Undone

About Undone

What does it actually take to find faith? What does it take to keep it? Not the polished version. Not the version that skips the doubt and the resistance and the seasons where everything felt distant or hollow. The real version - with all the texture and struggle and unexpected grace that most people never talk about out loud. That's what UNDONE is all about. Each episode, a pastor and a curious skeptic sit across from someone willing to share their story honestly. Not a triumphant highlight reel, but the whole journey - who they were before faith entered the picture, what first cracked the door open, what it felt like to walk through it, and what it takes to keep renewing that decision in the middle of an ordinary, complicated life. Because salvation isn't just a moment. It's a journey that begins in a moment and continues every single day after it. And the people who understand that best are the ones willing to talk about both - the arrival and the ongoing road. The show is hosted by two people who, on the surface, appear to see the world differently. One is a pastor who has walked this road for years and still finds new terrain on it. The other is a skeptic - genuinely, not performatively - who is somewhere in the middle of their own search and hasn't resolved it yet. Their dynamic isn't a device. It's the most honest thing about the show. Because for every listener who already believes, there are many more who are still watching, still weighing, still trying to figure out if any of this is worth the leap. UNDONE is for all of them. The name comes from Isaiah 6:5. The prophet encounters God and his immediate, involuntary response is: "Woe is me, for I am undone." Not a quiet, dignified surrender - undone. Unraveled by the encounter. And then restored by it. That word captures something true about what it means to find faith - not that it destroys you, but that it gets to the places in you that nothing else can reach. It undoes the version of you that didn't know what you know now. Every guest on this show has experienced some version of that. They arrived at faith by different roads, at different speeds, carrying different questions. Some came early. Some came late. Some are still on the way. But all of them have something worth hearing - for the person who believes, for the person who isn't sure, and for everyone in between. Whatever road you're on, there's a seat for you here.

Publisher

Undone Podcast

Category

education · religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

21 Jul 2026

Latest episode

17 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

13 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   17 Oct 2026

   Cameron Hathaway: My Journey Home - Part 2

   After years of spiritual hardness, Cameron Hathaway had built a life around work, relationships, achievement, and simply moving forward. He knew there was a God, but he wasn't seeking Him. Then a series of difficult circumstances began to slow him down, including serious medical problems that left him facing his own mortality in ways he never expected. During a conversation with his father-in-law about a seemingly unlikely subject, Cameron was forced to confront a contradiction he could no longer ignore: he knew what he believed to be true, yet he was not living as though it were true. For the first time in many years, he prayed. What followed was a renewed pursuit of God, a return to Christ, and a series of circumstances Cameron came to see as answered prayers. His story eventually comes full circle as relationships with his parents and brother are restored, his faith becomes central to his life, and he begins to see his past through a very different lens. In Part 2, Cameron talks openly about suffering, pride, faith, answered prayer, forgiveness, and what it means to stop running from what you know to be true. If you’re enjoying Undone, we’d love to hear from you! Leave us a message and let us know what you think. (https://rss.com/podcasts/undone/voicemail)

2. 

   10 Oct 2026

   Cameron Hathaway: My Journey Home - Part 1

   Cameron Hathaway grew up in a difficult but close-knit family, and at a young age he encountered Jesus in a way that changed his life. But as his faith became entangled with family expectations, discipline, and his growing desire for independence, Cameron began to rebel. That rebellion eventually took him down a very different path, one that included drugs, homelessness, brushes with the law, and ultimately a decision to join the military. In Part 1 of Cameron's story, he shares about his childhood, his early faith, his family's dramatic conversion, the rebellion that followed, and the experiences that led him into military service. His seven years in the military would give him purpose and direction, but they would also expose him to experiences that profoundly shaped the person he would become. And throughout it all, there was something Cameron could never completely escape: he knew God was there, even when he wanted nothing to do with Him. This is Part 1 of Cameron Hathaway's story. If you’re enjoying Undone, we’d love to hear from you! Leave us a message and let us know what you think. (https://rss.com/podcasts/undone/voicemail)

3. 

