A podcast by Leeds UK music collective Fold, hosted by founder Seth Mowshowitz, that looks beneath the facade of mainstream narratives, myths and culture to help map the true nature of our world. This is an investigation of truth outside of political alignments, class or any other divisive ways of thinking. All are welcome here.
Each of us lives in our own unique reality that is built from our core stories, lived experiences and external stories that we internalise. We all grow up in the same systems of indoctrination, but those for whom the system does not work tend to ask questions and rebel against the system. These are the people who resist indoctrination and experience the most cognitive dissonance in relation to their own society’s prevailing stories and narratives.
We aim to have conversations with many different people about their own experiences with this form of cognitive dissonance — how they process, cope and express these experiences over a lifetime. This will gradually enable us to build up both a more coherent and current map of our shared reality.
In Conversation with our drummer James (Jimmy) Child: on a life of music, neurological differences and the state of technology
This podcast brings together different people’s unique perspectives to collectively map the reality behind mainstream narratives and try to make sense of the cognitive dissonance that comes from seeing through them.
Brought to you by Leeds music collective Fold and hosted by Seth Mowshowitz, today’s episode features the first other member of Fold that we’ve had on the show: our current drummer Jimmy — aka James Child.
We have been extremely lucky with the quality of musicians that have gravitated towards us over the years and Jimmy is no exception. He’s easily one of the finest musicians that we’ve ever worked with: an incredible drummer and an accomplished bass and guitar player. On top of all that, Jimmy’s also a professional sound engineer. He does live sound part time and plays in four different bands, including his dad’s.
As a person, Jimmy is incredibly humble, kind, caring, a good laugh and a solid friend. He has a diagnosis of Tourette’s Syndrome and we talk at length about living with his particular manifestation of Tourette’s and the impacts that’s had on him.
Another thing Jimmy has in common with all members of Fold is being countercultural by nature. Although he considers himself relatively new to thinking in socio-political terms, Jimmy is someone who has completely opened his mind in order to learn more. So his perspective is to me quite an important one for many reasons, not least of which is that transition to open-mindedness is exactly what we hope many more people will decide to make.
SHOW NOTES
Support us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/foldfm (https://patreon.com/foldfm)
Support us on Bandcamp: https://fold.bandcamp.com/subscribe (https://fold.bandcamp.com/subscribe)
Red Eye (Jimmy’s Dad’s band): https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Red_Eye/3540488493 (https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Red_Eye/3540488493)
Logging Off: The Human Cost of Our Digital World by Adele Zeynep Walton: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/215366529-logging-off (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/215366529-logging-off)
The AI Con: How to Fight Big Tech’s Hype and Create the Future We Want by Emily M. Bender and Alex Hanna: https://thecon.ai/
18 Jul 2026
In Conversation with Gabi Rowson: a Well-Versed Contrarian for Modern Times
This podcast brings together singular minds to map the reality behind mainstream narratives and make sense of the cognitive dissonance that comes from seeing through them.
“In and through community lies the salvation of the world.”
These beautiful words are from M. Scott Peck’s 1987 book, The Different Drum: Community-Making and Peace in which he argued that genuine community heals our isolation and division. We first came across this quote in a bell hooks lecture called Why Choose Love? that we ended up sampling on our record Choose Love (links to both below).
The quote became somewhat of a core message for our work as a whole. It eloquently represents our core beliefs, presents arguably the most important solution to the root of humanity’s biggest problems and does all of that in 10 words.
Today’s episode features only the second conversation we’ve had so far and already the emerging theme from both conversations is perfectly embodied in that quote. I’m speaking to another old friend: Gabi Rowson. Rather than a long editorialised introduction, we’ll let the conversation do the work.
If our podcast resonates with you, please consider supporting us via our Patreon page or our Bandcamp page (see links below). Your support will not only help keep this podcast going, it will also help fund our music production workshops for young people facing barriers, our own music projects and even a quarterly print zine (if we reach enough memberships).
SHOW NOTES
Support us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/foldfm (https://patreon.com/foldfm)
Support us on Bandcamp: https://fold.bandcamp.com/subscribe (https://fold.bandcamp.com/subscribe)
The Different Drum: Community-Making and Peace by M Scott Peck: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/4443.The_Different_Drum (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/4443.The_Different_Drum)
bell hooks: Why Choose Love: https://archive.org/details/pra_powerofafricanamericanwomen_6 (https://archive.org/details/pra_powerofafricanamericanwomen_6)
Fold — Choose Love: https://fold.bandcamp.com/track/choose-love-2 (https://fold.bandcamp.com/track/choose-love-2)
Sir Ken Robinson Ted Talk: Do Schools Kill Creativity?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY)
Carl Rogers 1967 UCLA Lecture On Viewing the Facilitation of Learning As the Aim of Education: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzqZffjl4D8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzqZffjl4D8)
Justice: What’s the Right Thing to Do?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY)
Horrified (board game): https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/282524/horrified (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/282524/horrified)
Middle Earth Collectible Card Game (MECCG): https://meccg.com/ (https://meccg.com/)
2 Jul 2026
In Conversation with Andrew Karas: the self-educated activist artist quietly changing minds for decades
Two of the key aims of this podcast — and all of our work as Fold — are amplifying perspectives that challenge entrenched power structures and giving a voice to those who rarely get to have one, but greatly deserve it. We’re more interested in people who have struggled to succeed within this system than those who probably already have a platform. We greatly admire people who are unashamedly true to themselves, even when that comes at a disadvantage.
