The Associated

About The Associated

The Associated – The go-to podcast for apartment associations! The world of apartment associations is changing—fast. What used to work is starting to crumble, and we’re here to talk about it. Welcome to The Associated, where we take you behind the scenes of association management, legal updates, public policy, event planning, and all things multifamily. Join your hosts, Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow, two industry pros with boots-on-the-ground experience at the local, state, and national levels. We’re diving deep into what’s working, what’s not, and what needs to change—no sugarcoating, just real talk. Expect bold discussions, expert guests, and insights that will help you navigate this ever-evolving industry. If you’re in the apartment association community and have ever asked yourself, "Why are we still doing it this way?"—this podcast is for you. Let’s rethink association management together. New episodes drop monthly—subscribe now so you don’t miss out! Follow us on social media (links in show notes) and send us your questions, topic ideas, or guest suggestions! Presented by CLTPR Association Management and Brownlee Whitlow & Praet Property Solutions Law.

Publisher

CLTPR Association Management

Category

business · education · government

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

25 Mar 2025

Latest episode

22 Sept 2026

Latest episodes

18 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   22 Sept 2026

   Legal Advocacy Is No Longer Optional, It’s Essential!

   What happens when legislative advocacy ends and legal advocacy begins? As regulatory scrutiny of the rental housing industry continues to intensify, apartment associations, housing providers, and industry leaders face a rapidly evolving legal landscape. From antitrust litigation and fee transparency requirements to rent control efforts and operational compliance challenges, understanding how legal advocacy protects the industry has never been more important. On this episode of The Associated Podcast, Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow sit down with Ayiesha Beverly, General Counsel for the National Apartment Association (NAA), for a wide-ranging conversation recorded live at the Rental Housing Advocacy Legal Symposium (RHALS) in Nashville. Ayiesha shares her journey from telecommunications and real estate law into association leadership, explains how NAA's legal advocacy efforts support the rental housing industry, and offers a candid look at the challenges shaping the future of multifamily housing. From amicus briefs and industry litigation to risk management, AI, and the growing complexity of compliance obligations, this conversation offers valuable insight into the legal forces influencing rental housing today. In this episode, you'll learn: How NAA's legal advocacy efforts complement government affairs and legislative advocacy The growing impact of antitrust litigation and fee transparency regulations on apartment operators Why legal scrutiny of the rental housing industry has accelerated since COVID What "amicus" or "friend of the court" participation really means and why it matters How NAA's Legal Advocacy Program (LAP) supports affiliates and industry legal challenges Why strong relationships with qualified legal counsel are critical for apartment associations and operators Whether you're an association executive, volunteer leader, attorney, supplier partner, or rental housing operator, this episode provides a window into the advocacy efforts working behind the scenes to support and protect the industry. Guest Bio: Ayiesha Beverly Ayiesha Beverly serves as General Counsel for the NAA, where she acts as a key strategic advisor to the organization and its leadership. She oversees all aspects of NAA's legal affairs program, including legal operations, compliance, and governance matters. Since joining NAA nearly a decade ago, Ayiesha has helped guide the organization's legal strategy through a period of unprecedented growth and regulatory complexity. Her work includes legal advocacy initiatives, amicus brief participation, industry compliance guidance, commercial transactions, contract law, association governance, and risk management. A trusted voice within the rental housing industry, Ayiesha regularly writes and speaks on emerging legal issues affecting housing providers and apartment associations nationwide. She is also passionate about leadership development, industry collaboration, and helping organizations navigate change responsibly and effectively. Outside of work, Ayiesha is an avid gamer, a lifelong Nintendo fan, and a technology enthusiast who enjoys building and troubleshooting technology almost as much as she enjoys practicing law. Connect with Ayiesha Beverly on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayiesha-b-62609a140/). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (http://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (http://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (http://www.cltprmanagement.com/) Brownlee Whitlow & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet) Brownlee Whitlow & Praet Website: bwpf-law.com (http://bwpf-law.com)

2. 

