Unfolding is a cinematic conversation show.
Every episode begins with a question, quote, or idea. Curiosity leads, and the rest naturally unfolds.
Through conversations with creators, thinkers, artists, and people who have looked deeply within themselves, this show explores transformation, craft, identity, and meaning.
It isn’t about answers.
It’s an exploration into an experience that stays with you.
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XXXIV: Why Your Intuition Feels Like Fear - Anthony Marino
Anthony Marino spends twenty days fixing machines at a mine and ten days building his podcast, Deep and Ridiculous. I asked him which one he's resting from. He didn't hesitate.
This is about the voice that tells you to go and the louder one that tells you to stay. A flight he almost cancelled. A plane he almost walked off. A relationship where the anxiety was right the whole time. And underneath all of it, the question neither of us fully answers: how do you know when it's fear talking?
Recorded at 10:30 at night, after spending six hours building the set. This is the first conversation from our Vancouver production.
This conversation was messy, beautiful, and human. I didn't cut any of it out. We discussed:
Why his first podcast quietly died
How intuition whispers, while fear shouts
Silence as a tool for discernment
The anxiety that was trying to warn him
Calling it God, and why that freed him
Fear, judgment, and the pack
What lights him up for hours
If someone you know is sitting on a whisper, send them this one.
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Timestamps
00:00-00:29 Intro00:29-01:14 Which job is he resting from?01:14-04:22 Building a set like adult Lego04:22-07:19 Why the first podcast died07:19-11:01 The whisper that wouldn't shut up11:01-13:47 How do you tell fear from intuition?13:47-21:48 Running in silence21:48-27:16 The whisper he ignored27:16-29:13 The night the anxiety disappeared29:13-38:50 Not everybody's going to like you38:50-46:22 Undiagnosed autism, and good with it46:22-51:50 "Sure, call me a Christian"51:50-01:07:15 Trying God on like a good shirt01:07:15-01:17:44 The flight he almost cancelled01:17:44-01:23:09 Why fear gets louder the closer you get01:23:09-01:26:24 What lights him up01:26:24-01:26:53 Outro
8 Oct 2026
XXXIII: You Can’t Think Your Way to God - Jaden Joseph
Jaden Joseph returns. Last time, on top of a mountain, he said he wanted to be asked about his faith. So I asked.
After partway through reading the Old Testament, he spent three nights in ayahuasca ceremonies in the Costa Rican jungle and came out a Christian. I've recently finished 30 days of pretending God is real, trying to logic my way into faith, and somewhere in this conversation I admitted I think I'm becoming one too.
We got into whether a profound experience can count as evidence, what faith costs in public, and why he thinks the intellect is the wrong tool for the job.
Gradual exploration, then a bang in the jungle
Is profundity the same as truth?
Faith is belief beyond evidence
The deadlift, not the bicep curl
What it costs to be publicly Christian
What happens when logic is your God
Self-improvement vs. self-discovery
If you're trying to think your way into faith, start here.
Jaden's story is his own experience, not an endorsement of psychedelic use.
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Timestamps
00:00-01:38 Intro01:38-02:38 Faith strong enough to cost you something02:38-05:47 Thirty days of pretending God is real05:47-11:40 Partway through the Old Testament, then off to Costa Rica11:40-21:45 The experience that made Jaden a Christian21:45-22:56 Is profundity the same as truth?22:56-28:07 Why the believer loses every debate to the rationalist28:07-33:02 Would I trade truth for a better life?33:02-34:15 "I think I'm becoming a Christian"34:15-45:30 What it costs to be publicly Christian45:30-58:35 What am I actually afraid to surrender?58:35-01:07:09 Realizing that my God is logic01:07:09-01:15:42 You can hear your heart when your mind is quiet01:15:42-01:26:30 Self-improvement assumes something is wrong with you01:26:30-01:29:43 The question Jaden hasn't answered yet01:29:43-01:30:22 Outro
1 Oct 2026
XXXII: Exploring Faith at 21 - Is Belief Found or Made?
Andrew Robinson is back for a fourth time. We're both 21, and we both believe in something now. He got there through ceremony, his language, and a spiritual awakening at 19. I got there through logic, a 30-day experiment, and a lot of arguing with myself.
On top of a mountain we got into what prayer looks like in his culture, why he wants to break a cycle seven generations deep, and the question that kept coming back: can a belief you were raised with ever really be yours?
Prayer, spiritual bathing, and the fourth dunk
Where do your morals actually come from?
Breaking a cycle seven generations deep
When are you ready to be a father?
What people get wrong about Indigenous communities
Are your beliefs actually yours?
Belief is built through practice
If you've ever wondered where your beliefs came from, sit with this one.
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Dig Deeper Into All Things Kaizen:
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Timestamps
00:00-01:37 Six months later: closer to peace, or further away?01:37-05:22 Balancing a scientific mind with Indigenous teachings05:22-10:16 Prayer, spiritual bathing, and the fourth dunk10:16-14:39 Where do your morals actually come from?14:39-20:12 Breaking a cycle seven generations deep20:12-25:56 How do you know you're ready to be a father?25:56-30:52 Four days of fasting, a month alone, and a song30:52-36:10 What people get wrong about Indigenous communities36:10-46:17 How I reasoned my way into believing46:17-52:04 When psychology challenges your spiritual beliefs52:04-55:07 Are your beliefs actually yours?55:07-59:52 Strong beliefs, loosely held59:52-01:02:08 Belief is built through practice01:02:08-01:03:31 Why connection is the essence of life
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