014: On #JLoIRL, Bennifer, Having White Husbands, & The Sexiest Accents
On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud Jamie and Lo join literally everyone else in the world in talking about the only pop-culture moment the matters: the return of Bennifer (0:06) and then take a listener question & Try Saying That moment about having a white husband in America (0:11). Really, that was the question. This episode’s “Lo, I wanna know…” is Lo literally a meme. No one: Lo: HERE IS EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT TEA So, have fun listening to the content no one aske...
6 May 2021
013: On Filters, Derek Chauvin, Problematic Publishers & Period Pain
On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud Jamie and Lo briefly talk about Instagram filters before transitioning into the heavy shit: the Derek Chauvin trial and the killing of Ma’khia Bryant (0:03). They also chat for a bit about the recent culture struggle surrounding book publisher, Simon & Schuster (0:16). Then, on this segment of “Lo, I wanna know…” she answers a listener question about what to do about period pain (0:29), and before going into her Enneagram Deep Dive, Jamie & ...
15 Apr 2021
012: On Life After COVID, Khloe Kardashian, The Downfall of Rachel Hollis, & Deacon King Kong
On this episode, Jamie and Lo talk about life after COVID and the joys of the grocery store. Then they address the Khloe Kardashian photo editing fiasco (0:09) and problematic Rachel fucking Hollis (0:24). Then, Jamie fills in some of the gaps of their prior gun control conversation with thoughts sent in by one of her old friends from law school (:30). “Lo I wanna know…” touches on how much water you should really be drinking and what’s the real deal behind the Apple Cider Vinegar craze (0:4...
1 Apr 2021
011: On Moving Forward with The Bachelor, Gun Control, Racist Real Estate, & #TeamErica
On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud, Jamie & Lo have one final debrief of Matt James’ season of The Bachelor and discuss how not excited they are for Katie’s season of The Bachelorette. Then, the tone shifts as the ladies talk about gun control in the wake of the supermarket shooting in Boulder, as well as the shooting in Georgia that targeted Asian-American women (0:20). In the span of a week, 18 American lives were lost. They try to make sense of arguments against banning assaul...
18 Mar 2021
010: On Royal Haters, Exploiting Matt James, Social Media Battles, Energy Eats, & Emotional Cheating
On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud, Jamie and Lo white girl “cannot” with the royal haters OR the producers of the Bachelor that so blatantly exploited Matt James for their own benefit (00:16). Then, the conversation takes a vulnerable turn as Lo introduces her /Try Saying That/ moment, which speaks to the toxicity that can be social media, especially as it concerns performative allyship, “mean girls,” and cancel culture (00:22). It was a terrifying conversation to have but as Jamie ...
On this episode of Try Saying That Out Loud, Jamie and Lo unpack Bachelor contestant Rachel Kirkconnell’s Instagram apology & talk about performative allyship, especially for those in the public eye. Then Jamie gets vulnerable about self-esteem in her first, but undoubtedly not the last, Try Saying THAT moment of the month (:30). “Lo, I wanna know…” kicks off with a question about anxiety-friendly foods (:48), & then Lo has her very own reckoning, as Jamie does her Enneagram 7 deep di...
18 Feb 2021
008: On Gen Z, Grease Curtains, Safe Travels, Ketogenic Diets & Bachelor Nation
On this episode, Jamie and Lo laugh about how one day Gen Z will get it and also about Lo’s most horrifying hair fail (00:02:37). She trusts those of you that let her do that slightly less than before and you know who you are. Then, Lo unpacks the irony of returning to a “simpler life” (i.e. the equestrian world) and what a privileged position she finds herself in while Jamie similarly unpacks privilege but: travel edition (00:04:21 & 00:15:30, respectively). This episode’s wellness...
