A liberation manual for queer leaders, code-switching chameleons, and recovering good girls ready to lead without losing themselves.
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In this episode, Elena Joy sits down with Hanna Miller, founder of Conscience-Driven Leadership, for a conversation that keeps arriving at the same truth from two very different lives. Elena built her map through Signal and Static, and core values. Hanna built hers through the circus, horses, and conscience. They meet in the middle on burnout, intuition, and what it actually takes to lead like a human inside systems that often reward the opposite.
Along the way: why anxiety is sometimes the clearest signal in the room, how to tell your intuition apart from your distortions, the drama triangle as a sign you've lost the plot, and what a trembling koala in a field of stumps can teach us about the burnout so many leaders are carrying right now. For the managers stuck in the messy middle who feel like they can't quit and can't keep going, Hanna and Elena name the unspoken thing and point toward where your agency actually lives.
Warm, honest, and a little rebellious. Come get your rooftop perspective.
Links
Get Hanna's book, Trust Physics:
https://www.consciencedrivenleadership.com/trust-physics-ebook (https://www.consciencedrivenleadership.com/trust-physics-ebook)
Learn more about Hanna's work:
https://www.consciencedrivenleadership.com/resources (https://www.consciencedrivenleadership.com/resources)
Hanna's podcast episode on boundaries:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2570370/episodes/18824611-distortions-part-2-boundary-and-approval (https://www.buzzsprout.com/2570370/episodes/18824611-distortions-part-2-boundary-and-approval)
Chat with Elena Joy:
https://chatwithelenajoy.com/ (https://chatwithelenajoy.com/)
Connect with Elena Joy:
Substack: https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com/ (https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com/)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elenajoythurston/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/elenajoythurston/)
https://LatitudeLeaders.com (https://LatitudeLeaders.com)
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elenajoyspeaks.substack.com (https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
27 May 2026
Gen Z Called Out Again. Now What?
"Why doesn't Gen Z have a work ethic?!"
We hear that time and time again. It turns out, Gen Z actually does have a work ethic. And they're also one of the first generations to hold a genuine capacity and ability to prioritize their mental well-being. Elena explains that by creating a system based on data, compassion, and accountability rather than blame and frustration, Alex and Brayden were able to solve an issue with most of their employees calling out from their shifts 25% of the time.
If your organization could use some highly-skilled middle managers, let's talk. You can book a time at https://latitudeleaders.com/contact (https://latitudeleaders.com/contact)
Connect with Elena Joy:
Substack: https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com/ (https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com/)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elenajoythurston/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/elenajoythurston/)
https://LatitudeLeaders.com (https://LatitudeLeaders.com)
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elenajoyspeaks.substack.com (https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
16 Apr 2026
The Bathroom Stall Strategy
Free Networking Cheat Sheet: https://latitudeleaders.com/networkingcheatsheet (https://latitudeleaders.com/networkingcheatsheet)
49 HR conferences in 2023. Elena takes everything she learned in that year and breaks it down into three ways you can show up more authentically as yourself at your next event.
Three Words Away: https://latitudeleaders.com/threewordsaway (https://latitudeleaders.com/threewordsawayy<p>Connect)
Connect with Elena Joy Thurston on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elenajoythurston (https://www.linkedin.com/in/elenajoythurston/)/
UnBecoming with Elena Joy on Substack: https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com/ (https://elenajoyspeaks.substack.com/)
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