   25 Aug 2026

   What if the most impactful career move you make is investing in people, relationships, and service beyond your job description?

   In the multifamily housing industry, success is often measured by occupancy rates, development pipelines, and operational performance. But the leaders who leave a lasting impact understand that advocacy, mentorship, philanthropy, and association involvement are just as critical to shaping the future of the industry. Building strong communities requires more than managing properties. It requires investing in people, cultivating future leaders, and creating opportunities for others to succeed. On this episode of The Associated Podcast, Bryan and Todd sit down with Greg Cerbana, Vice President of Public Relations, Corporate Giving, and Government Affairs for Weidner Apartment Homes, for a conversation about leadership, advocacy, philanthropy, and building a meaningful career in multifamily housing. Based in the Pacific Northwest and active throughout North America, Greg shares lessons from nearly three decades in the industry, his role in helping launch the Washington Multifamily Housing Association (WMFHA/WOMPA), and the mentorship, relationships, and service opportunities that helped shape his career. In this episode, you'll learn: How a chance conversation led Greg from retail management into a lifelong multifamily career Why understanding residents' stories is one of the most important leadership skills in housing What it took to help launch and grow Washington's multifamily housing association Why advocacy and government affairs remain essential to protecting and advancing the rental housing industry How mentorship shaped Greg's leadership style and long-term success The importance of succession planning and developing future industry leaders Why philanthropy and community investment create lasting impact beyond business results Throughout the conversation, Greg emphasizes a simple but powerful idea: careers are built through relationships. Whether serving residents, supporting local associations, mentoring emerging leaders, or advocating for housing policy, meaningful impact comes from showing up, giving back, and helping others succeed. His journey serves as a reminder that leadership is less about position and more about service. If you're passionate about association leadership, advocacy, talent development, or the future of multifamily housing, this episode offers valuable insights from one of the industry's most respected voices. Guest Bio: Greg Cerbana Greg Cerbana is the Vice President of Public Relations, Corporate Giving, and Government Affairs for Weidner Apartment Homes, one of North America's largest privately held multifamily housing operators. During his nearly 30-year career, Greg has served in on-site, operational, leadership, advocacy, and corporate affairs roles, giving him a unique perspective on the industry from the ground level to the executive suite. He is a founding board member and past president of the Washington Multifamily Housing Association and currently serves on the boards of both the National Apartment Association (NAA) and the National Apartment Association Education Institute (NAAEI). In 2023, he received the association's Lifetime Achievement Award in recognition of his decades of service and leadership. Greg is widely respected for his commitment to advocacy, workforce development, philanthropy, and mentorship. He also serves on the board of the Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC and the USL Board of Governors. Outside of work, Greg is a motorcycle enthusiast, devoted Seahawks fan, and passionate believer in the power of relationships and community. Connect with Greg Cerbana on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/gcerbana/). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (http://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (http://www.cltprmanagement.com) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (http://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet/)

3. 

   21 Jul 2026

   How Great Associations Are Built: Leadership, Service & the Future of Multifamily