   3 Oct 2026

   Aaron Darling: A Faith That Finally Felt Real - Part 2

   Aaron's story continues in Part 2 with one of the most difficult seasons of his life. After years of disappointment, uncertainty, and growing cynicism toward the church, Aaron found himself questioning where God was in the middle of everything he had experienced. Then, in 2018, his younger brother died by suicide. The loss brought his questions about God, faith, suffering, and family to the surface in ways he could no longer ignore. Aaron shares honestly about grief, anger, doubt, and what it was like to continue leading a family and participating in church while feeling spiritually empty. He also tells the story of how his involvement with Infusco Coffee grew from a temporary opportunity into something much bigger, becoming both a business and a place of community. But perhaps the most significant part of Aaron's story is what happened beneath the surface. Through the people God placed in his life, difficult experiences, honest conversations, and years of wrestling with his questions, Aaron began to move away from a faith based on expectations and appearances toward something more personal and authentic. Today, Aaron describes his relationship with God differently. He doesn't claim to have everything figured out. Instead, he talks about learning to let go of cynicism, stop comparing his faith to someone else's, and recognize that God can use both the good experiences and the painful ones to shape us. Part 2 is ultimately a story about grief, doubt, authenticity, and what it can look like to find your way back to God. If you’re enjoying Undone, we’d love to hear from you! Leave us a message and let us know what you think. (https://rss.com/podcasts/undone/voicemail)

4. 

   26 Sept 2026

   Aaron Darling: A Faith That Finally Felt Real - Part 1

   Hey! I'd love to hear your thoughts, send me a voice note. (https://rss.com/podcasts/undone/voicemail) Aaron grew up as a pastor's kid, surrounded by church, Christian education, and the expectations that came with being part of a pastor's family. From the outside, he knew how to play the part. On the inside, however, he struggled to reconcile the faith he had been taught with what he was actually experiencing. In Part 1 of Aaron's story, he talks openly about growing up in a large family, the pressures and challenges of being a pastor's kid, difficult experiences within the church, and the ways he learned to cope by staying busy and keeping his distance. He shares how a summer mission experience and a few authentic relationships began to change the way he understood his relationship with God. Aaron's story also takes us through college, marriage, fatherhood, and a series of career changes. From corporate America to the craft beer industry, he repeatedly pursued what he thought might be the next thing, only to find that God seemed to be leading him somewhere else. Along the way, Aaron wrestles with a growing cynicism toward both work and the church. Eventually, the things he had worked so hard to build begin to fall apart, leaving him in a difficult and deeply uncertain season of faith. This is the first half of Aaron's story. Next week, we continue with the loss that changed him deeply, the story behind Infusco Coffee, and the process of finding his way back to an authentic faith.

5. 

   19 Sept 2026

   Lou Hoekstra: Learning to Let Go and Let God

   Hey! I'd love to hear your thoughts, send me a voice note. (https://rss.com/podcasts/undone/voicemail) Lou grew up in a Christian home where faith was simply part of everyday life. But as he built a career, launched technology companies, and eventually stepped into decades of ministry in Haiti, he repeatedly found himself in situations far beyond his ability to control. In this conversation, Lou shares the story of leaving a secure family business to pursue an unproven vision for using computers to transform the HVAC industry, the fear and uncertainty that followed, and the unexpected ways God provided when he finally admitted, "I can't do this." He also recounts a harrowing trip to Haiti to help rescue his friend and pastor, Jean Claude, after he was kidnapped and imprisoned by corrupt police. But Lou's story ultimately goes beyond business and adventure. After years of trying to make a difference in Haiti, he began wrestling with a deeper question: What does Scripture actually call us to do about poverty, success, and the people around us? Those experiences forced him to reconsider his Western ideas about fixing problems, measuring success, and even his own identity. Lou reflects on faith, entrepreneurship, leadership, humility, and the temptation to believe the praise and success that come our way. His story is a reminder that faithfulness is not the same thing as controlling the outcome, and that the things we accomplish may not be what matter most in the end. As Lou puts it, God had to remind him again and again: You can't do this. You are over your skis. Just do what I ask you to do and let the results be mine. By the end of the conversation, Lou's definition of legacy is remarkably simple: to have been a devoted husband and a loving father and grandfather.

6. 

