What It's Like To Be You

About What It's Like To Be You

Intimate interviews with all Enneagram types. Produced by The Enneagram School & hosted by Josh Lavine. Watch on YouTube @TheEnneagramSchool.

Publisher

Josh Lavine

Category

education · health & fitness · society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

Yes

First episode

7 Jun 2022

Latest episode

25 Nov 2025

Latest episodes

97 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   25 Nov 2025

   #64: Enneagram Type 9 Panel

   Do you ever feel like you're trying to keep it cool, but you’re secretly raging under the surface? If you're a Type 9, or close to one, you’ve likely wrestled with feeling overlooked, overextended, and underboundaried. This rich panel conversation dives into the lived experience of core Type 9s, shedding light on how the desire for peace often masks struggles with anger, identity, and merging with others. Learn how the different wings (9w1 vs. 9w8) shape how Nines handle conflict, personal space, and boundaries. Hear real Enneagram 9s describe how “merging” actually feels in the body, and why it’s not just a metaphor. Discover the surprising assertiveness that emerges when a Nine feels truly safe and situated. Tune in now to hear this heartfelt, funny conversation that will transform how you understand and embody the Nine experience. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 01:03 - Introduction of our 9 panel, type 9 description, topics of merging; boundaries, the body center 19:42 - Managing our sensory availability, handling 'violations', individuating while not dissolving, anger revealing needs/attention and performance 54:03 - ‘Premature buddha', 9s coming in to their power 01:04:42 - Type 9 in leadership, comfort vs 'finding the grooves' to fit in, being a part of the environment vs feeling energetic force fields 01:19:13 - Distinctions between 9w1 and 9w8, how a wing supports attachment, different forms of 'peacekeeping', frustration or rejection 01:46:30 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9

2. 

   26 Aug 2025

   #63: Omar (SO/SP 6w7 693) – Being the “Hell Side of Attachment”, Punk Scene Irony, Finding Truth in the Split, and Crawling Back to Life

   Omar Sullivan (SO/SP 6w7 693) is an absolutely hilarious and insightful person, sharing how being a Type 6 and growing up with a loyalty to “doing the right thing” collided with an internal drive to poke holes in systems, ideologies, and even his own beliefs. We trace how a Type 6 mind pings between self-doubt and defiant clarity, often using humor as both camouflage and truth-teller—a sort of “jester’s privilege” that lets him say what others won’t. We talk about the contradictions within punk culture, the irony of the sustainability industry, and the emotional truths that surface when a 6 splits inward instead of seeking answers outside. We also touch on the mental gymnastics of manufacturing certainty, ego fixation in relationships, and how being “the man behind the memes” reveals the necessity of division before integration.This is a loaded conversation exploring the energy of 6, the comedy of self-awareness, and how creative life often begins at the fracture point. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 02:52 - Improv in college and creating a lasting impact, anti-elitism and 6 leadership, super-ego and doing the 'right thing' 14:39 - Making self laugh, ping-ponging, the humor of 6w7, "the jester's privilege", irony and playing offense to play defense, 3w2 vs 3w4 exploration 28:15 - Pointing out the contradictions and irony of the punk scene, so/sp call-outs within the culture, questioning authenticity 37:34 - Holding contradictions within self, community orientation of 6, finding resonances within 'scenes', frustration turns to the eternal seeker, taking things to the extreme to understand it 45:02 - Creative tension: the duality of 6s, inner split exposing emotional truths in creativity, getting into Omar's novel and the so/sp 6 arch 58:07 - Humor as a survival mechanism, intellectual and detached comparative to 'fighter', relationship to confidence and the 'dark truth' 01:06:01 - Manufacturing a sense of certainty through the mental center, better understanding reality, feeling social stability versus rejection 01:16:08 - Not pinning self to external explanation: bermuda's tuning inward, so/sp not contextualizing actions in the collective sense, being affected causing alienation 01:21:57 - Reinventing self, 'letting loose', being creatively fueled through adventures, the mental imagery of crawling back to life 01:31:19 - Navigating relationships and ego fixations, "the truth won't save you", 6 being the hell side of attachment type; roasting 6s 01:42:34 - 6's splitting showing ugly necessity of division prior to integration, “the man behind the memes” 01:47:57 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

3. 

   19 Aug 2025

   #62: Celia Murnock (SP/SO 6w5 613) - Wearing a Seatbelt Through Life, Making Things More Good (Not Just Less Bad), and Certainty as a Moving Target

   Celia Murnock (SP/SO 6w5 613) is a Type 6 whose intellectual clarity and emotional precision root our conversation in complexity: her passion for biomedical anthropology becomes a metaphor for her life’s work — finding and teasing out gray areas in a world that demands black-and-white answers. We trace the architecture of Six through her eyes: the struggle to trust her own mind, the looping vigilance against being naïve, and the quiet grief of feeling like the adult in the room since childhood. The conversation moves fluidly between micro and macro, from early recognitions of injustice to the moral orientation that propels her forward — often at great personal cost. We explore the distinctions between 6w5 and 6w7: the cagey inner withdrawal, the instinct to "snip the threads" before attachment hurts too much, and the quiet resistance to being shaped by others’ expectations. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Intro 02:42 - Interests and pathways in education and career. Biomedical anthropology: finding and teasing out the gray areas, solving intricate/systemic problems 12:28 - Not trusting the human mind; the finite and subjective experience, 6s horrified awareness, understanding and orienting to reality and certainty 21:27 - 6w5 versus 6w7, 5 wanting to 'snip the threads', sensitivities to attachment 'mismatches' 26:05 - Childhood recognitions of morality, 6s realism and 'calling out the thing', an inherent obligation to not be short-sighted by clarity and subjectivity, self-justification to 'making a stink' 39:09 - Structural rigidity, macro vs micro and personal philosophies of life, stepping away from the microscope, injustices of the world 47:33 - "Too many arteries bleeding"; super-ego of 6, being a porcupine or a bottle of soda that's been shaken, inner pressure, wearing a seatbelt in life 56:51 - Struggling to find serenity, current life situation and tracking decisions through type structure, identity wrapped up into being the certainty 01:11:35 - Making things more good instead of less bad, 'soul purpose'; depth over breadth 01:22:20 - 6w5 cagey nature, "I'm not trying to not touch you, I'm trying to keep you from touching me", private internal withdrawal, not signing the contract, expectations vs responses 01:30:48 - Making a mess, cleaning up after ourselves, 6-1 stem reflections, resignation with attachments 01:37:10 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram6

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