   How Great Associations Are Built: Leadership, Service & the Future of Multifamily Strong apartment associations don't happen by accident—they're built through intentional leadership, engaged volunteers, and a commitment to serving both members and communities. What separates a good association from an award-winning one? Is it advocacy? Education? Leadership development? Community impact? The answer is all of the above. On this episode of The Associated Podcast, Bryan and Todd sit down with Sloane Cerbana, Tricia Johnson, and Jason Loughridge of the Washington Multi Family Housing Association (WMFHA), the 2025 NAA Affiliate of the Year, to explore what it takes to build an association that consistently delivers value to its members while strengthening the rental housing industry as a whole. From developing future leaders and expanding statewide education to creating meaningful philanthropic partnerships and navigating housing policy, this conversation offers practical lessons for association professionals and industry leaders alike. In this episode, you'll learn: Why volunteer engagement is the foundation of every successful association How WMFHA's Emerging Leaders Program is developing the next generation of industry leadership Why associations should focus on creating opportunities—not just events How philanthropy strengthens both communities and the multifamily industry's reputation The role associations play in advocacy, education, and career development Why mental health and employee wellbeing have become critical issues across multifamily How associations can evolve to meet the changing needs of members and the rental housing industry Great associations don't simply provide services—they create leaders, build relationships, advocate for their members, and strengthen entire industries. Whether you're an association executive, volunteer leader, supplier partner, or property management professional, this episode offers valuable insights into what it takes to build an organization that members are proud to support. Guest Bio: Sloane Cerbana Sloane Cerbana serves as Vice President of Operations for the Washington Multi Family Housing Association. Since joining the association in 2008, she has helped transform WMFHA into one of the nation's leading apartment associations, overseeing award-winning education, career development, and operational initiatives. A 2022 NAA ACE Educator of the Year, Sloane is also one of a select group of nationally certified Mental Health First Aid instructors dedicated to supporting the wellbeing of multifamily professionals. She is passionate about leadership development, lifelong learning, and helping association members build meaningful careers. Connect with Sloane on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sloanecerbana?utm_source=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=member_ios). Tricia Johnson Tricia Johnson is the Senior Director of Events & Marketing for the Washington Multi Family Housing Association. Since joining WMFHA in 2012, she has led many of the association's signature events, including the Emerald Awards, EdCon, and the WMFHA Invitational. She also oversees the association's philanthropic initiatives, partnering with nonprofit organizations throughout Washington to create volunteer opportunities and strengthen the connection between the multifamily industry and the communities it serves. Connect with Tricia on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/tricia-odonovan-johnson?utm_source=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=member_ios). Jason Loughridge Jason Loughridge serves as Director of Career Development for the Washington Multi Family Housing Association. With more than 25 years of multifamily experience spanning onsite operations, training, association leadership, and education, Jason leads WMFHA's professional development initiatives, including the highly successful Emerging Leaders Program. He is a passionate advocate for leadership development, mentorship, and creating inclusive opportunities that help professionals at every stage of their careers succeed. Connect with Jason on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonloughridge?utm_source=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=member_ios). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (http://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (http://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (http://www.cltprmanagement.com/) Brownlee Whitlow & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet) Brownlee Whitlow & Praet Website: bwpf-law.com (http://bwpf-law.com)

4. 

   23 Jun 2026

   Why Education and Mental Health Matter More Than Ever in Multifamily | Featuring Victoria Cowart

