皖/史文华. (2026). <a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/37891798/">民谣流域：流行音乐的起源和全球演进</a>, 金城出版社 / 西苑出版社.</p> <p>Paul Zollo, <a href="https://americansongwriter.com/god-bless-america-behind-the-song/">Behind The Song: “God Bless America” by Irving Berlin</a>, American Songwriter, 2021</p> <p><a href="https://www.yivo.org/jewface">Jewface: "Yiddish" Dialect Songs of Tin Pan Alley</a>, YIVO Institute for Jewish Research</p> <p><a href="https://forward.com/culture/music/480978/the-greatest-jewish-pop-songs-bob-dylan-haim-leonard-cohen-lou-reed/">The 150 greatest Jewish pop songs of all time</a>, Forward, 2022</p> <p>Sidran, B. (2021). <a href="https://bensidran.com/writing/there-was-a-fire">There was a fire: Jews, music and the American dream (Revised and Updated)</a>. Nardis Books.</p> <p>(2011). <a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/book/103253">Song Is Not the Same: Jews and American Popular Music</a>. Purdue University Press.</p> <p>William Mann, <a href="https://www.beatlesbible.com/1963/12/27/the-times-what-songs-the-beatles-sang-by-william-mann/">What Songs The Beatles Sang</a>, The Times, 27 December 1963</p> <p>Marcus, G. Mystery train: images of America in rock 'n' roll music. <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/790829/mystery-train-50th-anniversary-edition-by-greil-marcus/">50th Anniversary Edition</a>: 2025, Plume. <a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/4057097/">中文版(从英文 1990 第三版翻译)</a>, 2009, 南京大学出版社.</p> <p>Marsh, D. (1979). <a href="https://archive.org/details/borntorunbrucesp0000mars/page/2/mode/2up">Born to run : the Bruce Springsteen story</a>, Dolphin Books</p> <p>Marsh, D. & Bernard, J. (1994). <a href="https://parents.simonandschuster.com/9780671787004">The New book of rock lists</a>, Touchstone.</p> <p>Ned Rorem, The Music of the Beatles, The New York Review, 1968, (后更名为 <a href="https://thelondonmagazine.org/review-america-and-the-beatles-by-ned-rorem/">America and the Beatles</a>，转载于 The London Magazine)</p> <p>Jon Landau, <a href="https://www.brucespringsteen.it/Other/real.htm">Growing young with Rock and Roll</a>, The Real Paper, 1974</p> <p>Miller, J. (1976). <a href="https://archive.org/details/rollingstoneillu0000unse_h5e3">The Rolling Stone illustrated history of rock & roll</a>, Rolling Stone Press.</p> <p>Miller, J. (1999). <a href="https://archive.org/details/flowersindustbin00mill">Flowers in the dustbin: the rise of rock and roll, 1947-1977</a>. Simon & Schuster.</p> <p>Chapple, S. & Garofalo, R. (1977). <a href="https://archive.org/details/rocknrollisheret0000chap">Rock 'n' roll is here to pay: the history and politics of the music industry</a>. Nelson-Hall.</p> <p>Reebee Garofalo, <a href="https://reebee.net/rock-genealogy">The Genealogy of Pop/Rock Music</a>, updated 2016</p> <p>Reebee Garofalo, <a href="https://reebee.net/pop-waves">Pop Waves</a>, 2015</p> <p>Frith, S. (1981). <a href="https://archive.org/details/soundeffectsyout00frit">Sound effects: youth, leisure, and the politics of rock'n'roll</a>. Pantheon Books.</p> <p>Guralnick, P. (1994). <a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/peter-guralnick/last-train-to-memphis/9780316332255/">Last train to Memphis: the rise of Elvis Presley</a>. Little, Brown, and Co..</p> <p>Ennis, P. H. (1992). <a href="https://www.weslpress.org/9780819562579/the-seventh-stream/">The seventh stream: the emergence of rocknroll in American popular music</a>. Wesleyan University Press.</p> <p>Everett, W. (2009). <a href="https://academic.oup.com/book/49249">The foundations of rock: from Blue suede shoes to Suite : Judy blue eyes</a>. Oxford University Press.