Wake Up, Underworld!

About Wake Up, Underworld!

What does it mean to practice magick as a path to enlightenment? Does practical magick have a role on the spiritual path? What exactly is the Western Magickal or Esoteric Tradition and who are its main thinkers and key figures? What does this tradition have to do with other spiritual pursuits or paths, from Buddhism to Animism, the Twelve Steps of AA to Christian Hermeticism? What do magick and awakening have to offer a person struggling with the anxieties of our age, its loneliness and algorithms? What is synchronicity and how does it relate to prophecy? These are some of the questions co-hosts Justin Little and Cameron Steele explore on Wake Up, Underworld! We delve into postmodern disenchantment, practical magick, and spiritual awakening within the context of the Western Magickal Tradition, alive and well thanks to Alan Chapman’s Magia, and, ever-present throughout human history as the tradition behind traditions. You can expect true stories of real magick, deep conversations about occult texts, and heartfelt explorations of the surprising, beautiful, and enduring presence of magick in the heart of spirituality, Reality, and the human being itself. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

Publisher

Cameron Steele and Justin Little

Category

religion & spirituality · religion & spirituality · religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

Yes

First episode

26 Aug 2026

Latest episode

4 Nov 2026

Latest episodes

6 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   4 Nov 2026

   Trash Conversations With God: On VALIS

   It's fitting that Justin and Cameron's first in a series of conversations focused primarily on Philip K. Dick's VALIS trilogy begins with the I Ching hexagram of "striking out on one's own on foot" and ends with the hexagram associated with "navieté and youthful folly." But we don't find that out until the end of the episode. First, we enter a conversation about our personal experiences reading Dick's work where we encountered ourselves as characters of and in his texts, just as much as we were and are the books' readers. (When Justin read A Scanner Darkly more than a decade ago, he felt like he was reading his future; when Cameron read VALIS for the first time two months ago, she had the uncanny sense that Dick had written her past into existence.) This takes us into reflections on the prophetic narrative in Western Magick, illness narratives as a particular field and focus within the contemporary academy, and, finally, straight into VALIS itself, which is as much an honest account of what it's like to allow faith and direct experience (knowledge) lead you through experiences of delusion and awakening as it is an epic science-fiction novel. Along the way, we raise questions that Dick asked himself — What is time? What is the difference between conscious and unconscious suffering? Can one really beat fate and be redeemed and/or healed? If you can beat fate, can you speak about the victory? — as well as questions that VALIS helps us articulate, too — What is the relationship between writing and truth? What does it mean to live a good life? What, if anything, does this world know about that? We end with the I Ching reading we promised you at the episode's start, and there's some uncanny imagery happening in it, too. That instruction to set out alone, by foot, leaving one's vehicle behind as an offering? Well, that's exactly what Bishop Timothy Archer does in the third book in the VALIS trilogy. Does this end in folly? Redemption? Both? Our next episode on this trilogy, which also serves as part two to the previous "Who Is My Teacher?" episode (https://shows.acast.com/wakeup-underworld/episodes/6ad8d5e170af2b1aa7f04c13), will be out in two weeks' time. Texts Mentioned Julie Henderson's The Somatic I Ching Philip K. Dick's VALIS (https://bookshop.org/p/books/valis-philip-k-dick/bc4642a56f470df0?ean=9780547572413) Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (https://bookshop.org/p/books/do-androids-dream-of-electric-sheep-the-inspiration-for-the-films-blade-runner-and-blade-runner-2049-philip-k-dick/718ef0ab48ecf273?ean=9780345404473) The Man In The High Castle (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-man-in-the-high-castle-philip-k-dick/5b3f6ff690bdfbbd?ean=9780547572482) A Scanner Darkly (https://bookshop.org/p/books/a-scanner-darkly-philip-k-dick/32feeaab7724a185?ean=9780547572178) Exegesis (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-exegesis-of-philip-k-dick-philip-k-dick/8d7e02c21ed4d1e2?ean=9780547549279) The Divine Invasion (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-divine-invasion-philip-k-dick/1702919e39be437e?ean=9780547572420) Ubik (https://bookshop.org/p/books/ubik-philip-k-dick/1fc432e3ade32290?ean=9780547572291) Alan Chapman's and Duncan Barford's WORP FM (https://shows.acast.com/worp-fm) podcast series C.G. Jung's The Red Book (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-red-book-a-reader-s-edition-dr-c-g-jung-dr/da2011cbc28c4862?ean=9780393089080) C.G. Jung's Memories, Dreams, Reflections (https://bookshop.org/p/books/memories-dreams-reflections-carl-g-jung/3fbd24905b79758c?ean=9780679723950) Alan Chapman's Advanced Magick for Beginners (https://bookshop.org/p/books/advanced-magick-for-beginners-alan-chapman/ba4cb27c74164203?ean=9781904658412) Aleister Crowley's The Book of Thoth (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-book-of-thoth-egyptian-tarot-aleister-crowley/cd67c15256755394?ean=9780877282686) Order Cameron's book "Interruption" (https://sulbooks.com/bookstore/p/interruption-cameron-steele) Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum" (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/tending-to-the-bonds-between-the) Show Art by Beck Corrigan https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact (https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact) Music by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

