by Rebecca Markert
We Dissent is a monthly law podcast hosted by two secular women, who are also attorneys at the Freedom From Religion Foundation and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Join us as we discuss developments affecting the separation of church and state in the US Supreme Court and lower federal courts. We’ll also explore other advocacy work we do to help atheists and other nonreligious people outside the courtroom. We know there are so many atheist podcasts and legal podcasts and you have a lot to choose from, but we hope you’ll join us, the only legal podcast for atheists and agnostics hosted completely by women lawyers. We can’t wait to start these conversations.
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April 18, 2025
<p dir="ltr">Liz and Rebecca break down the latest Supreme Court case, Catholic Charities Bureau, Inc. v. Wisconsin Labor & Industry Review Commission. They explain how the case seeks to expand religious tax exemptions yet again, while threatening the unemployment benefits of thousands of workers. They share their analysis of the oral arguments and predictions on how the Court’s decision will affect workers. </p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><span style= "text-decoration: underline;">Background</span></p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/24-154_10n2.pdf"> Oral Argument </a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/catholic-charities-bureau-inc-v-wisconsin-labor-industry-review-commission/"> SCOTUSblog</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Amicus briefs</p> </li> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/AU-Amicus-Brief-to-SCOTUS-Catholic-Charities-v.-Wisconsin-LIRC-3.5.25.pdf"> Americans United</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://ffrf.org/legal/amicus-briefs/oklahoma-statewide-charter-school-board-v-drummond-2025/"> FFRF</a></p> </li> </ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/006-the-supreme-courts-next-religion-case-could-gut/id1791471198?i=1000701727502"> Liz on the podcast “One Nation, Indivisible” </a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.vox.com/scotus/404678/supreme-court-catholic-charities-wisconsin-religious-liberty-workers"> Vox: “The Supreme Court’s new religion case could devastate American workers”</a></p> </li> </ul> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Upcoming Cases</span></p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/mahmoud-v-taylor/">Mahmoud v. Taylor</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/oklahoma-statewide-charter-school-board-v-drummond/"> Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board v. Drummond</a></p> </li> </ul> <p dir="ltr"> </p> <p dir="ltr">Check us out on <a href= "https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQo6HBZgkqp247TWIvFqeqw">YouTube</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/wedissentpod/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/wedissentpodcast/">Facebook</a>, <a href= "https://bsky.app/profile/wedissentpod.bsky.social">Bluesky</a>, and <a href="https://twitter.com/we_dissent">X</a>.</p> <p dir="ltr">Our website, <a href= "https://we-dissent.org/">we-dissent.org</a>, has more information as well as episode transcripts.</p>
March 19, 2025
<p dir="ltr">Rebecca and Liz welcome Americans United Associate Vice President of Public Policy Dena Sher to the show to discuss President Trump’s spate of executive orders. Dena reminds us what executive orders are and we break down the ones that affect religious liberty and the separation of church and state.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><span style= "text-decoration: underline;">Background</span></p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/about-au/people/dena-sher/">Dena Sher, Associate Vice President of Public Policy at Americans United</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">How to take action</p> </li> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://ffrfaction.org/join-us/">FFRF action alerts</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/get-involved/au-action-network/">AU action alerts</a></p> </li> </ul> </ul> <p> </p> <p dir="ltr"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Executive Orders</span></p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/establishment-of-the-white-house-faith-office/"> EO establishing the White House Faith Office</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/eradicating-anti-christian-bias/"> EO creating a task force to eradicate anti-Christian bias</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-indoctrination-in-k-12-schooling/"> EO banning the use of federal funds to support gender ideology and discriminatory equity theories</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/expanding-educational-freedom-and-opportunity-for-families/"> EO expanding vouchers and school choice programs</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/"> EO defining gender as male and female</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/"> EO restricting transgender people from participating in sports </a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-children-from-chemical-and-surgical-mutilation/"> EO restricting gender affirming care</a><strong id= "docs-internal-guid-663ba051-7fff-39d6-fc68-b5191642c124"></strong></p> </li> </ul> <p dir="ltr"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Other Legislation Discussed</span></p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/9462">Educational Choice for Children Act</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/how-we-protect-religious-freedom/do-no-harm-act/"> Do No Harm Act</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Louisiana law that would require Ten Commandments in classrooms</p> </li> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://ffrf.org/legal/ongoing-lawsuits/ffrf-sues-over-ten-commandments/"> FFRF case page</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/how-we-protect-religious-freedom/legal-cases/cases/rev-roake-v-brumley/"> AU case page</a></p> </li> </ul> </ul> <p dir="ltr"> </p> <p dir="ltr">Check us out on <a href= "https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQo6HBZgkqp247TWIvFqeqw">YouTube</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/wedissentpod/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/wedissentpodcast/">Facebook</a>, <a href= "https://bsky.app/profile/wedissentpod.bsky.social">Bluesky</a>, and <a href="https://twitter.com/we_dissent">X</a>.</p> <p dir="ltr">Our website, <a href= "https://we-dissent.org/">we-dissent.org</a>, has more information as well as episode transcripts.</p> <p> </p>
February 19, 2025
<p dir="ltr">Liz and Rebecca take a break from the regular schedule to answer listener questions. They talk about how the founders viewed state/church separation, the issues our movement should focus on, and how to engage women in the cause of secularism. </p> <p dir="ltr"> </p> <p dir="ltr"><span style= "text-decoration: underline;">Resources</span></p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/project2025/">AU’s Project 2025 Hub</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Abortion resources </p> </li> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "http://aidaccess.org">aidaccess.org</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "http://plancpills.org">plancpills.org</a></p> </li> </ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials">How to Contact Your Elected Officials</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">FFRF </p> </li> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://ffrf.org/get-involved/donate/">Join FFRF</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://ffrf.org/get-involved/donate/">Donate to FFRF</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://ffrfaction.org/join-us/">Sign up for action alerts</a></p> </li> </ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Americans United </p> </li> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/donate/become-a-member/">Join AU</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/donate/">Donate to AU</a></p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="2"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.au.org/get-involved/au-action-network/">Sign up for action alerts</a></p> </li> </ul> </ul> <p dir="ltr"> </p> <p dir="ltr">Check us out on <a href= "https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQo6HBZgkqp247TWIvFqeqw">YouTube</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/wedissentpod/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/wedissentpodcast/">Facebook</a>, <a href= "https://bsky.app/profile/wedissentpod.bsky.social">Bluesky</a>, and <a href="https://twitter.com/we_dissent">X</a>.</p> <p>Our website, <a href= "https://we-dissent.org/">we-dissent.org</a>, has more information as well as episode transcripts.</p>
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