</p> <p>Peterson R. A. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1017/S0261143000003767">Why 1955? Explaining the advent of rock music</a>. Popular Music. 1990;9(1):97-116.</p> <p>Peterson, R. A. (1997). <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo3625068.html">Creating country music: fabricating authenticity</a>. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. <a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/27091133/">中文版</a>.</p> <p>Denning, M. (2015). <a href="https://www.versobooks.com/products/83-noise-uprising">Noise uprising: the audiopolitics of a world musical revolution</a>. Verso.</p> <p><a href="https://time.com/archive/6868334/music-a-rose-is-a-rose/">Music: A Rose Is a Rose ...</a>, TIME, May 13, 1951</p> <p><a href="https://chrisfujita.wordpress.com/2015/06/27/rose-rose-i-love-you-the-story-of-one-of-chinas-greatest-hits/">Rose, Rose I Love You: The Story Of One Of China’s Greatest Hits</a>, Barbarian Subject, June 27, 2015</p> <p>黄奇智 (2000). <a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/2567292/">时代曲的流光岁月 1930-1970</a>. 三联书店（香港）有限公司.</p> <p>Attali, J. (1985). <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise:_The_Political_Economy_of_Music">Noise: the political economy of music</a>. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. <a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/1469342/">中文版</a></p> <p>相关录音：</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCpL_ImsiDo">Nebraska</a>, Bruce Springsteen 词曲奏唱, 1982, Columbia</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwsJDFgBO9k">Pistol Packin’ Mama</a>, Al Dexter 词曲，Al Dexter 演唱，Al Dexter and His Troopers 伴奏，1943，OKeh</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRyrWN-fftE">Bye Bye Love</a>, Felice & Boudleaux Bryant 词曲，the Everly Brothers 唱奏，1957，Cadence</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvE0Um3bRk">Old Folks at Home (Swanee River)</a>, Stephen Foster 词曲，Grant Williams/The Robert Shaw Chorale/Robert Shaw 演唱，1959，RCA Victor</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/QGMHnNqAjrI">God Bless America</a>，Irvin Berlin 词曲，Kate Smith 演唱，Jack Miller 指挥乐队和合唱队，1939，Victor</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_9PApxCI8">When Mose with His Nose Leads the Band</a>，Bert Fitzgibbon 词，Jack Drislane/Theodore Morse 曲，Arthur Collins/Byron G. Harlan 演唱，1906，Victor</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwg8M5B1jH4">Back in the USA</a>, Chuck Berry 词曲，MC5 唱奏，1970，Atlantic</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4_zVxmufY">Born to Run</a>, Bruce Springsteen 词曲，Bruce Springseen/Ernest "Boom" Carter/Clarence Clemons/Danny Federici/David Sancious/Garry Tallent 演奏，1975，Columbia</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/syNLBJ_Lq9E">Like a Rolling Stone</a>，Bob Dylan 词曲，Bob Dylan/Michael Bloomfield/Al Kooper/Frank Owens/Joseph Macho Jr./Bobby Gregg/Bruce Langhorne 演奏，1965，Columbia</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62i4-WAHePc">Angel Baby</a>, Rosie Hamlin 词曲，Rosie and the Originals 唱奏，1960，Highland Records</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eHJ12Vhpyc">Hound Dog</a>, Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller 词曲，Elvis Presley 演唱，1956，RCA</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVsZ5DVXL1k">毛毛雨</a>, 黎錦暉 词曲，黎明暉 演唱，黎锦晖指挥明月音乐会伴奏，1928，百代唱片</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imgF8vnZnbU">毛毛雨</a>, 黎錦暉 词曲，黎明暉 演唱，百代西乐队伴奏，1932，百代唱片</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV4aVmkCWv0">Rose Rose I Love You</a>，Wilfrid Thomas 英文歌词，陈歌辛 作曲，Paul Weston 编曲，Frankie Laine 演唱，The Norman Luboff Choir/Paul Weston & his Orch./C Fischer 伴奏，1951，Columbia</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HisbavQg7zo">Rose Rose I Love You</a>，吴村作词，陈歌辛作曲，姚莉 演唱，1940，上海百代</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MvgAWG13Mo">May Kway (Rose Rose I Love You)</a>，John Turner 英文歌词，陈歌辛 作曲，Petula Clark 演唱，Frank Chacksfield and His Orchestra 伴奏，1951，Polygon</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HisbavQg7zo">Rose Rose I Love You</a>，吴村作词，陈歌辛作曲，姚莉 演唱，Ian Widgery Remix，2006，香港百代</p>