2. 

   21 Oct 2026

   Who is My Teacher: Part One

   How does one find a teacher? What is the right relationship between student and teacher? Is there a benefit to studying under a living teacher within a tradition versus learning on one’s own, with the help of the right books at the right time? Recorded fresh off co-teaching a retreat together, Justin and Cameron follow the threads of these questions through personal reflections on their experiences teaching, a wider look at the state of education today, and an exploration of what it means to find a spiritual or magickal teacher who trusts the same thing you do. The conversation takes us through the pitfalls of academia, what lies beyond the complaints about the “personal essay industrial complex,” the grace of finding out even the bad teachers have something just for you, and acts of divination, writing, and magick as gestures that ask true questions about the nature of the soul and demonstrating its commensurate growth. Texts mentioned Phil Ford’s essay “On Jung, I Ching, and the Tarot” (https://www.patreon.com/weirdstudies/posts/on-jung-i-ching-169623631?utm_campaign=upgrade_membership_upsell_new_post&utm_source=post_link&post_id=169623631&utm_id=bb089d74-983c-441b-8e2a-90395dbb3645&utm_medium=email) Liz Greene’s Jung’s Studies in Astrology (https://bookshop.org/p/books/jung-s-studies-in-astrology-prophecy-magic-and-the-qualities-of-time-liz-greene-ph-d/b8a1fbce550af164?ean=9781138289123) Julie Henderson’s The Somatic I Ching Richard Wilhelm’s I Ching (https://bookshop.org/p/books/understanding-the-i-ching-the-wilhelm-lectures-on-the-book-of-changes-hellmut-wilhelm/c089c572eadac440?ean=9780691291901) Aleister Crowley’s Book of Thoth (https://hermetic.com/crowley/book-of-thoth/index) Aleister Crowley’s Tao Te Ching (https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib157) The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-exegesis-of-philip-k-dick-philip-k-dick/8d7e02c21ed4d1e2?ean=9780547549279) CG Jung’s introduction (https://jungpage.org/learn/articles/analytical-psychology/519-forward-to-the-i-ching) to Wilhelm’s translation of the I Ching Austin Coppock’s Fundamentals of Astrology (https://austincoppock.com/fundamentals-of-astrology-learn-astrology-become-an-astrologer-classes/) courses Demetra George’s work on Hellenistic astrology (https://demetra-george.com/) Alan Chapman’s Magia (https://barbarouswords.com/book) The Baptist’s Head (https://spirit.aeonbooks.co.uk/product/baptists-head-compendium/95249) by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford Peter Kingsley’s oeuvre (https://peterkingsley.org/books/) Philip K. Dick’s Ubik (https://bookshop.org/p/books/ubik-philip-k-dick/1fc432e3ade32290?ean=9780547572291) Jessa Crispin’s The Dead Ladies Project (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-dead-ladies-project-exiles-expats-and-ex-countries-jessa-crispin/13cfd90cfbce5970?ean=9780226278452) The Passport through Hades episode “The Word Silence and Not Only in English” (https://feeds.acast.com/public/shows/passport-through-hades) Register for Cameron's new tarot course "The Court Cards of the Tarot and the Work of the Soul" (https://substack.com/home/post/p-219408456) Order Cameron's book "Interruption" (https://sulbooks.com/bookstore/p/interruption-cameron-steele) Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum" (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/tending-to-the-bonds-between-the) Show Art by Beck Corrigan https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact (https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact) Music by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

