Exploring threats to global stability from Ukraine to China to the Middle East with host Gavin Esler – former BBC News presenter, Washington correspondent and host of Newsnight – plus Ukraine-based war reporter Oz Katerji and independent conflict analyst Emma Beals. This Is Not A Drill dives deep into the dangers, corruption, conflicts, disinformation, rivalries and ruthless realpolitik that are making our world ever more dangerous. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon from just £3 per month to get each episode early plus bonus material and exclusive merchandise. From Podmasters, the team behind Oh God, What Now?, Paper Cuts and The Bunker.

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Exploring threats to global stability from Ukraine to China to the Middle East with host Gavin Esler – former BBC News presenter, Washington correspondent and host of Newsnight – plus Ukraine-based war reporter Oz Katerji and independent conflict analyst Emma Beals. This Is Not A Drill dives deep into the dangers, corruption, conflicts, disinformation, rivalries and ruthless realpolitik that are making our world ever more dangerous. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon from just £3 per month to get each episode early plus bonus material and exclusive merchandise. From Podmasters, the team behind Oh God, What Now?, Paper Cuts and The Bunker.
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Recent Episodes

July 16, 2026
Is the “True European Army” coming? – Macron, France and the future of European defence
Gavin Esler interviews Sophie Pedder, Paris bureau chief at The Economist, about Emmanuel Macron's vision for European defense and the potential for a "True European Army" amidst evolving security challenges.

July 10, 2026
Inside the NATO conference – A breakdown from Ankara
Oz Katerji interviews Ed Arnold, Senior Associate Fellow at RUSI, about the NATO conference in Ankara and the alliance's future amid US commitment questions and Russian threats.

July 2, 2026
Expensive Lessons – What America vs Iran taught us about modern warfare
Host Gavin Esler interviews Middle East historian Dr. Neda Bolourchi about the costly lessons learned from modern warfare, particularly concerning the US-Iran conflict and its global implications.
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