February 14, 2026
EP 26: 寻找正宗的蓝调（「寻找正宗的蓝调」系列之八）
<p>蓝调一开始只是一种从 Ragtime 发展而来的商业流行乐。但是为了让蓝调成为黑人艺人为黑人表演的音乐，蓝调开始被定义成黑人民歌。这个定义在被唱片公司接受后，反过来也影响了大众对正宗蓝调的认知。</p> <p>《talich 闲侃》，有闲得聊，关注美国流行文化史，网址：<a href="https://talich.fm">https://talich.fm</a></p> <h2>相关链接</h2> <p>###主要参考文献</p> <p><a href="https://www.loc.gov/collections/songs-of-america/Larticles-and-essays/musical-styles/ethnic/african-american-song/">African American Song</a>，The Library of Congress Celebrates the Songs of America</p> <p>Dunkel, M. (2015). <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03007766.2014.994320">W. C. Handy, Abbe Niles, and (Auto)biographical Positioning in the Whiteman Era</a>. Popular Music and Society, 38(2), 122–139.</p> <p>Brooks, T. & Spottswood, R. K. (2004). <a href="https://archive.org/details/lostsoundsblacks0000broo_a6i3">Lost sounds: blacks and the birth of the recording industry, 1890-1919</a>. Urbana: University of Illinois Press.</p> <p>Gussow, A. (2018).<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554512">W. C. Handy and the “Birth” of the Blues</a>. Southern Cultures, 24(4), 42–68.</p> <p>Scarborough, D. (1923). <a href="https://sacred-texts.com/ame/cig/cig12.htm">The ‘Blues’ as Folk‐songs</a>, Texas Folklore Society Publications 2 (1923), 52–66.</p> <p>Handy, W.C. & Niles, A. (1926). <a href="https://archive.org/details/bluesanthology0000unse">Blues: An anthology. Complete Words and Music of 53 great songs</a>. New York: Collier Books.</p> <p>###相关录音</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GOe70RGi1o">Jim Jackson's Kansas City Blues - Pt. 1</a>，Jim Jackson 词曲演唱，1927，Vocalion</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_xRdpkxno">Barrel House Blues</a>，Ed Andrews 词曲/唱奏，1924，Okeh</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OugQnvPZxLk">Home on the Range</a>，Daniel E. Kelley 曲，Brewster M. Higley 词，Peter Seeger 演唱，1957，Folkways</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_vkuV6DlDw">Laughin' and Cryin' Blues</a>，Allen Brothers 唱奏，1928，Columbia</p>
December 22, 2025
EP 25: 蓝调天后和唱片时代（「寻找正宗的蓝调」系列之七）
<p>蓝调诞生的年代，正好也是唱片刚刚成形的年代。唱片中记录的蓝调，很大程度上塑造了我们对当年的蓝调的理解。在 1920 年代，城市蓝调女歌手，也就是蓝调天后，成为了蓝调的代名词。在这期播客里，我们来聊聊这个现像是如何出现的，以及背后推动它成形的商业模式。</p> <p>《talich 闲侃》，有闲得聊，关注美国流行文化史，网址：<a href="https://talich.fm">https://talich.fm</a></p> <h2>相关链接</h2> <h3>主要参考文献</h3> <p>Abbott, L. & Seroff, D. (2017). <a href="https://www.upress.state.ms.us/Books/T/The-Original-Blues">The original blues: the emergence of the blues in African American vaudeville</a>. University Press of Mississippi.</p> <p>Ed Komara, <a href="https://www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-recording-preservation-board/documents/CrazyBlues.pdf">“Crazy Blues”—Mamie Smith (1920)</a></p> <p>Miller, K. H. (2010). <a href="https://www.dukeupress.edu/segregating-sound">Segregating sound: inventing folk and pop music in the age of Jim Crow</a>. Durham: Duke University Press.</p> <p>Krasner, D. (2002). <a href="https://archive.org/details/beautifulpageant0000kras">A beautiful pageant: African American theatre, drama, and performance in the Harlem Renaissance, 1910-1927</a> (1st ed). New York: Palgrave Macmillan.