3. 

   7 Oct 2026

   Cassandra and Lucifer

   Lucifer and Cassandra There are lots of furious arguments online and in schools these days about the end of reading. Kids aren’t doing it, neither are college students, and even the so-called writers churning out hot takes in newsletters and in the Atlantic seem to be missing the mark, which is that the human capacity for thought and reading has very little to do with yelling about lack for likes and Stripe payouts. Instead, the ability to read a sentence, a tarot card, a children’s book, a canonical tome, or the stars themselves has something very much to do with the spiritual principle of looking as if to see. So what can spiritual awakening do for one’s reading ability in an age where the drama over mechanized attention is one that surely spells apparent doom? Episode Four of Wake Up, Underworld! begins with a look at such concerns before following an account of Justin’s second awakening into a conversation on the nature of demons, spiritual ancestors, and how the subversive move of “reclaiming” one’s weaknesses or evil inclinations as one’s power is only a shadow of the true realization of weakness in strength and strength in weakness. The truth of such a realization is the mystery of magickal reality, which is one reason Justin and Cameron find themselves at a loss for words when mystics or occultist podcasters try to eschew magick, on the one hand, or God, on the other. Are there specific struggles that men and women face in articulating their spiritual or magickal paths? What roles does existence seem to force us into? We tackle these questions through exploring personal relationships to myth. Finally, the conversation comes full circle as it turns toward the growing understanding that one of the first steps toward knowing one’s Self comes from learning how to read, not as an educational exercise but as a simple expression of your spiritual birthright. Texts Mentioned Rudolph Steiner’s The Incarnation of Ahriman (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-incarnation-of-ahriman-the-embodiment-of-evil-on-earth-dr-rudolf-steiner/3da39b3fdc51c51b) Cameron’s essay “We Are Already AI” (https://substack.com/@steelecs/p-211184376) Duncan Barford’s The Book of Raziel (https://www.lulu.com/shop/archangel-raziel/the-book-of-raziel/paperback/product-1y577em2.html?page=1&pageSize=4) Aleister Crowley’s The Vision and the Voice (https://hermetic.com/crowley/the-vision-and-the-voice/index) Aleister Crowley’s Magick In Theory and Practice (https://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/aba3) Aleister Crowley’s Magick Without Tears, edited by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford Alan Chapman’s “Is God to Live In a Dog?” (https://barbarouswords.com/crowley-1) Lao Tzu’s Tao Te Ching, (https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib157) translated by Aleister Crowley Maurice Sendak’s Where the Wild Things Are (https://bookshop.org/p/books/where-the-wild-things-are-a-caldecott-award-winner-maurice-sendak/e2de51d13b966e8d?ean=9780064431781) Philip K. Dick’s The Owl in Daylight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Owl_in_Daylight) For a wonderful Weird Studies conversation on PKD's unfinished work, listen to episode 90 "The Owl in Daylight" https://www.weirdstudies.com/90 (https://www.weirdstudies.com/90) Alan Chapman’s Magia (https://barbarouswords.com/book) CG Jung’s Memories, Dreams, Reflections (https://bookshop.org/p/books/memories-dreams-reflections-carl-g-jung/3fbd24905b79758c?ean=9780679723950&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%7Bcampaignname%7D&utm_content=6443417794&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16235479093&gbraid=0AAAAACfld41orx9Q7AMFbUHwoM63o2xWL&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8ofWBhCHARIsANBj4LvmgshGpSA3E2-RE5NxS1fiXo_0Y-mEDy7F4zOeeo-aky1NKeCgpr8aArr3EALw_wcB) Liz Greene’s Jung’s Studies In Astrology (https://bookshop.org/p/books/jung-s-studies-in-astrology-prophecy-magic-and-the-qualities-of-time-liz-greene-ph-d/b8a1fbce550af164?ean=9781138289123) Samuel Taylor Coleridge's The Rime of the Ancient Mariner (https://poets.org/poem/rime-ancient-mariner) Order Cameron's book "Interruption" (https://sulbooks.com/bookstore/p/interruption-cameron-steele) Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum" (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/tending-to-the-bonds-between-the) Show Art by Beck Corrigan https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact (https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact) Music by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

