Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.
Sometimes the pre-show chat goes on so long that we have enough for an entire podcast. And sometimes we're up against a deadline. Both of those things happened this week, so please enjoy the random, meandering conversation with Kristen, Sylvia, and Producer Ted. They talk about KZ & Syl's recent trip to California, the culture of tipping, and whether or not it's ok for men to pee sitting down. It's a whole lot of nothing but a whole lot of fun – we hope you enjoy this episode.
9 Oct 2026
Don't Hand Judgement to the Loudest Critics
In Episode 78 of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, former police chiefs Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir dive into the middle of leadership decisions and what happens when radical ideas hit unexpected wobbles. Kristen shares a story from her time as a police lieutenant, where giving officers the autonomy to choose their assignments based on their passions led to a massive 300% increase in performance – until an external disruption caused a temporary dip, giving an opportunity for a critical commander to push back. Reflecting on organizational trust, workplace autonomy, and leading without ego, Kristen and Sylvia dissect the crucial boundary between principle and pride, offering a masterclass on how leaders can navigate self-doubt, stay anchored to their core mission, and avoid handing their judgment over to their loudest critics (or their own pride).
25 Sept 2026
Never Purchase Loyalty
Episode 77, “Never Purchase Loyalty,” explores how leaders can create unhealthy loyalty by bonding with employees over shared grievances, especially complaints about other leaders. Kristin and Sylvia discuss why shared negativity can create a quick sense of connection, but also why that loyalty is conditional: if someone becomes loyal because you validate their complaints, they may turn on you when you eventually challenge them, set a boundary, or hold them accountable. They emphasize the difference between acknowledging someone's experience and endorsing their conclusions, encouraging leaders to listen carefully, ask what actually happened, take legitimate concerns seriously and redirect people toward resolving issues with the person involved. The episode also turns the mirror on leaders themselves, warning against enjoying the feeling of being the person everyone comes to complain to. The larger message is that trust should be built by making truth safe, even when it's complicated—not by using someone else's grievance to make them feel closer to you.
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