   Title: Why Education and Mental Health Matter More Than Ever in Multifamily Education isn’t optional, it’s essential. As the multifamily industry continues to evolve, property management professionals are navigating increasing operational demands, resident expectations, workforce challenges, and mental health concerns. Success today requires more than technical knowledge—it requires engaged leaders, ongoing education, and organizations willing to invest in the well-being of their teams. On this episode of The Associated Podcast, Bryan and Todd sit down with Victoria Cowart, Vice President of Education at PetScreening, for a conversation about leadership, association engagement, professional development, mental health, and creating pathways to opportunity within the multifamily industry. With more than 35 years of industry experience, Victoria shares her journey from leasing professional to association leader, educator, and industry advocate. She discusses her role in helping establish the Charleston Apartment Association, her leadership experience with the South Carolina Apartment Association and National Apartment Association, and why education remains one of the most powerful tools for career growth and industry advancement. The conversation also highlights Entryway, an organization helping individuals facing barriers to employment build meaningful careers in the rental housing industry. In this episode, you'll learn: • How Victoria helped launch the Charleston Apartment Association • Why advocacy and association involvement remain critical to the future of the industry • The difference between attendance and true engagement in volunteer organizations • How education creates confidence, consistency, and career growth • Emerging trends in apartment association programming and events • Why mental health has become a growing focus across multifamily organizations • How leaders can create healthier, more resilient workplace cultures • The value of Mental Health First Aid training for industry professionals • How organizations like Entryway are creating opportunities and strengthening the industry's workforce From founding local associations to educating thousands of industry professionals across the country, Victoria offers a unique perspective on what it takes to build stronger organizations, stronger teams, and stronger leaders. Her insights serve as a reminder that investing in people—through education, engagement, wellness initiatives, and career opportunities—remains one of the most important investments any company or association can make. Guest Bio: Victoria Cowart is the Vice President of Education at PetScreening and a nationally recognized educator, speaker, and multifamily industry leader. She brings more than 35 years of experience in property management, association leadership, fair housing compliance, and professional development. Victoria helped establish the Charleston Apartment Association and later served as President of the South Carolina Apartment Association. She has also served as a Regional Vice President for the National Apartment Association and chaired multiple NAA committees, including the Legislative Committee. Throughout her career, Victoria has been passionate about advocacy, education, and helping industry professionals build successful careers. She is a Certified Property Manager (CPM), NAAEI faculty member, and certified Mental Health First Aid instructor. In her current role, she leads educational initiatives for PetScreening while speaking at conferences and events across the country on topics including fair housing, assistance animals, leadership, and mental wellness. Known for her engaging presentation style and commitment to helping others succeed, Victoria continues to be one of the most respected voices in the rental housing industry. Connect with Victoria Cowart on LinkedIn HERE. CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (http://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (http://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (http://www.cltprmanagement.com/) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (http://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet)

5. 

   26 May 2026

   Why Advocacy Is No Longer Optional in Rental Housing | Featuring Bob Pinnegar, NAA President & CEO

   Advocacy in the rental housing industry has changed dramatically and according to Bob Pinnegar, the spotlight on housing policy is only getting brighter. Recorded live during Advocate in Washington, D.C., this episode of The Associated features an in-depth conversation with the President and CEO of the National Apartment Association about the evolution of the industry, the future of apartment associations, and why engagement at every level matters more than ever. Bob shares how NAA transformed its organizational structure, modernized its communications and technology strategy, and scaled industry influence through advocacy, research, and member engagement. The conversation also explores the growing complexity of federal housing policy, the importance of local association involvement, and how the industry must adapt to support the next generation of professionals. From Apartmentalize growth to the Housing Solutions Coalition, this episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at how industry leadership is navigating one of the most scrutinized and rapidly evolving sectors in the country. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: How the National Apartment Association restructured and modernized its operations Why communications, technology, and research became central to NAA’s strategic plan How Apartmentalize evolved into one of the industry’s premier conferences Why advocacy has become essential for rental housing professionals The challenges facing volunteer-led trade organizations How associations must evolve to engage younger professionals and future leaders Why supplier engagement and networking remain critical growth drivers How the Housing Solutions Coalition is influencing national housing conversations The long-term impact of COVID-era housing policy on the industry Guest Bio Bob Pinnegar serves as President and CEO of the National Apartment Association, bringing more than 20 years of experience in association leadership, public policy, and campaign strategy. Since joining NAA in 2011, Bob has helped lead a major organizational transformation focused on strengthening communications, technology, research, advocacy, and member engagement. In 2017, he oversaw a strategic reorganization of the association’s headquarters staff and the development of a long-term strategic plan designed to better serve the evolving needs of the rental housing industry. Throughout the episode, Bob emphasizes the importance of industry involvement, advocacy participation, and building professional networks that strengthen both careers and communities. Connect with Bob on LinkedIn: Robert Pinnegar LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-pinnegar-08458512/) Learn more about the National Apartment Association: National Apartment Association (https://naahq.org?utm_source=chatgpt.com) CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219/ Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529/ CLTPR Management on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management/ Brownlee Whitlow & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet/ CLTPR Website:https://www.cltprmanagement.com/ Brownlee Whitlow & Praet Website: https://bwpf-law.com/

6. 