4. 

   23 Sept 2026

   "A Higher Order of Relationship Altogether"

   We begin with reflections on what’s left out of current conversations around the Odyssey after Christopher Nolan’s reboot. Is it possible to see the good news in the groundwater of contemporary discourse? How might we adopt a position of hanging back, looking as if to see, letting the message behind the messaging come through? These questions lead us into Cameron’s backstory as an investigative crime reporter receiving messages from and writing poetry alongside the dead in the Deep South of the United States. People enjoy quoting the imminently quotable Simone Weil these days — “attention is the purest form of devotion” and “to know truth is to accept death” — but what does the mystic really mean with these statements? How does proximity to death trick us, even when we’re apparently seeing beyond it, never mind accepting it? What’s the difference between performing bravado — an apparently unflinching devotion to the facts of life, in the face of death — and a strength that comes precisely from a recognition of one’s humility and madness? What’s the difference between turning a tarot card over in an attempt to know and reading the cards as part of the mystery of love? Can you honestly tell when you’re doing one thing or the other? Can you know which voice is speaking to you in the dark? We explore these questions and more in a pursuit of a “higher order of relationship altogether.” Mentioned in the show: The Odyssey (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-odyssey-the-fitzgerald-translation-deluxe-edition-homer/784c4b154539fd7a?ean=9781250375445&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%7Bcampaignname%7D&utm_content=6443417794&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16235479093&gbraid=0AAAAACfld40Xe2TYXmYy04ckSAwAs1CA6&gclid=Cj0KCQjwk5nVBhDiARIsAHNGqaf2DkPcsEUFH84sxyOG9b96PD0UfUV6R4sNwFgBlNduhzJdPlQGYdcaAoXrEALw_wcB) by Homer The Odyssey: A Graphic Novel (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-odyssey-a-graphic-novel-gareth-hinds/c660edd76bb6eccd?ean=9780763642686&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%7Bcampaignname%7D&utm_content=6443417794&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16235479093&gbraid=0AAAAACfld40Xe2TYXmYy04ckSAwAs1CA6&gclid=Cj0KCQjwk5nVBhDiARIsAHNGqaeHpDCv9bRlmIlwZCGxzVJFw5DXgB9iOcwqYh18BeyOzVB1LlBvNoAaAhN6EALw_wcB) by Gareth Hinds The Prince of Egypt (https://www.netflix.com/title/18171022) "Sing for Our Time Too! The Divine Song of the Odyssey" (https://markvernon942268.substack.com/p/sing-for-our-time-too-the-divine) by Mark Vernon The Red Book: (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-red-book-a-reader-s-edition-dr-c-g-jung-dr/da2011cbc28c4862?ean=9780393089080&bkshp-astro=t) Liber Secundus, Chapter Three, "One of the Lowly" by CG Jung Magick Without Tears by Aleister Crowley, edited by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford Gravity and Grace (https://bookshop.org/p/books/gravity-and-grace-simone-weil/0e9c938a989ab397?ean=9780415290012&bkshp-astro=t) by Simone Weil The Creative Tarot (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-creative-tarot-a-modern-guide-to-an-inspired-life-jessa-crispin/83c467908ccbfabd?ean=9781501120237&bkshp-astro=t)by Jessa Crispin "What is Spiritual Development For?" Episode 241 (https://open.spotify.com/episode/2EQlnZ4XaMxWSUfTQOcZxP) of Conner Habib's podcast Against Everything With Conner Habib, with guests Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford Duncan Barford's work and books, all found at Occult Experiments in the Home (https://oeith.co.uk/) Alan Chapman's Magia (https://barbarouswords.com/book) Cameron's writing on her newsletter "interruptions" (https://steelecs.substack.com/) Cameron's new book Interruption: Divinatory Essays on Illness and Narrative (https://sulbooks.com/bookstore/p/interruption-cameron-steele), published by Sul Books next week The title of this episode comes from Cristina Campo's wonderful essay collection The Unforgivable (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-unforgivable-and-other-writings-cristina-campo/12e51368253e2cf3?ean=9781681378022&bkshp-astro=t) Order Cameron's book "Interruption" (https://sulbooks.com/bookstore/p/interruption-cameron-steele) Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum" (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/tending-to-the-bonds-between-the) Show Art by Beck Corrigan https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact (https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact) Music by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

