The Subtext

About The Subtext

A pop culture podcast from an internet expert, Savannah Locke & an ethics professor who doesn't own a cell phone, Lee C. Camp. On The Subtext, Savannah brings a pop-culture moment (celebrity drama, internet debates, viral shows), and together they ask a deeper question: why does any of this actually matter? Each week they dive into the headlines and investigate what they reveal about our culture, our theology, and the lives we’re living online. It’s a conversation between someone who lives very much on the internet and someone who lives mostly off of it, and that tension makes for surprisingly meaningful dialogue. Come listen as we go beneath the headlines and beyond the obvious.

Publisher

Tokens Media

Category

society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

19 Aug 2025

Latest episode

21 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

24 of 58 episodes have a transcript.

1. 

   21 Oct 2026

   Aslan is a Woman…Should You Care?

   **This episode was recorded before the release on the new trailer** Meryl Streep is the voice of Aslan in Greta Gerwig's Narnia adaptation. Is this a threat to Christian orthodoxy or another culture-war distraction? This week on The Subtext, Savannah and Lee discuss the casting controversy and dive into bigger questions about gender and how we imagine God. From C.S. Lewis' POV to feminine depictions of God in Scripture and church history, they explore what Christian humility, artistic freedom, and a more faithful public witness might look like. Things we mentioned in this episode: NARNIA: THE MAGICIAN’S NEPHEW | Official Trailer Hillbilly Thomists on No Small Endeavor Stephen Wilson Jr. - "billy" “Why You Should Care That Aslan is a Woman” by Liel Leibovitz Priestesses in the Church? by C.S. Lewis The Incomprehensibility of God and the Image of God Male and Female by Elizabeth A. Johnson William Paul Young on No Small Endeavor The Shack by William Paul Young Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth R. Miller The Crucifixion of the Warrior God by Gregory A. Boyd Cross Vision: How the Crucifixion of Jesus Makes Sense of Old Testament Violence by Gregory A. Boyd Where's Mommy - Gregory Boyd Follow The Subtext: Instagram | Threads | X | YouTube | TikTok Follow Lee: Instagram | Twitter | Lee's Newsletter Follow Savannah: Instagram | Substack Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2. 

   14 Oct 2026TRANSCRIPT

   The Separation of Church & Business

   Lee and Savannah explore problematic Christian wealth seminars, questioning if "kingdom impact" justifies expensive networking trips and the "kingdom washing" of capitalism.

3. 

   7 Oct 2026TRANSCRIPT

   Macklemore, Ed Sheeran, and Vanity Politics

   Lee and Savannah interview Dr. Queenie Johnson about Macklemore, Ed Sheeran, and the "vanity politics" driving controversy in the music industry.

Inside a recent episode

The Separation of Church & Business

Published 14 Oct 2026 · Transcript excerpt

[…] And so the emphasis there upon debt is, freedom from debt. You have in the book of Luke, this very insistent emphasis upon Jubilee, which goes back to Leviticus 25, which is saying you should make Sabbath a economic practice where that every seven years you forgive the loan. Every seven, seven years, the land is redistributed again so that everybody has a fair shake rather than somebody getting too much All right, so if we're talking about kingdom and business, okay, how are you going to do that kind of stuff? How are you going to practice jubilee kind of stuff? How are you going to practice Sabbath kind of economic practices and principles? […]

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Apple Podcasts (US)

4.9 / 5

73 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

70 ratings

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