   28 Apr 2026

   Dream Bigger, Do Less, Grow Faster with The Science of BUDs – Marvelless Mark Kamp, CEO, Turn It Up Culture

   What if the breakthrough your business needs starts with dreaming bigger… and doing less? On this episode of The Associated Podcast, Bryan and Todd sit down with bestselling author, keynote headliner, and CEO of Turn It Up Culture, Marvelless Mark Kamp (https://www.linkedin.com/in/marvellessmark/), for a conversation packed with energy, strategy, and rockstar-level perspective. Known for turning meetings into rock concerts, Mark breaks down the science behind BUDs (Big Unreasonable Dreams), goals so bold they haven’t been invented yet… and may have your inner circle calling you crazy. In this episode, you’ll learn: The 3-part science behind a true BUD How thinking 3 years ahead can reshape today’s decisions Why 80% of your “noise” may be blocking growth How to identify the bottleneck holding back your business Why failure can act as your GPS to 10X results How energy becomes contagious and why excitement drives performance From “Einstein Time” to finding whether you may be the bottleneck, this episode is loaded with practical ideas leaders can use immediately. And a preview: Marvelless Mark Kamp (https://marvellessmark.com/) will close out the AANC Connected Conference (https://www.aanconline.org/2026-aanc-connected-conference) as the final keynote speaker. Stay and you’ll walk away with at least three strategies that could change the trajectory of your business, leadership, or sales. Turn it up. Dream bigger. Find the bottleneck. Rock the results. Guest Bio: “Marvelless” Mark Kamp is a best-selling author, award-winning entrepreneur, and dynamic keynote speaker known for turning meetings into rock concert-style experiences. As CEO of Turn It Up Culture and a Las Vegas headliner, Mark blends music, motivation, and business mastery to help teams achieve peak performance. His high-energy keynotes are rooted in the belief that success should be bold, collaborative, and celebrated. One client described him as “Tony Robbins fronting a rock band”—packed with music metaphors, audience interaction, actionable takeaways, and lots of hype. In his book Opportunity Rocks, he shares backstage secrets from rock stars and applies them to leadership, teamwork, and innovation. Mark’s message has been featured on ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, HBO Max, and TEDx. If you’re ready to energize your event and rock your results, Marvelless Mark is your ultimate headliner. Connect with Mark on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/marvellessmark/). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet)

7. 

   17 Mar 2026

   Talk to Me Like a Kindergartner, Translating Multifamily Advocacy - Jon Lowder, Executive Director, Apartment Association of North Carolina (AANC)

   Advocacy in the multifamily industry isn’t optional, it’s essential. But lawmakers don’t work in the multifamily world, which means someone has to translate how policy decisions actually impact housing and operations. In this episode of The Associated, Bryan and Todd sit down with Jon Lowder (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonlowder), Executive Director of the Apartment Association of North Carolina (https://www.aanconline.org/), to break down what advocacy really means for owners, operators, suppliers, and association members. With leadership experience spanning the Piedmont Triad Apartment Association (PTAA) and Triad Real Estate and Building Industry Coalition (TREBIC), Jon explains how associations help translate complicated regulations from building codes to environmental standards into real-world impacts legislators can understand. In this episode, we unpack: • Why advocacy directly impacts housing supply and development costs • How associations serve as translators between lawmakers and the industry • Why frontline property teams often deliver the most impactful advocacy stories • What surprises people most when they attend Lobby Day • The role associations play in connecting local, state, and national advocacy efforts Jon also shares a preview of the Rental Housing Developers Day (https://www.aanconline.org/2026-rental-housing-developers-day) launching at the AANC CONNECTed Conference (https://www.aanconline.org/2026-aanc-connected-conference), designed to bring more development voices into the association conversation. Jon offers a practical, eye-opening perspective on why advocacy is critical to the future of housing. Guest Bio: Jon Lowder has been the Executive Director of the Apartment Association of North Carolina since 2023. Before that he was the President of TREBIC (Triad Real Estate and Building Industry Coalition) in Greensboro, NC for two years, and before that he was Executive Director of the Piedmont Triad Apartment Association for 12 years. Earlier in his career Jon had a consulting business that provided communication and tradeshow management services for nonprofits. He lives in Winston-Salem, NC and when not working he enjoys family time with his wife, three adult children and one grandchild. He's also an avid tennis player and likes to travel when the opportunity arises, as long as not too many people are involved. Connect with Jon on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonlowder). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet)

