Dude and Woman is a short bonus conversation following each full episode. Listen to the Melissa Wallentine episode "I Come From an Extraordinary Dysfunctional Family" first. Noticing what others don't see is a skill that not everyone has. Dude does it well, I'm still working on it, especially at cocktail parties. We go into depth what it's like for us to attend both mixers and banquets. In one setting, I'm shy, withdrawn, uncomfortable, and can't wait to leave. In the other,...
16 Oct 2026
I'm the Official Pedicurist for Three 80-Year-Olds
Melissa Wallentine's parents were each married five times. Her dad moved the family 37 times in 11 years. This upbringing is how Melissa developed a superpower of noticing when others are in need, whether it's as a professor, a neighbor, Stake Relief Society president, or a mother. By the time others discover someone needs help, Melissa is already there. Heather and Melissa talk about how Mary at the wedding in Cana, who saw the wine running out before the wedding planner did, might hav...
9 Oct 2026
Dude & Woman: Diana Lacey
Dude and Woman is a short bonus conversation following each full episode. Listen to the Diana Lacey episode first. Two doctors told me I wasn't pregnant. I believed them instead of my own body. That came up after talking with Diana about the fifth baby she nearly delivered at home — and the sister who recognized labor faster than she did. It got Dude and me talking about how often we ignore the truth right in front of us, or tell the truth and have no one believe us anyway. We ...
9 Oct 2026
I Was Broken and Didn't Know It
Heather is joined by her bosom friend, Diana Lacey to talk about what it's like to be a midwife, especially when you have to deliver difficult news. Being a midwife of truth can be painful for both the messenger and the receiver. Heather and Diana talk about Mary, the women at the tomb, and others whose news wasn't believed. Diana also shares three R's that she learned the hard way: recognize, respond, and recover. She shares her journey of learning what spiritual abuse looks like and h...
2 Oct 2026
Dude & Woman: Liahni Chandler
Dude and Woman is a short bonus conversation following each full episode. Listen to the Liahni Chandler episode first. Every morning, Liahni thanks two people by name. Neither of them is alive to hear it. That's what was on my mind after talking with Liahni about receiving both a liver and a kidney from donors she never met. It got me thinking about Dude, who was electrocuted at eleven, died, and came back, and I asked him if he'd ever felt like he'd been handed a second chance. Most...
2 Oct 2026
I Understand the Word "Savior" Better Now
Liahni Chandler is an executive management professional and a two-time recipient of the gift of life — a liver and a kidney. The transplants changed her career path: she left the corporate world and eventually landed at the Ronald McDonald House. She says it taught her to understand the word "savior" a lot better these days. Heather and Liahni talk about Mary and Martha, and what it looks like to balance service with sitting at the feet of the Savior to learn. They also talk about what it was...
25 Sept 2026
Dude & Woman: McArthur Krishna
Dude and Woman is a short bonus conversation following each full episode. Listen to the McArthur Krishna episode first. Would an accountant think it makes financial sense for a company to pay for an employee's personal growth? That was the question I had for Dude who is a CFO and always watching the books. If it makes sense for a company to invest in an employee, why don't families invest in the mother's personal development? Dude and I discuss what boundaries we have wit...
25 Sept 2026
I Refuse to Be Bored in My Own Life
MacArthur Krishna married at 37 and gave birth to just one of her three daughters. She built a career as a river guide, window washer, forest service archaeologist, and businesswoman before she ever published a book — seventeen of them, so far. Six months ago, a professor called out of nowhere and invited her back to graduate school in a city she'd never considered; she packed up her family and went. MacArthur calls herself a shapeshifter, and she really is, she's shaping the world we a...
18 Sept 2026
Dude & Woman: Terri Petersen
Dude and Woman is a short bonus conversation following each full episode. Listen to the Terri Petersen episode first. Being covered in clay isn't really protection. It's more like being told you're not worth uncovering. That's what stuck with me after talking with Terri Petersen about a 700-year-old golden Buddha hidden under clay to keep it safe from thieves. I cling to the clay because I'm afraid of what it buries—a bad review I can't stop replaying, a compliment I toss out bec...
18 Sept 2026
I'm a Buddhist Mormon
Terri is a yoga instructor, a personal trainer for over 40 years, and a docent at the Museum of the Bible — and now calls herself a Buddhist Mormon. She spent her twenties and thirties following a script: BYU, marriage in the temple, five kids, stay-at-home mom. She calls it outsourcing her life choices. Heather and Terri talk about the woman at the well, and how fixating on her marital history buries the real story of who Jesus reaches out to. They also talk about the golden Buddha of...
11 Sept 2026
Dude & Woman: Amy Watkins Jensen
Dude and Woman is a short bonus conversation following each full episode. Listen to the Amy Jensen episode first. From the stand, you can see who's missing. That's what I couldn't stop thinking about after talking with Amy Jensen. Not who's watching you. Who you can watch. Who came in late, who's wrestling a toddler on the bench, who stopped coming. I shared my thoughts with Dude, and he told me about a woman in our ward in Texas in the nineties. She hadn't been to church in years and ...
11 Sept 2026
Women on the Stand Began With a No
Amy Jensen's first reaction to being invited onto the stand was to say no. It sounded like one more assignment. Her daughters' reaction changed her mind, and she saw how it changed the ward to see who leads. Then came another no. She was told she could no longer sit with the male leadership on the stand. That is where Women on the Stand began. Heather and Amy discuss how symbolically sitting on the stand signals that women are part of leadership, not simply observers. They...
26 Aug 2026
Meet Dude & Woman
Have you ever met a married couple who call each other Dude and Woman? Well, now you have. In this first Dude & Woman, Bradford and I talk about the nicknames we have for each other, and why "Woman" isn't the insult it may sound like. It's the same word Jesus used for his own mother. We get into sheep knowing their shepherd's voice, and Mary Magdalene recognizing Jesus by hearing her own name. The Approachable Jesus is a Times of Faith production. Opinions expresse...
26 Aug 2026
Season 1 Trailer: The Midwives of Jesus
Mary Magdalene? A prostitute. Pilate's wife? A footnote. We've all been handed stories about the women of the New Testament—most of them wrong. Season 1 starts September 11. The first season of The Approachable Jesus pairs a guest's real story of approaching Jesus with the women in scripture I call the Midwives of Jesus—women who helped deliver him and his gospel to the world. It's also the title of my study guide, out this December. Follow the show so you're ready when the first episode drop...
25 Aug 2026
The Approachable Jesus (Trailer)
We never read about Jesus checking His emails or sitting in traffic. He lived in a far away land in the distant past, and that distance can make Him feel unapproachable. Every episode, I sit down with a guest who tells me their own story—not a lesson or sermon, their actual life—how they approach Jesus in their own unique way. I'm Heather Ruth Pack, scripture scholar and author of the Times of Faith study guides. Follow the show so you don't miss the first episode. The Approachable Jesus is a...
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