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What the REF?!
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Welcome What the REF - Our attempt at demystifying everyone's favourite national research assessment exercise!<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
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July 22, 2026
What the REF is it like to start the REF?!
<p>How do you do your first REF when there is no instruction manual? In this episode of What the REF, we meet Arts University Plymouth as they prepare for their very first REF submission. Alexandra Murphy and Ian Hutchinson share the excitement, confusion and opportunities of building a REF culture from scratch at a specialist arts university. We explore practice-based research, "not-traditionally submitted outputs", creative portfolios and the relationship between art and research. Plus, we discuss the demise of Research Professional, REF and research integrity, and why REF 2029 might be a live experiment for the future of research assessment.</p><br><p>Our hosts are all members of the Hidden REF committee based at the universities of Southampton and Bristol: Gemma Derrick - a self-confessed REF junkie - Ola Thomson and Simon Hettrick. Our producer is Ben Thomas.</p><p>Find out more about the HiddenREF campaign at <a href="https://hidden-ref.org/ " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hidden-REF.org</a></p><br><p>'What the REF' is made possible by the Embedding Trust in Evaluation (E-TIE) research grant from Research England.</p><br><p>Want to get in touch? Email: WTreF@hidden-ref.org</p><br><p>WTreF is co-produced by Simon Hettrick, Gemma Derrick, James Baker and Ben Thomas. Video and Sound production by Ben Thomas.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

June 24, 2026
What the REF did we learn at ARMA?!
<p>Episode 23 of What the REF looks back at the recent ARMA Conference and the team’s take on various sessions there on the Research Excellence Framework. Gemma, Ola, and James discuss uncertainty around REF 2029, proposals to broaden what counts as research outputs, and gaps between policy language and what actually happens in institutions. They also dig into some of the bigger critiques of the REF — from Stefan Collini’s call to scrap it altogether, to counter-arguments that stress the need for accountability and a fair way of distributing research funding. Along the way, they share reflections from ARMA workshops, swap insights from creativity-focused university events, and dive into some REF folklore.</p><br><p>Our hosts are all members of the Hidden REF committee based at the universities of Southampton and Bristol: Gemma Derrick – a self-confessed REF junkie – Ola Thomson, and James Baker.Our producer is Ben Thomas.</p><p>Find out more about the HiddenREF campaign at <a href="https://hidden-ref.org/ " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hidden-REF.org</a></p><br><p>'What the REF' is made possible by the Embedding Trust in Evaluation (E-TIE) research grant from Research England.</p><br><p>Want to get in touch? Email: WTreF@hidden-ref.org</p><br><p>WTreF is co-produced by Simon Hettrick, Gemma Derrick, James Baker and Ben Thomas. Video and Sound production by Ben Thomas.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>

June 10, 2026
What the REF: In conversation with Steven Hill
<p>Find out more about the HiddenREF campaign at <a href="https://hidden-ref.org/ " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hidden-REF.org</a></p><br><p>'What the REF' is made possible by the Embedding Trust in Evaluation (E-TIE) research grant from Research England.</p><br><p>Want to get in touch? Email: WTreF@hidden-ref.org</p><br><p>WTreF is co-produced by Simon Hettrick, Gemma Derrick, James Baker and Ben Thomas. Video and Sound production by Ben Thomas.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
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