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   3 Mar 2026

   Making Your Voice Heard in Multifamily – Betsy Cunningham, VP of Strategic Engagement, BG Staffing

   Legislative advocacy can feel intimidating, but according to Betsy Cunningham, it’s not rocket science. With more than 16 years in multifamily and a deep passion for association engagement, Betsy shares why advocacy is far simpler (and more personal) than people think. You don’t need to know everything about everything. You just need to know one or two things about one or two things and be willing to tell your story. In this episode, we unpack: Why advocacy isn’t scary and why lawmakers actually want to hear from you How associations make engagement easier than you think The power of mentorship: having a mentor, mentoring someone else, and running the race alongside your peers Why people shouldn’t confuse purpose with career How local, state, and national involvement build on one another Betsy reminds us that advocacy isn’t about being perfect. It’s about being present. And when you show up as yourself, that’s when real influence begins. Guest Bio: Betsy Cunningham has 16+ years’ experience as a multifamily professional. Prior to becoming the Vice President of Strategic Engagement for BG Staffing, Betsy served as a Director of Sales in the Charlotte area, a Regional Sales Manager for multiple markets nationwide with BG and Managing Director of Strategic Accounts. Betsy is passionate about the multifamily industry, loves participating in apartment industry associations, and she works to advocate for the industry and recruit new talent to Multifamily daily. Connect with Betsy on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/betsykirkpatrick). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) The Associated Podcast: https://bwpf-law.com/podcasts/ (https://bwpf-law.com/podcasts/) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet Website: https://bwpf-law.com (https://bwpf-law.com/) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/)

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   19 Feb 2026

   Reflections on Year One of The Associated

   What happens when you look at the multifamily industry, not through operations, suppliers, development, or investment, but through the prism of the associations that support it? You get The Associated. In this special Year One recap episode, executive producer, Julie Zhang, interviews Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow about the origin story of the podcast and the surprising realizations that emerged from their first seven episodes. This conversation dives into: Why they felt compelled to create a platform specifically focused on association leaders and members The shared themes that kept appearing across conversations The reality that associations aren’t often seen as hubs of innovation and how that must shift The responsibility to modernize alongside technology instead of letting members fall behind The isolation board members sometimes feel outside of conferences and their own boards One defining moment? When a respected industry leader admitted that appearing on The Associated was his very first podcast opportunity, despite years of experience and impact. That realization underscored the gap this show was built to fill. Associations are made up of volunteers who deeply care about the industry. They advocate. They mentor. They lead. But they also need new platforms to share ideas, challenge norms, and move forward together. This episode celebrates what’s been built and lays the foundation for what’s next. Year Two is coming, and it’s bigger and focused on supporting all members of apartment associations. Thank you for listening, for sharing, and for helping this community grow. Send us your guest and topic ideas as we want to build this with you. *** CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownleewhitlowpraet) Brownlee, Whitlow, & Praet Website: https://bwpf-law.com (https://bwpf-law.com/)

