Use sound history to critique, rethink, and rebuild faith. A safe haven for anyone deconstructing evangelicalism, ex-evangelicals, or anyone spiritually restless. Hear from people who make valuable contributions to the conversation about deconstruction, spirituality, restorative justice, and rebuilding faith with love as a foundation.
Publisher
spiritualbrewpub, Michael Camp
Category
history · religion & spirituality · society & culture
What if Jesus and the ancient Chinese sage Lao Tzu (circa 400 BC) met beside a campfire? Michael interviews Gregory T. Smith on what that conversation might be like as Smith explains in his book, Jesus & Lao Tzu: The Way of Love. Jesus speaks of loving enemies, losing your life to find it, and becoming like a child. Lao Tzu answers with humility, simplicity, nonviolence, and the wisdom of letting go. Their traditions are not the same, but their teachings often meet in surprising places.
Learn from Smith how to bring the Gospels into conversation with the first thirty-seven verses of the Tao Te Ching, the foundational text of Taoism. Rather than blending the two belief systems, Smith lets each speak in its own voice—exploring where they resonate, where they differ, and how each can help us live with greater compassion, freedom, and love.
Find the book here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1964252970
Find Greg Smith's blog, Breathing Space, here: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/breathingspace/
17 Oct 2026
How to Save Yourself From Spiritual Narcissists
Becky Garrison joins Michael to discuss her new book, Gaslighting for God: A Satirical Guide to Save Yourself from Spiritual Narcissists. Per Becky's research, self-styled spiritual saviors are out hawking salvation and spiritually abusing church members. Why are such spiritual narcissists drawn to so many evangelical churches (and some progressive ones) and becoming small or mega-church pastors and self-proclaimed prophets and apostles? Becky reveals the tactics of gurus who weaponize faith to build empires, including sharing 7 types of spiritual narcissists.
But this isn’t just a takedown. With humor and grounded hope, Becky charts a path for disentangling from toxic dynamics and finding healthier spiritual spaces. Don't miss this critical conversation to help people expose control-freak faith leaders and find communities that truly nourish the soul.
Find the book here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GZ87X7QX
Learn more about Becky and here experience, expertise, and humor at: https://www.beckygarrison.com/
6 Oct 2026
10 Dangers of the New Apostolic Reformation
What is the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and how does it perpetuate toxic charismatic revivalism and Christian nationalism? Pia Hugo joins Michael to share her story of domestic and spiritual abuse within the church that helped start NAR. Learn how she got sucked in, suffered abuse, and eventually saw how evangelical teachings on wife submission, anti-divorce, corporal punishment, prophesy, and apostolic authority formed a dangerous cultic movement that misleads millions of people. Includes her experience in People of Destiny churches, Harvest Rock Church, and with NAR leader Che Ahn.
Find Pia's ministry to domestic and spiritual abuse survivors here:
https://piahugoministries.com/
Also see Pia's book, Rekindling the Smoldering Wick: Healing Wounds Left by Wolves, where she exposes the spiritual and emotional devastation caused by false shepherds within the Church. She unveils the truth behind these deceptions and offers a path to restoration.
https://www.amazon.com/Rekindling-Smoldering-Wick-Healing-Wounds/dp/B0FGLDLK4H
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