Welcome to the Uncertain Pathfinders or UP podcast, the show where we invite listeners to "Invite Uncertainty" and "Unlock Possibility." We all know that the only certainty in life is Uncertainty (with a capital "U"--let's give Uncertainty its due respect). On this show it's our goal to befriend Uncertainty and treat it with a positive growth mindset. Uncertainty could mean disaster....it could also mean opportunity. We will hear from individuals from all walks of life to learn more about how they approach Uncertainty, as well as hearing them share personal experiences of what the process of Uncertainty was for them in the moment. Let's Press Play Together!
🎙️ 歡迎來到（Uncertain Pathfinders，簡稱 UP）Podcast
這是一個邀請聽眾 「邀請不確定」 與 「解鎖新可能」 的節目。
我們都知道，人生唯一的確定，就是「不確定」。（既然如此，就讓我們給這個大寫的「不確定」應有的尊重。）
在這個節目中，我們的目標是與「不確定」交朋友，並以正向成長的心態去面對它。
因為不確定，也許意味著危機……但同時，它也可能代表著機會。
在這裡，你將聽到來自各行各業的真實聲音，分享他們如何面對「不確定」，以及他們在當下經歷這段過程時的心路歷程。
🎧 讓我們一起 Press Play！
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Welcome to the Uncertain Pathinders (UP) podcast, where we ask listeners, guests, and co-hosts to invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility! On this episode, Jeffrey (aka the "Octopus of Doom") is joined in the studio by guest co-host (and previous podcast guest), Cory (aka the "Stoic Stallion"), as they invite longtime UP book club participant, Alf (aka "Alfonso Bonzo") to share his stories and view of Uncertainty with listeners. (中文往下）
A lover of Nature, authentic relating, and creating social gatherings, Alf has been joining the UP book club shortly after its inception. A native of Australia, Alf talks about his journey (both internal and external), and what took him to and from Taiwan. Amongst topics on this episode, we touch on internal family systems (IFS), self-congruence vs. cognitive dissonance, the maze of finding the perfect toilet, finding solace at lucha libra wrestling matches, and the world of discovery that comes with exploring decaying roadkill (and moths!).
Links related to this episode and UP:
UP's website (https://uncertainpathfinders.com/)
UP's instagram (https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpathfinders/)
Moth's of the World: A Natural History (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moths-World-Natural-History-Family/dp/0691248281)
More on Authentic Relating (https://authenticrelating.co/what-is-ar/)
More on Lucha Libre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucha_Libre_AAA_Worldwide)
If this episode resonates with you, welcome to contact UP and join us as a guest to share your story of Uncertainty, reach out to us for 1-1 coaching, or invite us to your organization to lead a workshop for your team! As always, welcome to leave a comment and share your thoughts: https://open.firstory.fm/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments (https://open.firstory.fm/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments)
歡迎收聽 Uncertain Pathfinders（UP）Podcast！在這個節目中，我們邀請聽眾、來賓和共同主持人一起擁抱不確定性，解鎖新可能！
這一集，Jeffrey（綽號「末日章魚」Octopus of Doom）邀請了特別共同主持人 Cory（綽號「斯多葛種馬」Stoic Stallion，也是之前節目的來賓）一起進錄音室，與長期參與 UP 讀書會的 Alf（綽號「Alfonso Bonzo」）聊聊他的生命故事，以及他如何看待不確定性。
Alf 熱愛大自然、真誠連結（Authentic Relating），也喜歡舉辦各種社交聚會。從 UP 讀書會創立不久後，他就一直是我們的忠實成員。來自澳洲的 Alf，在這一集中分享了自己一路走來的旅程，包括內在的探索與外在的冒險，以及那些讓他來到台灣、離開台灣的生命轉折。
這集的話題豐富又充滿驚喜！我們聊到了內在家庭系統（IFS）、自我一致性與認知失調之間的差異、尋找完美廁所的迷宮之旅、在墨西哥自由式摔角（Lucha Libre）比賽中找到的心靈慰藉，以及探索路邊腐爛動物屍體（還有飛蛾！）所帶來的奇妙發現。
本集相關連結及 UP 資訊：
UP 官方網站 (https://uncertainpathfinders.com/)
UP Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpathfinders/)
