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We recorded this episode BEFORE the engagement announcement. See our emergency episode on the Taylore podcast feed.Diving into Taylor Swift Theories and OriginsIn this episode of Older and Wilder, Joy and Claire delve into the fascinating world of Taylor Swift, discussing her career, cultural impact, and fan theories. They explore various topics including Taylor's transition from country to pop and Taylor's business acumen in marketing and branding. The hosts also engage in a detailed discussion about the symbolism of Ophelia from Hamlet and its potential connection to Swift’s latest album cover. They touch upon the fan-driven conspiracy theories and the phenomenon of Easter eggs in Taylor Swift’s work, providing insights into the singer's strategy and the fervor of her dedicated fanbase.03:06 Taylor Swift: A Deep Dive04:23 Claire's Pop Culture Preferences06:03 Taylor Swift's Evolution and Impact10:02 Personal Taylor Swift Stories23:13 Taylor Swift's Business Acumen26:31 The Evolution of Taylor Swift's Concerts27:32 Taylor Swift's Intimate Fan Engagements28:33 Maintaining an Approachable Image30:11 Taylor Swift's Strategic Marketing Genius31:16 Ophelia Symbolism in Taylor Swift's Work35:47 Analyzing Taylor Swift's Easter Eggs49:50 Theories and Speculations
21 Aug 2025
Taylor Swift and Moab Moves
Moving to Moab, Taylor Swift's Easter Eggs, and Managing Finances with Your PartnerIn this episode of the Older and Wiser podcast, hosts Joy and Claire kick off the episode with lively discussions about various topics. They share an update on their upcoming move to Moab, discussing the real estate market and their plans to rent out their current home. The conversation then shifts to Taylor Swift's recent album release, her appearance on the New Heights Podcast, and the intricate web of Easter eggs her fans analyze. Finally, the hosts answer a listener's question about how they manage their finances with their partners, comparing their different approaches to handling joint and separate accounts. Join in for an engaging chat about life updates, pop culture, and practical relationship advice.01:14 Episode Agenda and Topics01:55 Moving to Moab03:22 Real Estate Market Insights05:11 Renting Out the House07:07 Concerns About the Move08:36 Kids' School Transition10:20 Taylor Swift's New Album11:55 Taylor Swift's Podcast Appearance16:42 Criticism and Public Perception20:41 Podcast Review and Final Thoughts25:21 Desiring More Personal Insights26:02 Podcast Easter Egg Idea26:55 Taylor Swift on the Podcast30:23 Peru Trip Updates34:10 Listener Question: Managing Finances in Marriage
14 Aug 2025
Pop Culture & Personal Growth
In this episode of Older and Wilder, hosts Joy and Claire catch up on a range of topics, from Claire's work-from-home experience in Moab to Joy's upcoming birthday plans and gift ideas. They discuss hair plans, including a trip to Norm's barbershop, and dive into a candid chat about workout routines, including Joy's Peloton sessions and Scott's dedication to Orange Theory. The conversation shifts to entertainment, with Joy recommending Mark Maron's HBO special 'Panicked' and cautioning against watching 'The Hunting Wives.' They also touch on Joy's positive experience with hormone replacement therapy and the benefits it has brought to her workouts. Finally, the hosts share laughs over travel mishaps and the joys of dog class with Joy’s adorable pup, Lilas.00:19 Moab Adventures and Hair Plans06:34 Back to School Season12:42 Birthday Season and Gift Ideas13:30 Swimsuit Shopping and Upcoming Trip15:57 Hair and Beauty Updates20:19 TV Show Reviews: The Hunting Wives26:21 Podcast Recommendations29:40 Improv Comedy and Divorce Shows31:49 Mark Marin's HBO Special35:55 Scott's Orange Theory Obsession37:33 Frontier Airlines Dilemma43:12 Home Gym vs. CrossFit50:29 Hormone Replacement Therapy Benefits54:18 Cute Dog Moments
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129: How Your Attachment Style Affects Your Relationships
Published 2 Jun 2022 · Transcript excerpt
[…] If it's a secure parent, it's a safe voice. It's a safe feeling. If it's an anxious parent or an absent parent, we bring that in. And that's why when you're co -regulating or you're picking people to heal with now, you start internalizing them. So you start to replace, I call it your inner community, but you start to internalize healthier people. So you can think, okay, maybe I don't have the words for myself right now, but what would someone so say to me right now? How would it feel to be next to them? And you kind of rebuild what you didn't get. You kind of just build that inner security again with the right people now. […]
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