We are two lesbians that like to talk about all things true crime! We cover all things from LGBTQ+ and heterosexual murders and murderers to unsolved cases and everything in between! We try our best to make the conversation light without being disrespectful to the victims or their families. We want to bring these cases to light so that more people can know about them. Have a case that you would like to hear? Reach out to us and we would love to look more into it! We are so happy you are here and we hope you enjoy listening to Two Lesbians Talk Murder!
Episode #5 Lollie Winans and Julie Williams PART TWO
We FINALLY finish the two part story of the murders of Lollie Winans and Julie Williams. Two women who were found murdered at their campsite along the Appalachian Trail. All leads fizzled out, a suspect was determined not the perpetrator and the case went cold. Find out if we catch the murderer on this week's episode Two Lesbians Talk Murder!
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References:
https://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/features/murder-woods-shenandoah-national-park/
https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/doublemurderinsnp/thevictims
https://www.fbi.gov/?came_from=https%3A//www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/laura-winans
https://queeradventurers.com/lesbian-hikers-murder-video/
https://www.12onyourside.com/2021/06/01/shenandoah-national-park-murders-years-later/
https://www.strangeoutdoors.com/true-crime-in-the-outdoors/2020/1shenandoah-national-park-murders#google_vignette
https://wset.com/news/local/25-years-later-police-still-looking-for-who-murdered-these-women-in-shenandoah-national-park
https://www.fbi.gov/?came_from=https%3A//www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/julianne-williams
https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Julianne_Williams_and_Laura_Winans
https://www.wvtf.org/news/2022-04-20/new-book-sheds-light-on-shenandoah-park-murders
https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/books-media/shenandoah-murders-trailed-kathryn-miles-queer-women-outdoors/?scope=anon
https://www.amazon.com/Trailed-Womans-Quest-Shenandoah-Murders/dp/1616209097
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-2-women-killed-shenandoah-national-park-serial-rapist-linked-d-rcna158164
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/walter-l-jackson-sr
https://theriver953.com/tag/walter-leo-jackson-senior/
10 Jan 2026
UPDATE!
We are back (for real this time!) and are better than ever! We have a schedule so our episodes will be more consistent and we can't wait to start sharing these stories with you all. Our main goal is to talk about the victims and give them the respect that they deserve. Thank you for sticking by us, we are so grateful for you all!
15 Sept 2025
Episode #4 Lollie Winans and Julie Williams PART ONE
Lollie and Julie grew up very differently, but shared the same values. Although it was hard being in a same sex relationship, that didn't stop their love from growing strong. They were two outdoor enthusiasts whose lives were cut short in the place that made them feel the safest. They were out hiking the Appalachian Trail, celebrating Julie's new job when tragedy hit. Was it a hate crime? Do the authorities have the man power to find who did this to them? Find out this week on Two Lesbians Talk Murder!
Have a case you want to hear? Send it to us at: twolesbianstalkmurder@gmail.com
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References:
https://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/features/murder-woods-shenandoah-national-park/
https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/doublemurderinsnp/thevictims
https://www.fbi.gov/?came_from=https%3A//www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/laura-winans
https://queeradventurers.com/lesbian-hikers-murder-video/
https://www.12onyourside.com/2021/06/01/shenandoah-national-park-murders-years-later/
https://www.strangeoutdoors.com/true-crime-in-the-outdoors/2020/1shenandoah-national-park-murders#google_vignette
https://wset.com/news/local/25-years-later-police-still-looking-for-who-murdered-these-women-in-shenandoah-national-park
https://www.fbi.gov/?came_from=https%3A//www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/julianne-williams
https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Julianne_Williams_and_Laura_Winans
https://www.wvtf.org/news/2022-04-20/new-book-sheds-light-on-shenandoah-park-murders
https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/books-media/shenandoah-murders-trailed-kathryn-miles-queer-women-outdoors/?scope=anon
https://www.amazon.com/Trailed-Womans-Quest-Shenandoah-Murders/dp/1616209097
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-2-women-killed-shenandoah-national-park-serial-rapist-linked-d-rcna158164
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/walter-l-jackson-sr
https://theriver953.com/tag/walter-leo-jackson-senior/
17 May 2025
Episode #3 Britney Cosby and Crystal Jackson
The hosts of Two Lesbians Talk Murder examine the tragic murder of Britney Cosby and Crystal Jackson, exploring potential motives and whether it was a hate crime in this interview episode.
Tracey's life was not an easy one. Filled with abuse, assault and everything in between, she tried to make the best out of what she had. She had a job, a home and a partner that loved her...so how did she end of killing someone? Find out on this weeks episode of TLTM!
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References:
https://morbidology.com/the-lesbian-vampire-murder-of-edward-baldock/ (https://morbidology.com/the-lesbian-vampire-murder-of-edward-baldock/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracey_Wigginton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracey_Wigginton)
https://youtu.be/ocvfKhAs6YI (https://youtu.be/ocvfKhAs6YI)
https://deadlywomen.fandom.com/wiki/Tracey_Wigginton (https://deadlywomen.fandom.com/wiki/Tracey_Wigginton)
https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-news-vampire-killer-tracey-wigginton-facebook-posts/09282693-2a38-4a28-b774-e4e13ce75528 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-news-vampire-killer-tracey-wigginton-facebook-posts/09282693-2a38-4a28-b774-e4e13ce75528)
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/lesbian-vampire-killer-who-drank-victims-blood/news-story/09102844937bc5d7f8ae57a6ecaa7d23 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/lesbian-vampire-killer-who-drank-victims-blood/news-story/09102844937bc5d7f8ae57a6ecaa7d23)
https://www.reddit.com/r/brisbane/comments/ojd8kk/in_1989_24year_old_tracey_wigginton_the_lesbian/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/brisbane/comments/ojd8kk/in_1989_24year_old_tracey_wigginton_the_lesbian/)
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/save-me-from-my-killer-sister-tracey-wigginton/news-story/395d56d8e79d7242ea1d162c49ce29ce (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/save-me-from-my-killer-sister-tracey-wigginton/news-story/395d56d8e79d7242ea1d162c49ce29ce)
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/crime-week-dark-secrets-of-australias-lesbian-vampire-murderer/news-story/83ed596770511fa459c4a7feab36ce1c (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/crime-week-dark-secrets-of-australias-lesbian-vampire-murderer/news-story/83ed596770511fa459c4a7feab36ce1c)
6 Jan 2024
Episode #1 The Hart Family
Jennifer and Sarah Hart looked like they had it all. Six beautiful adopted children, lots of friends and a social media following that showcased their "perfect family." Little by little their facade began to fall away and no amount of running could keep the truth from coming out.
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References:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/us/family-drives-off-cliff-jennifer-sarah-hart.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/us/family-drives-off-cliff-jennifer-sarah-hart.html)
https://www.grunge.com/720128/disturbing-details-found-in-jennifer-and-sarah-harts-autopsy-reports/ (https://www.grunge.com/720128/disturbing-details-found-in-jennifer-and-sarah-harts-autopsy-reports/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_family_murders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_family_murders)
https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/hartfamily/hart,%20sarah_report.pdf (https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/hartfamily/hart,%20sarah_report.pdf)
https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/hartfamily/hart,%20jennifer_report.pdf (https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/hartfamily/hart,%20jennifer_report.pdf)
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