</p> <p>Wald, E. (2010). <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-blues-9780195398939">The blues: a very short introduction</a>. New York: Oxford University Press.</p> <p>David Suisman, <a href="archive.oah.org/special-issues/teaching/2004_03/article.pdf">Co-workers in the Kingdom of Culture: Black Swan Records and the Political Economy of African American Music</a>, Journal of American History, Volume 90, Issue 4, March 2004, Pages 1295–1324</p> <p>Jitu K. Weusi, <a href="https://syncopatedtimes.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-black-swan-records/">The Rise and Fall of Black Swan Records</a>, The Syncopated Times</p> <p>Ward, B., & Huber, P. (2018). <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv1675b9g">A&R Pioneers: Architects of American Roots Music on Record</a>. Vanderbilt University Press.</p> <h3>相关录音</h3> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SjFJTpKwyg">St. Louis Tickle</a>，Theron Catlen Bennett 作曲，Dave Van Ronk 演奏，1920，Victor</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/So-iDJiKMHQ">Livery Stable Blues</a>，Ray Lopez/Alcide Nunez 作曲，Original Dixieland Jazz Band 演奏，1917，Victor</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voO4G8gUK2g">St. Louis Tickle</a>，Theron Catlen Bennett 作曲，Plantation Trio 演奏，1920，Victor</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI49DEvohp8">A To Z Blues</a>，Butterbeans/Ray Arthur 词曲，Butterbeans & Susie 演唱，Clarence Willams 钢琴，1924，Okeh</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5Y3eSgGOk">A Married Man's A Fool</a>，Blind Willie McTell 词曲，Ry Cooder 等演奏，1974，Reprise</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng51Iq79oCY">A Married Man's a Fool</a>，Eddie Green/Jadie Edwards 词曲，Blind Willie McTell 唱奏，1956，Prestige Bluesville(1961)</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgRUeajuFT4">A Good Man Is Hard To Find</a>，Eddie Green 词曲，Marion Davis 演唱，1919，Victor</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgRUeajuFT4">A Good Man Is Hard To Find</a>，Eddie Green 词曲，Bessie Smith/Lincoln Conaway/Porter Grainger Porter Grainger 唱奏，1927，Columbia</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ5f-pPDISg">St. Louis Blues</a>，W.C. Handy 词曲，Al Bernard 演唱，Original Dixieland Jazz Band 演奏，1921，Victor</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSpEflGHb0">That Thing Called Love</a>，Perry Bradford 词曲，Mamie Smith 演唱，1920，Okeh</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/obcgt_zGCfg">Crazy Blues</a>，Perry Bradford 词曲，Mamie Smith and Her Jazz Hounds 唱奏，1920，OKeh</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1dxfgH9HwA">Down Home Blues</a>，Tom Delaney 词曲，Ethel Waters 演唱，Cordy Williams' Jazz Masters 伴奏，1921，Black Swan</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUZKfxlWtvY">My Man Rocks Me (With One Steady Roll)</a>，J. Berni Barbour 词曲，Trixie Smith and The Jazz Masters 唱奏，1922，Black Swan</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ob_sW2_2Zw">Down Hearted Blues</a>，Lovie Austin 作曲, Alberta Hunter 作词，Bessie Smith 演唱，Clarence Willams 钢琴，1923，Columbia</p> <p><a href="hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUA1qwj7yc">A Fiddler's Convention in Georgia, Pt. 2</a>，Clayton McMichen/Gid Tanner/Riley Puckett/Bob Nichols/Fate Norris/Bert Layne 演奏，1927，Columbia</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo2vazcmw8I">Guitar Rag</a>，Sara Martin/Sylvester Weaver 作曲，Sylvester Weaver 演奏，1927，Okeh</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_xRdpkxno">Barrel House Blues</a>，Ed Andrews 词曲/唱奏，1924，Okeh</p>
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- Does this podcast accept guests?
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