In the Third Space we will discuss the good and the ugly in the Church. We will live in the grey—avoiding easy answers and black and white fundamentalism—in order to hold on to all that is true. <br/><br/><a href="https://www.catholicthirdspace.com?utm_medium=podcast">www.catholicthirdspace.com</a>

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In the Third Space we will discuss the good and the ugly in the Church. We will live in the grey—avoiding easy answers and black and white fundamentalism—in order to hold on to all that is true. <br/><br/><a href="https://www.catholicthirdspace.com?utm_medium=podcast">www.catholicthirdspace.com</a>
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Recent Episodes

June 15, 2026
41: Marcus Mescher - Liberation Theology
<p>Today I’m resharing the first of a two-part series from the first season of Third Space. This is a conversation I had with Dr. Marcus Mescher about liberation theology and what it means to have a preferential option for survivors. I think what Marcus presents here can help us understand some of Pope Leo’s background and vision for the Church. </p><p>Also, I wanted to share that I have a new self-paced online course about spiritual abuse in the Catholic Church. This course will help you recognize spiritual abuse in the Catholic Church; know the symptoms of spiritual abuse, religious trauma, and moral injury; and better identify spiritually abusive systems. The course includes access to a private online community where you can connect and share resources with others who have gone through this course.</p><p>Check out the course here: </p><p>https://www.catholicthirdspace.com/p/new-self-paced-online-course-about</p><p>This is Part One of a two-part conversation with Dr. Marcus Mescher. In the first part of the conversation we discuss Liberation Theology, its origins, development, and relationship with the universal Church. We also spend time reflecting on the life and work of the Dominican theologian, Gustavo Gutiérrez. In Part-Two, we will dive into the Church’s teaching on the preferential options for the poor, exploring its roots in Scripture as well as its relationship to the Ordo Amoris. From there we discussed the importance of the Church having a “preferential options for survivors” and what living that out could look like on an institutional and personal level. I really loved this conversation and I hope you enjoy it as well.</p><p>Dr. Marcus Mescher is associate professor of Christian ethics. He holds a Ph.D. from Boston College and specializes in Catholic social teaching and moral formation. His research and writing concentrate in the following areas: human dignity and rights; social/environmental justice for the global common good; how moral agency is impacted by cultural context and digital technology; the moral dimensions of friendship; sexual justice and the ethics of marriage and family life; liberation theology and inclusive solidarity; healing the psychological, spiritual, social, and moral harm caused by clergy abuse. Dr. Mescher has written dozens of popular and academic articles. His current research and writing focus on mental health and moral injury.</p><p>LINKS:</p><p>Measuring & Exploring Moral Injury Caused by Clergy Sexual Abuse<a target="_blank" href="https://www.xavier.edu/moral-injury-report/">https://www.xavier.edu/moral-injury-report/</a></p><p>“Moral Injury and Clerical Sexual Abuse” PFG podcast with Marcus Mescher<a target="_blank" href="https://www.catholicthirdspace.com/p/marcus-mescher-moral-injury-and-clerical">https://www.catholicthirdspace.com/p/marcus-mescher-moral-injury-and-clerical</a></p><p>The Liberation Theology Podcasthttps://open.spotify.com/episode/7rloQVzrrwM3WSp2OxRviY?si=04fe4a3646a9441b</p><p>Accountability, Healing, and Trust: Interdisciplinary Reflections for Ministry in the Midst of the Catholic Sex Abuse Crisis<a target="_blank" href="https://litpress.org/Products/8897/Accountability-Healing-and-Trust">https://litpress.org/Products/8897/Accountability-Healing-and-Trust</a></p><p>Awake Blog<a target="_blank" href="https://www.awakecommunity.org/blog">https://www.awakecommunity.org/blog</a></p><p>ABOUT THIRD SPACE: Third Space is the podcast for those who see the beauty of Catholicism, as well as the ugliness, who have experienced real harm AND real grace in the Church. Every episode I will have conversations with guests about the good and the bad in the Church—avoiding easy answers or black & white fundamentalism—in order to hold on to all that is true.</p><p>SUPPORT THIS SHOW: Please consider becoming a paid subscriber. All of your support directly helps my family and allows me to continue working on projects like this podcast, the newsletter, as well as resources about spiritual abuse in the Catholic Church.</p><p>www.catholicthirdspace.com</p><p>LIVING SOLIDARITY: Living Solidarity upholds the infinite dignity of every person by addressing the reality of spiritual abuse and abuse of conscience in the Catholic Church. Living Solidarity helps to build a Church of integrity and solidarity by accompanying survivors of spiritual abuse with trauma-informed life coaching; equipping Church leaders and institutions to confront systemic harm; and creating resources grounded in psychological research and the Church’s Social Teaching. Visit <a target="_blank" href="http://livingsolidarity.com/">livingsolidarity.com</a> to learn more, to connect with Paul, to schedule individual life coaching, or to invite Paul to speak or consult with your community, parish, seminary, or diocese.</p><p>ABOUT THE HOST: Paul Fahey is currently a professional counselor, retreat leader, and the host of the Third Space podcast. He provides counseling for those who have been spiritually abused and creates resources for Church leaders to better safeguard their communities against all forms of abuse. He previously worked for eight years as the Director of Religious Education at a Catholic parish. Paul Fahey lives in Michigan with his wife, Kristina, and their five kids.</p><p><p>Third Space is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></p><p></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Third Space at <a href="https://www.catholicthirdspace.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">www.catholicthirdspace.com/subscribe</a>

June 11, 2026
Leo Live 5!
Host Sarah Carter and guest Ricardo Simmonds discuss Pope Leo XIV's encyclical on AI and safeguarding humanity, exploring technology's neutrality and the Church's dialogue with the world.

June 1, 2026
40: Esther Harber - Closest to the Heart of Jesus
Host Paul Fahey interviews Esther Harber about her journey of faith, healing from spiritual abuse, and advocating for survivors within the Catholic Church.
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