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    20 Jan 2026

    Building an Association People Want to Be A Part Of - Patrick McCloud, CEO, VAMA

    In his first-ever podcast appearance, Patrick McCloud (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/patrickmccloud_vama-advocacy-apartments-activity-6592580299945758720-FREF?trk=public_profile_like_view) joins The Associated (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod) to reflect on 25 years of leadership at the Virginia Apartment Management Association (https://www.vamaonline.org/ion) (VAMA) and the people-first philosophy that’s shaped it all. From the unique formation of VAMA through the merging of local affiliates, to Patrick’s personable approach with members, this conversation is packed with insight on what it really takes to build an association people want to be a part of. Patrick shares: Why personal connection drives engagement. Why fun plus business is a winning formula. Why great leadership often means letting others think it was their idea. Add in career development, member experience, and a surprise karaoke story involving bongos, and you’ve got a great episode. Guest Bio: Patrick McCloud is native of Virginia. He spent most of his life growing up in the Richmond area. Upon completion of high school he enrolled in and attended Bridgewater College in Harrisonburg, VA where in 1993 he graduated with a Bachelor of Science Degree in Political Science. After that he did what many college grads with political aspirations do, he went to Washington. Patrick spent the spring and summer of 1994 interning with the Clinton administration in the White House Office of Legislative Affairs. Upon completing his term there Patrick was hired by The State Affairs Company, a public relations, government affairs firm based in Arlington, VA. During his 6 years with the firm, Patrick spent a considerable amount of his time uncovering the political involvement and contribution structure of the American Trial Lawyer Industry. Patrick’s work helped focus national attention on the call for Tort Reform in such publications as the Wall Street Journal. In 2000 Patrick took over the leadership helm of the association as its Chief Executive Officer. In his role Patrick oversees all administrative and legislative coordination for the Virginia Apartment Management Association. Since his arrival in 2000 Patrick has been a strong supporter of enhanced career development opportunities and professionalism within the multi-family housing industry. His legislative coordination and messaging has lead to passage of numerous pro-industry pieces of legislation. He is considered by many an expert in multi-family public relations and legislative interpretation. Patrick has served as a Board of Directors of the National Apartment Association (NAA) and the NAA Education Institute (NAAEI). He is past chair of NAA’s Association Executive’s Council, a member of the NAA Budget and Finance committee, former chair of the NAAEI Program Administration Committee and a NAAEI Faculty member. Connect with Patrick on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/patrickmccloud_vama-advocacy-apartments-activity-6592580299945758720-FREF?trk=public_profile_like_view). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

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    16 Dec 2025

    Bridging the Gap with Leaders, Labor, and the Lifestyle of Renting

    Hosts of The Associated interview Adrian Danila and Chris Moreno about the shifting rental landscape, workforce challenges, and the evolution of multifamily associations, offering insights into industry trends.

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    28 Oct 2025

    Career Lattices, Karaoke, and Lessons in Leadership from Kelli Lea, President, NAAEI and Senior RM, Greystar

    Kelli Lea, President of NAAEI and Senior RM at Greystar, shares her multifamily experience and insights on career lattices, leadership through volunteering, and the importance of having fun, in an interview.

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    26 Aug 2025

    Advocacy in Action with the National Apartment Association's Policy Pros - Nicole Upano and Jim Wilson

    Nicole Upano and Jim Wilson discuss the National Apartment Association's advocacy efforts, revealing insights into policy, PAC engagement, and grassroots victories in this interview.

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    15 Jul 2025

    We’re Better Together: Elevating Multifamily Through Connection & Collaboration - Angi Pusateri Downey, National Strategic Account Manager, CORT Furniture Rental

    Angi Pusateri Downey, National Strategic Account Manager at CORT Furniture Rental, discusses how apartment associations support supplier partners and define their brand, in an interview with Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow.

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    6 Jun 2025

    From Pandemic Pivots to Political Power - The New Blueprint for Apartment Associations - Russ Webb, Executive Director, Bay Area Apartment Association

    Executive Director Russ Webb discusses how the Bay Area Apartment Association adapts to change through advocacy, student engagement, and challenging outdated management practices in an interview with Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow.