5. 

   9 Sept 2026

   “Tending to the Bonds Between the Seen and Unseen Worlds”

   What is the relationship between mystical experience on drugs and spiritual awakening that happens when sober? What does it mean to look back upon a life of addiction, drug use, and “being the worst version of oneself” and to see that even the rock bottoms were supposed to be there? Is there a way to express the inevitability of one’s path without affirming what looks like “trauma for one’s own good?”1 (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/c0e41f31-d8ab-456c-8e0d-2058bdb11bbf#footnote-1) What is the use of understanding one’s mundane suffering and spiritual realizations as part of a cycle of creation, an expression of a complete cosmology that we participate in, whether we’re conscious of it or not? Is there a benefit to making such a cycle conscious? We raise these questions and more in our second episode of Wake Up, Underworld!, where co-hosts Justin Little and Cameron Steele explore Justin’s backstory and one example of what it looks like to wake up in the middle of hell. Perhaps it’s the case that passing the test of faith doesn’t simply reframe your life, such that it was never a test at all. Perhaps such passage is also a powerful magick that alters Reality, changing past, present, and future altogether. Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum" (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/tending-to-the-bonds-between-the) Texts mentioned in the show: His Dark Materials (https://bookshop.org/lists/philip-pullman-his-dark-materials?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dsa_nonbrand&utm_content={adgroupname}&utm_term=aud-1721779758455:dsa-19959388920&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=12440232635&gbraid=0AAAAACfld43g8favNQi2n64a8wEVZ_Ny3&gclid=Cj0KCQjw79nUBhCgARIsADSHka32kIlJcYGE4G24w-s5t2tmAqZDhkZewIDBHqVqcjylaXnxzUMK9V4aAh68EALw_wcB) series by Philip Pullman The Chronicles of Narnia (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-lion-the-witch-and-the-wardrobe-deluxe-collector-s-edition-c-s-lewis/e36935753de0b022?ean=9780063516250&bkshp-astro=t) by CS Lewis Alan Chapman’s Magia (https://barbarouswords.com/) Reality (https://bookshop.org/p/books/reality-new-2020-edition-peter-kingsley/f02761edd47e4268?ean=9781999638436&bkshp-astro=t) by Peter Kingsley Drumming At the Edge of the Magic (https://mickeyhart.net/drumming_edge/) by Mickey Hart The Tibetan Book of the Dead (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-tibetan-book-of-the-dead-first-complete-translation-graham-coleman/1f1c0e506793bc69?ean=9780143104940&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign={campaignname}&utm_content=6443417794&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16235479093&gbraid=0AAAAACfld41m3qL81q7MSZo5z0xURQ1AV&gclid=Cj0KCQjw79nUBhCgARIsADSHka2UvY9TVGArLn3GvJL2xmz11j2AxmajWyxuZDEltwrf7PaeNmxwn6waAhAlEALw_wcB) Occult Experiments in the Home (https://oeith.co.uk/oeith/) podcast by Duncan Barford The Baptist’s Head (https://spirit.aeonbooks.co.uk/product/baptists-head-compendium/95249)by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford “Jason Louv and John Dee’s Empire of Angels” (https://open.spotify.com/episode/4JsxsCxHZQy28TpgYwZKcr?si=QSUMiYQWRuKAqbsSOKsnTA) episode of the Occult of Personality podcast by Greg Kaminsky On Drugs (https://bookshop.org/p/books/on-drugs-psychedelics-philosophy-and-the-nature-of-reality-justin-smith-ruiu/eeef362f5023c705?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dsa_nonbrand&utm_content={adgroupname}&utm_term=aud-1721779758375:dsa-19959388920&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=12440232635&gbraid=0AAAAACfld43g8favNQi2n64a8wEVZ_Ny3&gclid=Cj0KCQjw79nUBhCgARIsADSHka0sF6TA-MMPCmoeHYDjX2qc89tJP-38tW4G5vwVBZrXuOMzpUrnfBEaAmABEALw_wcB) by Justin Smith-Ruiu “On On Drugs” essay series (https://maryjaneeyre.substack.com/p/on-on-drugs-i) by Mary Jane Eyre The Book of Thoth (https://hermetic.com/crowley/book-of-thoth/index) by Aleister Crowley “Trauma for Your Own Good” (https://shows.acast.com/worp-fm/episodes/004-trauma-for-your-own-good) episode of the Worp FM podcast by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford The AA Big Book (https://www.aa.org/the-big-book) The L. Ron Hubbard (https://open.spotify.com/episode/7CYAjbccjf9MGstS7G4Bl1?si=a4_GFyuYRCutjlt8DBthgA) series produced by The Last Podcast on the Left Peter Carroll’s books (https://www.amazon.com/Books-Peter-J-Carroll/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3APeter%2BJ.%2BCarroll) on Chaos Magick Advanced Magick for Beginners (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/advanced-magick-for-beginners-alan-chapman/8e63baa15bc0c19b) by Alan Chapman Dr. Rachel Elior’s academic work (https://www.amazon.com/Books-Rachel-Elior/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3ARachel%2BElior) on mysticism and magick within Jewish culture Order Cameron's book "Interruption" (https://sulbooks.com/bookstore/p/interruption-cameron-steele) Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum" (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/tending-to-the-bonds-between-the) Show Art by Beck Corrigan https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact (https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact) Music by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

6. 