4 Feb 2021
007: On Plantation Shutters, The Gut & Mental Health, J’s Serial Killer Trait & Amanda Fucking Gorman
On this episode, Jamie and Lo totally fuck up the introduction for the first—but definitely not the last—time and lament about what must be their incredible self-awareness because even though there are twice as many of them, Try Saying That Out Loud moments are not hard to come by 🙃. Jamie reflects on her plantation wedding and Lo on the privilege associated with health and wellness (in this case: intermittent fasting). This week’s health topic is around the gut and mental health and it’s T...
22 Jan 2021
006: On the World’s Greatest Wine Filter, January 6th, Anti-Inflammatory Diets & J’s Big Reckoning
In this episode, Jamie and Lo reflect on January 6, 2021 and what will be forever remembered as one of the more horrifying moments in United States history. The realities of America are harsh and there is so much work left to be done. Then they pivot into Lo’s new health and wellness segment wherein she takes listener questions and deep dives into some important nutrition topics. Reminder: she is not yet a nutrition professional, so any and all recommendations/guidance are purely based upon h...
6 Jan 2021
005: Richard, Horse Girls, Farm Porn and Mormon Mommy Bloggers
On this episode, Jamie and Lo talk about Jamie's parenting journey...with sourdough starter, how Lo is relaxing these days, and very briefly about Mormon Mommy Bloggers because it is too terrifying to talk about at length (see here and note that Lo wisely comments that Mormonism probably shouldn't exclusively bear the brunt and that there is probably this level of crazy just about everywhere but… alas, we are here). Later, Jamie does a deep dive into enneagram type 9 and they try to figure ...
10 Dec 2020
004: On Inconveniencing Men (*gasp*), Maternal Instincts, and Saying Sionara to Sugar.
Drink when we say COVID (or CNN). In this episode, Jamie & Lo talk way too much about corona & pretend they know all the things about vaccinations. Lo laments about love in the time of COVID. She shares what she has learned about marital spats & the division of labor in the middle of a pandemic, while Jamie kicks a sugar habit & talks about her health journey. Both of them discuss their maternal instincts, or lack thereof. Jamie does a deep dive of Enneagram Type 1...
19 Nov 2020
003: On the Election, Continuing the Work with White Women, and Moving Mid-Pandemic?!
In this episode, Jamie and Lo recount their reactions to the outcome of the contentious 2020 Presidential election and reflect on their emotions surrounding the current state of the U.S. Lo discusses what it feels like to move mid-Pandemic and doesn't remember what she read in October. Jamie, on the other hand, has a favorite of the month that she highly recommends.
29 Oct 2020
BONUS: Interview with Carter Sickels, author of The Prettiest Star
We were SO thrilled to sit down with Carter Sickels, the author of one of our favorite novels this year, The Prettiest Star. Carter is as thoughtful in person as you would imagine and we so enjoyed the few minutes we got to chat with him. The interview does contain some spoilers so if you haven't read this novel, waste no time. You will NOT regret picking this one up.
1 Oct 2020
002: On Mars Day, Breonna Taylor, Human Software Upgrades and the Moon + Your Period
In Episode 002 we discuss climate change and the fires in California, the frustrating ruling in Breonna Taylor’s case from a legal perspective, when to expect a human software upgrade (thank you, Gwyenth Paltrow), the crazy shit the planets are up to for the last quarter of the year and lladddiieesss… how the moon may affect your cycle. Yep. Cycles on cycles. Also, the enneagram. There is a conundrum happening, you’ll want to stay tuned.
3 Sept 2020
001: On Not Parenting, Deep Privilege and Face Reading
Jamie and Lo talk in-depth about quarantine brain and “collective trauma”, how a recent book they both read lead them to uncover even more white privilege, all served up with sides of astrology, enneagram, Indian Matchmaking, and what they are excited to read in September.
3 Aug 2020
Here we go...
What can we say, we love a teaser. Stay tuned for the first episode out September 3, 2020... until then: learn the story behind the name and what you can expect from our chats moving forward.
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