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    9 May 2025

    Glitter, Grit & Game-Changers: A Supplier’s Perspective on the Heart of Multifamily - Elizabeth Riley, SVP, The Liberty Group

    In this episode of The Associated, Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow invite their first guest, the amazing Elizabeth Riley, Senior VP at The Liberty Group, and a true powerhouse in the multifamily industry. With over 20 years of experience, she’s seen it all—from onsite operations to strategic supplier partnerships. We dive into: How she transitioned from operator to supplier without missing a beat. Why apartment association involvement isn’t just good for business—it’s vital for the multifamily industry’s future. How supplier relationships have shifted from transactional to real connections. Her weekly glitter-card ritual (yes, really) and how small moments spark big connections. Why all voices matter—no matter your title or tenure. Plus: A rapid-fire lightning round full of fun facts, laughs, and surprising answers like jazz hands. Whether you’re brand new to multifamily or a seasoned pro, this episode will leave you inspired to show up, get involved, and lead with heart. Guest Bio: Elizabeth Riley is the Senior Vice President at The Liberty Group, where she’s spent the last several years supporting teams, building relationships, and helping connect great people to great opportunities. With over 20 years in the multifamily industry, she’s passionate about giving back and staying actively involved with local, state, and national apartment associations. Elizabeth believes in leading with heart, showing up for her team, and finding joy in the work we do every day. Outside of the office, she’s a proud mom, youth sports coach, and someone who’s always cheering others on. Connect with Elizabeth on LinkedIn HERE (https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-godwin-riley-58312a68). CONNECT WITH US! Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod)

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    25 Mar 2025

    From Barstools to Broadcast: The Birth of The Associated

    What happens when two seasoned apartment association members turn their post-event bar chats into a podcast? The Associated is born! In this inaugural episode, our two co-hosts, Bryan and Todd, sit down with a guest interviewer, Betsy Cunningham, to share why they’re launching this podcast, what listeners can expect, and why apartment associations are at a turning point. With declining volunteer engagement and old-school methods losing effectiveness, they’re here to dig into what’s next for the multifamily industry and the apartment association world. Expect bold discussions, expert industry guests, and plenty of laughs along the way! Tune in if you’re a member of your local, state, or national apartment association who’s ever asked, “Why are we still doing it this way?” Hit subscribe and get ready for a fresh take on the apartment association world! CONNECT WITH US! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod)

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    25 Mar 2025

    Introducing The Associated – Your Inside Scoop on Apartment Associations!

    Welcome to "The Associated"! The go-to podcast for apartment associations and the multifamily industry! Produced by CLTPR Management and hosted by Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow, our show is dedicated to exploring all facets of the apartment association world. Whether you’re an association pro, a multifamily operator, or just looking for insider insights, we’ve got you covered. In this monthly podcast, we'll have real talk about what's working, what's not, and what's changing in apartment associations. We'll talk about industry updates, public policy, education, events, and more. Get ready for a mix of multifamily expert guests, bold conversations, and plenty of laughs. If you're ready to shake things up in the apartment association world, hit subscribe on your favorite podcast platform and be the first to hear our new episodes. Connect with us! Bryan Holladay on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-holladay-10003219) Todd Whitlow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-whitlow-b7800529) CLTPR Management on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management (https://www.linkedin.com/company/cltpr-management) CLTPR Management Website: www.cltprmanagement.com (https://www.cltprmanagement.com) The Associated Podcast: www.cltprmanagement.com/pod (https://www.cltprmanagement.com/pod)

Who has been a guest on The Associated

Names identified in recent episode analyses. Showing up to five guests.

• Adrian Danila
• Chris Moreno
• Kelli Lea
• Nicole Upano
• Jim Wilson

Reach and audience

Public platform figures. Ratings count people who left a rating, not total listeners.

Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

10 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 13 / 100

A composite of feed quality, social presence, YouTube performance and engagement. Read the methodology.

Quality

13

Social presence

0

YouTube

0

Engagement

32