   26 Aug 2026

   Anarchy with Common Sense

   "Anarchy with Common Sense," our first episode explores "work" -- as well as the material obsession with career, status, and money (or the lack of any of these) -- as the true opiate of the masses. We talk about the Great Work of magick as the true opportunity to grow what you care about without fighting shadows. Sometimes that opportunity comes to you through the sudden tragedy of illness; sometimes it comes to you in the only week you've had off work in years. Why is that? What is that about? The conversation explores the Great Work through the lenses of personal experience and spiritual practice, amidst the backdrop of late-stage capitalism in the West. You can find the podcast on any of your favorite podcast streaming services or on Acast. If you enjoyed listening, please like, subscribe, and share, or let us know in the comments! Texts mentioned: Magia (https://barbarouswords.com/book) by Alan Chapman The Lost Soul (https://www.sevenstories.com/books/4275-the-lost-soul?srsltid=AfmBOorns9E-PlpEI0k5nZPY3o9x11zt_ig0DdgnuZZUQ27ONazFZxmY) by Olga Tokarczuk and Joanna Concego Magick Without Tears by Aleister Crowley, edited by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford The Baptist's Head (https://spirit.aeonbooks.co.uk/product/baptists-head-compendium/95249) by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford The Last Night: Anti-work, Atheism, and Adventure (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-last-night-anti-work-atheism-adventure-federico-campagna/4cc0e8541704d8c5?ean=9781782791942&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dsa_nonbrand&utm_content=%7Badgroupname%7D&utm_term=aud-1721779758455%3Adsa-19959388920&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=12440232635&gbraid=0AAAAACfld40gQNpycb7oKRAlcdB7A6hi-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw16_UBhCqARIsAIdOaXznu7Olqyp6sicHb9oNxVUGDuxN3uIlUZhblgz63ZrZRTRsvRZg15UaAmeBEALw_wcB) by Federico Campagna Be Creative (https://bookshop.org/p/books/be-creative-making-a-living-in-the-new-culture-industries-dr-angela-mcrobbie/065d28a15d502108?ean=9780745661957&bkshp-astro=t) by Angela McRobbie The Red Book (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-red-book-a-reader-s-edition-dr-c-g-jung-dr/da2011cbc28c4862?ean=9780393089080) by CG Jung The Introduction to the Black Books (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-black-books-c-g-jung/99366e64cd669771?ean=9780393531770&bkshp-astro=t), by Sonu Shamdasani and CG Jung The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-book-of-the-sacred-magic-of-abramelin-the-mage-s-l-macgregor-mathers/346c47cc0a4d2c65?ean=9780486232119&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%7Bcampaignname%7D&utm_content=6443417794&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16235479093&gbraid=0AAAAACfld43OhgduhA-U-BjqDhrnIlWq1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw16_UBhCqARIsAIdOaXw4KuuQhV7YeZKeOKWtV6UA_2qVoI0KqiZlKJOHBqgOB5-ml_Q42TgaAprWEALw_wcB) tao te ching (https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib157) by Ko Hsüan (Aleister Crowley) Cosmic Trigger (https://bookshop.org/p/books/cosmic-trigger-i-final-secret-of-the-illuminati-robert-anton-wilson/e840485dc70e1bdf?ean=9780692513972&bkshp-astro=t) by Robert Anton Wilson Neurologic (https://archive.org/details/neurologic00learrich) by Timothy Leary The Philosophy of Freedom (https://rsarchive.org/Books/GA004/English/RSP1964/GA004_index.html) by Rudolph Steiner Seven Lectures on Inner Development (https://bookshop.org/p/books/inner-development-seven-lectures-valentin-tomberg/9df70b2aecc12d97) by Valentin Tomberg Meditations on the Tarot (https://bookshop.org/p/books/meditations-on-the-tarot-a-journey-into-christian-hermeticism/ea09a1e0258f8ad5?ean=9781585421619&bkshp-astro=t) by Valentin Tomberg The Occult of Personality Podcast (https://occultofpersonality.net/) by Greg Kaminsky The Qabbalistic Tarot (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-qabalistic-tarot-book-a-textbook-of-mystical-philosophy-robert-wang/1db6177c566e2154?ean=9781572819108&bkshp-astro=t) by Robert Wang The Mystical Qabbalah (https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-mystical-qabalah-dion-fortune/47d2279acf42d631?ean=9781773239361&bkshp-astro=t) by Dion Fortune Order Cameron's book "Interruption" (https://sulbooks.com/bookstore/p/interruption-cameron-steele) Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum" (https://steelecs.substack.com/p/tending-to-the-bonds-between-the) Show Art by Beck Corrigan https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact (https://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contact) Music by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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