《Moths of the World: A Natural History》（世界飛蛾自然史） (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moths-World-Natural-History-Family/dp/0691248281)
認識 Authentic Relating（真誠連結） (https://authenticrelating.co/what-is-ar/)
認識 Lucha Libre（墨西哥自由式摔角） (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucha_Libre_AAA_Worldwide)
如果這一集讓你有所共鳴，歡迎聯繫 UP！無論是想成為節目來賓，分享你與不確定性共處的故事；希望透過一對一教練（1-on-1 Coaching）探索自己的方向；或是邀請我們到你的組織，為團隊帶領一場工作坊，我們都非常期待與你交流！
一如往常，也歡迎在下方留言，與我們分享你的想法和感受！
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21 Sept 2026
Uncertainty in the Fog (with Coach George)
Welcome to another episode of the Uncertain Pathfiners (UP) podcast, where we ask listeners, guests, and hosts to invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility. On this episode, we asked previous guest, Lydia Huang, to cohost with UP founder, Jeffrey Schwab, as we invited "Coach George" into the studio. 中文往下👇
This episode was one that touched on many topics closely related to HR, job searching, "finding our way in the fog," and how we define a "good career." George is someone who has pivoted a number of times, leaving behind a well-paying job in the tech industry to embrace a fully-remote career of coaching, workshops, and promoting his book "Data-Driven Job Search." Both George and Lydia are truly Uncertain Pathfinders, as they forge their own ways through the fog and help others embrace "atypical" career paths through the valuable work that they do in HR and talent development.
Links related to the episode:
Uncertain Pathfinders Website (https://uncertainpathfinders.com/)
Uncertain Pathfinders IG (https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpathfinders/)
George's Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgechan3/)
Lydia's Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/itslydiahuang/)
HR Room of Requirment人資萬應室 (https://www.linkedin.com/company/hrrr/posts/)
Peaks and Valleys (book) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1501108085?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallback)
量化求職（George的書） (https://www.eslite.com/product/10012011762683100156006?srsltid=AU7gw4VnqdZ6YQvBywJg44KLv1N1tDMg2hnnFWqq8muNskvPXsaJmUku)
As always, thank you for listening. Make sure to reach out if you are interested in joining the podcast, or if you are searching for 1-1 career or life coaching related to Uncertainties you may be facing, Also welcome to leave a comment and share your thoughts: https://open.firstory.fm/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments (https://open.firstory.fm/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments)
歡迎收聽新一集的 Uncertain Pathfinders（UP）Podcast！在這個節目中，我們邀請聽眾、來賓和主持人一起主動擁抱不確定性，解鎖新可能。
這一集，我們邀請曾經來到節目上的 Lydia Huang 再次回歸，與 UP 創辦人 Jeffrey Schwab 一起擔任共同主持人，並邀請大家熟悉的 「喬治教練 Coach George」來到錄音室！
中文往下👇
這一集聊到了許多與 HR、人資、求職、「如何在迷霧中找到自己的路」，以及**我們如何定義一份「好的職涯」**息息相關的話題。
George 的職涯曾經歷過多次轉換。他選擇離開科技業待遇優渥的工作，走向全遠端的職涯模式，投入教練、工作坊，以及推廣自己的著作《量化求職 Data-Driven Job Search》。
George 和 Lydia 都是真正的 Uncertain Pathfinders。他們用自己的方式在迷霧中開路，同時也透過在人資與人才發展領域的工作，幫助更多人看見並擁抱那些**「非典型」的職涯道路**。
本集相關連結：
Uncertain Pathfinders 官方網站 (https://uncertainpathfinders.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com)
Uncertain Pathfinders Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpathfinders/?utm_source=chatgpt.com)
George 的 LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgechan3/?utm_source=chatgpt.com)
Lydia 的 LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/itslydiahuang/?utm_source=chatgpt.com)
HR Room of Requirement 人資萬應室 (https://www.linkedin.com/company/hrrr/posts/?utm_source=chatgpt.com)
