by Luke谈意义
在青春期的某个夜晚，我半夜惊醒，被“人是会死的”这件事吓哭。从此，我每天都会花一些时间，思考人生的意义。我追寻着自己的意义，大学时从商科转到社会学，再在博士时转到社会工作，到今天成为了一个学术实践者，一边在大学教非营利组织管理，一边参与公益与商业向善实践。 在这档播客中，我希望和认真活着的朋友们“谈谈意义”：当下ta怎么理解和实践人生的意义，过往经历如何塑造了ta对人生意义的认知，以及未来活出怎样的人生对ta才是有意义的。如果“意义”这个词太过遥远而奢侈，我们其实在谈——如何认真体验这一生。 告诉我，你打算用你狂野而珍贵的一生，做些什么？——玛丽·奥利弗 Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? —— Mary Oliver
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February 11, 2026
<h2>【主播的话】</h2> <p>你好呀，欢迎来到《谈谈意义》！</p> <p>我是卢轲 Luke，一个关注公益与商业向善的学术实践者。在这档节目中，我将与认真活着的朋友们探讨：“你打算用你狂野而珍贵的一生，做些什么？”</p> <p>今天是第一季第七期，我来到了汕头，见到了我的朋友 Chelsea。在这座充满生活气息的海边城市，我们聊了聊她如何在一份主业和多份副业中找到平衡，如何在具体的“附近”中构建生活的意趣，以及她那种不被宏大叙事裹挟、活在当下的松弛感。</p> <h2>【本期嘉宾】</h2> <p>陈Chelsea，汕头土著，斜杠青年。目前就职于一家自闭症儿童康复机构，同时也是多份公益与商业项目的设计师与合作者。</p> <h2>【本期内容】</h2> <p>Part 1 附近</p> <p><a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=00:40">00:40</a> 为什么留在汕头？在菜市场和小区里寻找生活的“具体”</p> <p><a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=06:20">06:20</a> 最初的公益启蒙：环保志愿者、口述史</p> <p>Part 2 觉醒</p> <p>[20:05] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=20:05">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=20:05</a>) 姓名与自我接纳：内心曾经住着无数个小恶魔</p> <p>[35:05] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=35:05">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=35:05</a>) 全职进入公益行业：虽然穷，但有双休和意义</p> <p>Part 3 拼图</p> <p>[43:30] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=43:40">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=43:40</a>) 设计技能的养成：从画黑板报到承包社区墙绘</p> <p>[50:15] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=50:15">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=50:15</a>) 一份主业四份副业，为什么不会感到意义感的缺失？</p> <p>[55:10] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=50:10">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=50:10</a>) 面对宏大叙事的无力感：专注于你确实服务到的那群人</p> <p>Part 4 当下</p> <p>[65:45] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=65:45">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=65:45</a>) 关于时间的想象：我不焦虑死亡，也不做长远的规划</p> <p>[77:40] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=77:40">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=77:40</a>) 日常生活的快乐：逛小区、观察植物、洗碗、想象、记录</p> <p>[85:10] (<a href="https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=77:40">https://www.luke1995.com/episodes/E07#t=77:40</a>) 未来考虑做一个水电工也不错</p> <h2>【金句摘录】</h2> <p>-“我不太敏感于别人说你好像一直生活在一个小城市，很多人会被这个词刺痛……我觉得向外探索不意味着说，你不待在那个固定的城市。”</p> <p>-“人生没有一个固定的思维模式。不是说读了本科就一定要读研，你可以再去读一个本科，或者去读个大专学水电工程。只要是学你喜欢的东西，拓宽路径就行。”</p> <p>-“我给自己的工作划分为三种类型：一种是‘社保工作’，它不需要太忙，但能提供社会保障兜底；另一种是‘志向工作’，它满足道德要求或个人追求，能给我带来同频的朋友和精神需要。”</p> <p>-“只要你从事公共事业，就尽量抛弃那种宏大叙事的想法。一个人的力量是无法满足那种宏大结果的……你只要想，你做的事情确实对你服务的群体是有益无害的，这就够了。”</p> <p>-“如果我今天去菜市场买到了一个漂亮的番茄，或者看到路边一棵树开得很美，这带给我的满足感，比我去思考一些很 Meta（形而上）的东西要大得多。”</p> <p>-“那些真正需要帮助的人，如果他们因为你的工作过得更好了，这比什么都重要。至于那些伪善的人，恶人自有天收，那不是我考虑的范围。”</p> <p>-“大家都觉得我可以去更高的地方，但我对自己太了解了。我就是我，我不认可‘留在这里就没有自我发展空间’这种断论。我不需要为了满足别人的虚荣心去挑战自己。”</p> <p>-“我对未来的规划就是没有规划。我不会去预设人生有多有限，对我来说，最重要的就是当下具体的生活意趣。”</p> <h2>【制作团队】</h2> <p>主播：卢轲Luke</p> <p>剪辑：猪杰瑞</p> <p>视觉：猪杰瑞</p> <h2>【互动支持】</h2> <p>听众互动：luke2502@163.com</p>
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在青春期的某个夜晚，我半夜惊醒，被“人是会死的”这件事吓哭。从此，我每天都会花一些时间，思考人生的意义。我追寻着自己的意义，大学时从商科转到社会学，再在博士时转到社会工作，到今天成为了一个学术实践者，一边在大学教非营利组织管理，一边参与公益与商业向善实践。
在这档播客中，我希望和认真活着的朋友们“谈谈意义”：当下ta怎么理解和实践人生的意义，过往经历如何塑造了ta对人生意义的认知，以及未来活出怎样的人生对ta才是有意义的。如果“意义”这个词太过遥远而奢侈，我们其实在谈——如何认真体验这一生。
告诉我，你打算用你狂野而珍贵的一生，做些什么？——玛丽·奥利弗 Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? —— Mary Oliver
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