In this episode we are excited to introduce our first ever guest on the podcast, a person to whom all of the above definitely applies: Andrew Karas, known to us affectionately as Drew.
Coming from a humble background and largely self-educated, Drew is a gifted thinker, artist activist, writer and musician. His exceptional work over many decades, including his role in the activist art project AK Rockefeller, has always been driven by a deep sense of our shared humanity. Drew’s humble, quiet and thoughtful manner is laced with an infectious, sometimes dark sense of humour that always lights up our conversations. We hope you enjoy this one.
If our podcast resonates with you, please consider supporting us via our Patreon page or our Bandcamp page (see links below). Your support will not only help keep this podcast going, it will also help fund our music production workshops for young people facing barriers, our own music projects and even a quarterly print zine (if we reach enough memberships).
Show Notes
Find us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/foldfm (https://patreon.com/foldfm)
Find us on Bandcamp: https://fold.bandcamp.com/subscribe (https://fold.bandcamp.com/subscribe)
Read Dancing Turtle’s article on the activist art project AK Rockefeller: https://www.dancingturtle.com/latest-news/ak-rockefeller-art-identity-and-the-struggle-for-west-papua/ (https://www.dancingturtle.com/latest-news/ak-rockefeller-art-identity-and-the-struggle-for-west-papua/)
Visit the official AK Rockefeller website: https://akrockefeller.com/ (https://akrockefeller.com/)
Unpicking Dissonance is hosted by Fold founder Seth Mowshowitz featuring original music by Fold (the short piece Nobody Fights from their album Aphelion: a tribute to Lorraine Hansberry).
5 Jun 2026
Pivotal Moments: a Tale of Two 9/11s
In further preparation for future episodes, Fold’s Seth Mowshowitz explores the concept of pivotal moments — events or periods of time in your life where you encounter truths that force you to step out of your comfort zone and adapt your reality. These are moments that propel you forward by resolving some of life’s ceaseless cognitive dissonance and lending greater depth to your perception.
Seth dives deep into two of his own pivotal moments: his time among a Chilean family that lived through the US-backed coup against Salvador Allende’s socialist government on September 11, 1973—the first 9/11—and his own experiences of being in New York City on the second 9/11, along with aftermath of those events and their long term impacts.
Beginning with an overview of his upbringing and early influences, Seth gives us a glimpse into how these two pivotal moments shaped his own thinking, understanding and perceptions of reality.
If this podcast resonates with you, please consider supporting us via our Patreon page. (https://patreon.com/foldfm) Your support will not only help keep this podcast going, it will also help fund our music production workshops for young people facing barriers and our own music projects.
Show Notes
As mentioned in the show, you may wish to check out the great Cuban singer-songwriter Silvio Rodriguez. We recommend starting with our favourite album of his: Días y Flores. (https://open.spotify.com/album/76BjblgcO1zkxA1C922Yc9) If you only listen to one song, make it Sueño Con Serpientes. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsSVKufCCLc)
Also, please do check out our sister podcast The Persistence, hosted by our friend Angélica Cordero. (https://open.spotify.com/show/7pFdgsd2tKtuSrboGz7H8B)
Unpicking Dissonance is hosted by Fold founder Seth Mowshowitz featuring original music by Fold (Nobody Fights).
5 May 2026
Exploring how stories and narratives shape our reality
This episode is about setting expectations and defining parameters for future episodes where we will have conversations with people about their own internal stories, their experiences of cognitive dissonance and how they navigate through it all.
I chose to frame this through the lens of my own story, sharing excerpts from a series of articles that I wrote in 2024. These were originally made for a hand-illustrated A5 zine that was released as part of our album (https://fold.bandcamp.com/album/we-do-not-forget)We Do Not Forget (https://fold.bandcamp.com/album/we-do-not-forget).
You can read these articles in full on our website (https://fold.fm/2025/07/19/a-timeless-approach-to-making-records/), on our SubStack page (https://substack.com/@foldfm/p-152145004) or by ordering the physical zine if you prefer a tactile reading experience. (https://fold.bandcamp.com/album/we-do-not-forget)
Hosted by Fold founder Seth Mowshowitz. Original music by Fold.
26 Apr 2026
Introducing Unpicking Dissonance
The first episode of Unpicking Dissonance introduces Fold, outlines our intentions as an entity and the purpose of the podcast: to look beneath the facade of mainstream narratives and myths to help map the true nature of our world. This has been the major thread throughout all of our work as a music collective and as we’ve been forced to take a step back from our full range of activities due to various reasons, this podcast is a way to continue that work more directly and hopefully reconnect with our audience while reaching new people.
We do not claim authority over any subject or monopoly over any truth, we are simply drawing from our own experiences and analysis over many decades to contribute to a wider conversation. We are just as confused and overwhelmed as many of you out there and it is our hope that this podcast may help us and anyone listening to reach greater understanding and even some solace.
Credits
Produced & hosted by Seth Mowshowitz. Artwork by Seth Mowshowitz. Theme music is our short piece Nobody Fights from our third album Aphelion: a tribute to Lorraine Hansberry. (https://fold.fm/complete-fold-discography/fold-aphelion-a-tribute-to-lorraine-hansberry/)
Find out more about our work at fold.fm (https://fold.fm/)
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