《Peaks and Valleys》 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1501108085?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallback&utm_source=chatgpt.com)
《量化求職》（George 的書） (https://www.eslite.com/product/10012011762683100156006?srsltid=AU7gw4VnqdZ6YQvBywJg44KLv1N1tDMg2hnnFWqq8muNskvPXsaJmUku&utm_source=chatgpt.com)
一如往常，謝謝你的收聽！
如果你有興趣成為 Uncertain Pathfinders Podcast 的來賓，或正在尋找與目前所面對的不確定性相關的一對一職涯／人生教練，歡迎與我們聯絡。
也非常歡迎你在下方留言，和我們分享你的想法：
對你來說，什麼才是一份「好的職涯」？
當前方一片迷霧時，你會如何找到自己的下一步？
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7 Sept 2026
Uncertain Research (with Laura Bonsaver)
Welcome to the Uncertain Pathfinders (UP) podcast, where we ask everyone who joins to invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility. On this episode, co-hosts Jeffrey and Miranda are joined in the studio by professional researcher, Laura Bonsaver. This recording comes at a particularly exciting and Uncertain time for Laura, as she says farewell to the "security" of full-time employment to explore her own path and what comes down the road. （中文往下👇）
On this episode, we hit on a range of topics, including the differences between big and small Uncertainties, balancing freedom with fright, and how to go about making a documentary for the first time. Laura also talks about her short stint as an au pair, her passion behind her research, as well as some of the focal points of her research projects, related to perception, bias and "reality."
An ever inquisitive mind who is willing to explore a variety of topics and characters, we welcome the likes of Willy Wonka, Super Applepig, Legolas, and even a character from "A Thousand Splendid Suns" into the studio. This episode is for anyone who might be struggling with or exploring uncertainty. Laura reminds us that, even though our feelings may seem like they are eternal, everything passes, and if we are open to inner growth, we can become more resilient over time.
Related links to this episode:
Uncertain Pathfinders website (https://uncertainpathfinders.com/)
Uncertain Pathfinders IG (https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpathfinders/)
Laura's Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-bonsaver-%E7%BE%85%E4%BD%B3%E7%A2%A7-077392177/)
A Thousand Splendid Suns (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/128029.A_Thousand_Splendid_Suns)
Taidong Moonlight Sea Concert (https://discover.taitung.gov.tw/music-events-en/moonlight-sea-concerts-en/)
Welcome to leave a comment and share your thoughts: https://open.firstory.me/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments (https://open.firstory.me/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments). In addition, please feel free to contact UP if you'd like to join the podcast or inquire about 1-1 coaching or workshops for your organization!
歡迎來到 Uncertain Pathfinders（UP）Podcast！在這裡，我們邀請每一位來賓一起擁抱「不確定」，開啟更多可能性。
這一集，主持人 Jeffrey 和 Miranda 邀請專業研究員 Laura Bonsaver 羅佳碧來到錄音室。對 Laura 來說，這次錄音正逢一個既令人興奮、又充滿「不確定」的人生時刻——她即將告別全職工作的「安全感」，踏上自己的道路，探索前方會遇見什麼樣的風景。
這一集，我們聊了許多不同的話題，包括「大大小小的不確定」有什麼不同、如何在自由與恐懼之間找到平衡，以及第一次拍攝紀錄片，到底該從何開始。Laura 也分享了自己短暫擔任 au pair（互惠生）的經驗、她對研究工作的熱情，以及她的研究計畫所關注的一些核心議題，包括感知、偏見與「現實」。
Laura 有著一顆永遠充滿好奇、願意探索各種議題與人物的心。於是這一集的錄音室裡，除了我們幾個人之外，還意外迎來了 Willy Wonka、超級蘋果豬、Legolas，甚至《燦爛千陽》（A Thousand Splendid Suns）中的角色！
如果你正在面對不確定，或正試著探索與它共處的方式，這一集就是為你而準備的。Laura 提醒我們：即使當下的感受似乎會永遠持續下去，一切終究都會過去。而當我們願意保持開放、持續向內成長，我們也能隨著時間變得更加有韌性。
歡迎留言和我們分享你的想法！
另外，如果你也想成為 UP Podcast 的來賓，或想了解 一對一 Coaching 以及為組織／團隊設計的工作坊，都歡迎與 Uncertain Pathfinders 聯絡！
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