   12 Sept 2026

   Ronny Silva: When Life Closes Doors, God Opens Others

   Hey! I'd love to hear your thoughts, send me a voice note. (https://rss.com/podcasts/undone/voicemail) Raised by a single father in Peru during a period of terrorism, economic hardship, and uncertainty, Ronnie experienced difficult circumstances from a young age. Yet even as a teenager who was drinking, fighting, and surrounded by friends involved with drugs, he can now look back and see God's hand preserving him. One unforgettable moment, when he and his brother were waiting for their father to earn enough money for food, left a lasting impression of God's provision: two warm rotisserie chickens mysteriously appeared beside them at a bus stop. After moving to the United States, Ronnie unexpectedly found himself recruited to play college football, eventually becoming a starter and receiving opportunities that could have led to a professional career. But a devastating boating accident just before his senior season ended his football career and changed the direction of his life. Through the accident, his recovery, and the care of his wife and family, Ronnie came to see Christ in a deeper and more personal way. What followed were more unexpected turns. Doors repeatedly closed on his plans to become a police officer, eventually leading Ronnie and his family to eight years of missionary work in Peru. Years later, after returning to the United States, another door opened, and Ronnie finally entered law enforcement. Today, he serves as a school resource officer, where his previous experiences working with children, serving in Peru, and walking through hardship have all become part of how he serves others. Throughout the conversation, Ronnie reflects on suffering, evangelism, hospitality, family, doubt, depression, and the importance of trusting God when we cannot understand what He is doing. His testimony is ultimately a reminder that the difficult and unexpected moments of our lives are not necessarily wasted. As Ronnie puts it, “God does not do things by chance.” Even when we cannot see what God is doing, He is faithful to use our circumstances, our suffering, our disappointments, and even our closed doors for His purposes. This is a conversation about providence, perseverance, and the evidence of God's grace woven throughout an ordinary, imperfect life.

7. 

   5 Sept 2026

   Tom Jacobs: A Story of Second Chances and The Double Life He Couldn't Hide

   Tom grew up in a deeply religious Catholic family and eventually entered the Jesuit path with hopes of becoming a priest. But beneath the appearance of having his life together, Tom was carrying wounds from his childhood, struggling with his identity, and learning to navigate relationships, faith, and a growing desire to help others through counseling. His journey would take him through a marriage that ended painfully, divorce, family struggles, and a season of questioning where God was leading him. Along the way, he experienced a profound personal encounter with the assurance of salvation and eventually sensed God's call to become a Christian counselor. Years later, after finding healing, remarrying, and becoming part of a Christian community, Tom faced another profound challenge: the loss of his infant daughter, and later, a diagnosis of Parkinson's disease. Rather than finding easy answers to the question of "Why?", Tom learned to trust God in the midst of circumstances he could not explain. In our conversation, Tom talks openly about the masks we wear, the ways pain can shape our lives, the importance of Christian community, and what it means to continue trusting God when life doesn't make sense. Ultimately, Tom's story is one of grace, healing, perseverance, and second chances, and a reminder that God can continue to work through our lives even after we have failed, been wounded, or found ourselves facing circumstances we never expected.

8. 

   29 Aug 2026

   Dave Smeltzer: Trading in My Passport to Heaven for a Relationship with Christ

   Dave grew up poor in a small Indiana town, raised by a single mom who never had time to take him to church. So neighborhood pastors did. That pattern followed him for decades. He went to church because it was Sunday, because his wife went, because that's what you did. Even after a tour in Vietnam and years of sitting in the pew, faith stayed something he'd checked off a list rather than something real. The real shift didn't come from a sermon. It came during one of the loneliest stretches of his life, when a new job left him isolated and targeted by people who wanted him gone. And then, out of nowhere, a call from a complete stranger let him know that he wasn't alone after all. This episode traces his entire faith journey: a childhood spent chasing approval, a career built on self-doubt and cold calls, a string of churches that never quite fit, and the moment when everything finally clicked. If you've ever wondered whether going through the motions and actually believing something are the same thing, this one's for you.

9. 

   22 Aug 2026

   Marian's quicksand, and the hand that keeps pulling her out

   Marian grew up the daughter of a research chemist and a stay-at-home mom in 1950s Michigan, sharp, driven, and set on a path in math and physics. She married a football coach, had five kids, and said yes to Christ young; but life didn't unfold the way she expected. Her husband's zeal curdled into deception, a self-declared prophet, a cult of three families, a farm in the Ozarks, complete with hiding places for an end that never came. Twenty-two years of marriage, isolation, and spiritual abuse followed, along with a night in the woods when she nearly ended it all. She's still working out why Christ never let her go, through a decades-long separation, the loss of her daughter and grandson, and a faith walk she describes not as one dramatic rescue but as daily, sometimes hourly, surrender. This episode goes to places most conversions don't. Marian doesn't offer a tidy resolution, she offers the truth that some people are saved not once, but over and over, every single day. Content note: This episode includes discussion of spiritual and emotional abuse, suicide, and the loss of a child. Listener discretion advised.

10. 

    15 Aug 2026

    Rich Sullivan: A Faith That Finally Made Sense

    Rich Sullivan was raised Catholic on Chicago's west side, taught to kneel, be quiet and discouraged from opening a Bible. He walked away from church for years - turned off, as he puts it, by hypocrisy he couldn't square with what he was being told to believe. But God wasn't finished with him. Following a miscarriage scare that brought him to his knees, he found his way back to church. What followed wasn't a clean turnaround but a slow, deliberate work: a mentor named Kent Adams, a well-worn copy of "Mere Christianity," and a heart God kept softening year after year until the hypocrisy that once drove Rich away no longer had power over him. After nearly five decades in the same church, working through the type of pain that sends most people looking for the exit, Rich now watches his grandkids sing worship songs from the same stage his kids grew up on. He's got some blunt, hard-won advice for the next generation about marriage, forgiveness, and what it actually costs to stay somewhere for the long haul. Three generations deep in one church, and still not done serving.

11. 

    8 Aug 2026

    Bob Dryden: A Life of Faith, Ninety Years in the Making

    At 90 years old, Bob Dryden has walked with the Lord longer than most of us have been alive - and he's not finished yet. In this episode, we sit down with a man who's been a fixture at Sawyer Highlands Church for generations: a mentor to pastors, a spiritual grandfather to the congregation, and someone whose steady faith has quietly shaped the people around him. Bob talks candidly about aging, watching his body break down, and choosing gratitude over complaint. He reflects on 38 years in one job (in a world where a little over three years is now the average), the weight of raising a family in faith, and the moments he wishes he'd done differently. He shares hard-won wisdom on staying rooted in Scripture, what makes a pastor worth listening to, and how he wants to be remembered. It's an honest, unhurried conversation about a life fully lived - humbling, funny at times, and a good reminder that faith isn't about having it all figured out. It's about staying faithful to the end.

12. 

    1 Aug 2026

    Laurie's Story: Running From the One Who Never Left

    Episode Summary Some people walk away from faith because it was never tested. Laurie walked away because it was tested too early, and too hard. In this first episode of UNDONE, Laurie takes us into the parts of her story most people keep locked away - childhood abuse that planted a deep, understandable distrust of God, and years lost to drugs and alcohol as she tried to outrun questions she couldn't answer and pain she couldn't name. She had every reason to stay cynical. Plenty of people would have. Instead, through the patience of friends who stayed close and the counsel of people who spoke into her life at the right moments, Laurie found her way to something she never expected: a surrendered life, and a faith that isn't naive about suffering but has somehow made peace with it. This isn't a tidy redemption story. It's a real one. Wherever you land on the spectrum of belief - devout, doubtful, done with religion altogether - Laurie's story is a case against giving up on the possibility that things can still turn. In This Episode How childhood trauma shapes (and distorts) our earliest ideas of God The long, winding road through addiction — and what it was really running from What it looked like when the right people showed up at the right time The difference between "getting fixed" and actually surrendering Learn more about Undone To learn more about Undone, support our work, or share your story, visit us at undonepod.com (https://undonepod.com/).

13. 

    21 Jul 2026

    What is Undone?

    Every podcast has an origin story. Here's ours... Pastors carry deeply guarded stories of the people they serve; stories that are shared in confidence - in hospital rooms and kitchen tables and parking lot conversations that stretch past midnight. Stories of people at the end of themselves, finding something they didn't expect. Stories of faith found late, doubt carried long, and grace arriving in the last place anyone thought to look. For years, Mike Bettig - co-host of Undone - walked away from those conversations renewed. Filled. Reminded of why any of his work matters. And then one day, a question formed that he couldn't shake: What if people could be a fly on the wall for this? Not a sermon. Not a testimony service. Just the real conversation - the one that happens when someone finally feels safe enough to tell the truth about their life. The before and the after. The struggle and the surrender. The doubt that still creeps in and the faith that gets chosen again anyway. That question is the seed that has become this podcast. In this trailer episode, hosts Mike and Brendon sit down to explain everything. Where this idea came from and why it wouldn't let go. Who they are - a pastor renewed by these stories for years, and a reluctant seeker encountering them for the first time. What each episode will look like. And why they named it what they named it. If you've ever wished you could sit in the room for the kind of conversation that changes people - you're about to get that chance.

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