"What's Next?" is a political podcast where hosts Emily Matthews and Daniel Hare bring you distinguished guests each week for conversations about how to restore the conservative movement in the post-Trump era. If you are feeling politically homeless or discouraged that the extremes are all there is, this show is for you! In addition to introducing you to terrific guests, we will also share resources and ideas if you would like to get involved in making the change we want to see. From media to grassroots engagement, “What’s Next?” will outline multiple strategies we believe are constructive ways we can collectively move forward. We welcome all listeners, no matter where you fall on the political spectrum. In the end, we are all Americans! We look forward to bringing you this weekly discussion. See you there!
Emily and Daniel share their thoughts on Season One and answer questions they asked of guests throughout the season.
Season One Guests:
Bill Kristol: @BillKristol
Michael Wood: @michaelwoodtx
Rachael Larimore and Sarah Rumpf: @RachaelBL and @rumpfshaker
Elizabeth Neumann: @NeuSummits
Matt Lewis: @mattklewis
Tim Miller: @Timodc
Reed Howard: @ReedHowardVA
Corey Nathan and Jessica Stone: @coreysnathan and @JessicaStoneTV
Heath Mayo: @HeathMayo
Joe Walsh: @WalshFreedom
Other follow recommendations:
The Dispatch: @thedispatch; thedispatch.com
The Bulwark: @bulwarkonline; thebulwark.com
Jonah Goldberg: @jonahdispatch
David French: @davidafrench
Michael Smerconish: @smerconish
Jennifer Horn: @nhjennifer
Watch out for:
Principles First Summit / October 2-3, 2021, Washington, D.C. / https://www.eventbrite.com/e/principles-first-the-summit-tickets-142196524633 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/principles-first-the-summit-tickets-142196524633)
Season Two!
1 Jul 2021
Season One Finale Wrap Up - Part 1
Emily and Daniel recap each of the 10 episodes from Season One, and share their biggest takeaways from each guest. Thanks so much to all the guests below and each of you for listening!
Bill Kristol: https://twitter.com/BillKristol (https://twitter.com/BillKristol)
Michael Wood: https://twitter.com/michaelwoodtx (https://twitter.com/michaelwoodtx)
Rachael Larimore and Sarah Rumpf: https://twitter.com/RachaelBL (https://twitter.com/RachaelBL) and https://twitter.com/rumpfshaker (https://twitter.com/rumpfshaker)
Elizabeth Neumann: https://twitter.com/NeuSummits (https://twitter.com/NeuSummits)
Matt Lewis: https://twitter.com/mattklewis (https://twitter.com/mattklewis)
Tim Miller: https://twitter.com/Timodc (https://twitter.com/Timodc)
Reed Howard: https://twitter.com/ReedHowardVA (https://twitter.com/ReedHowardVA)
Corey Nathan and Jessica Stone: https://twitter.com/coreysnathan (https://twitter.com/coreysnathan) and https://twitter.com/JessicaStoneTV (https://twitter.com/JessicaStoneTV)
Heath Mayo: https://twitter.com/HeathMayo (https://twitter.com/HeathMayo)
Joe Walsh: https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom (https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom)
24 Jun 2021
Former Congressman and 2020 Presidential Candidate Joe Walsh
Former Congressman and 2020 presidential candidate Joe Walsh talks about his tea party roots, going from Trump supporter to running against him, and the need for a third party.
Joe Walsh links:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom (https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom)
NYT Op-Ed asking for someone to primary Trump: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/opinion/joe-walsh-trump-primary.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/opinion/joe-walsh-trump-primary.html)
The Bulwark piece on the need for a third party: https://thebulwark.com/its-time-to-plant-a-new-flag/ (https://thebulwark.com/its-time-to-plant-a-new-flag/)
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Silence-Calling-Cultish-Moronic-Authoritarian/dp/006301002X (https://www.amazon.com/Silence-Calling-Cultish-Moronic-Authoritarian/dp/006301002X)
Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f-ck-silence-with-joe-walsh/id681477236 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f-ck-silence-with-joe-walsh/id681477236)
17 Jun 2021
Principles First Founder Heath Mayo
Principles First Founder Heath Mayo talks about a grass roots effort, supporting those who are speaking out, and the Summit coming in October.
Heath on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeathMayo (https://twitter.com/HeathMayo)
Principles First on Twitter: https://twitter.com/principles_1st (https://twitter.com/principles_1st)
Principles First Summit, October 2-3, Washington, D.C.: https://www.principlesfirst.us/the-summit.html#/ (https://www.principlesfirst.us/the-summit.html#/)
A Call For American Renewal: https://www.acallforamericanrenewal.com/ (https://www.acallforamericanrenewal.com/)
10 Jun 2021
Mashup Episode with Talkin' Politics and Religion Without Killin' Each Other Hosts Corey Nathan and Jessica Stone
The four of us banter over how our faith informs our politics, are "straddlers" the future of the GOP, and how our small slice of the political pie can come together and make a difference.
Talkin' Politics and Religion without Killing Each Other
PODCAST: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talkin-politics-religion-without-killin-each-other/id1536169792 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talkin-politics-religion-without-killin-each-other/id1536169792)
TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tpandrpod (https://twitter.com/tpandrpod)
Corey Nathan TWITTER: https://twitter.com/coreysnathan (https://twitter.com/coreysnathan)
Jessica Stone TWITTER: https://twitter.com/JessicaStoneTV (https://twitter.com/JessicaStoneTV)
Jessica Stone LINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicalstone/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicalstone/)
Jessica Stone BOOK (Crossing the Divide): https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Divide-Lessons-Cross-Cultural-Environments/dp/1736450816/ref (https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Divide-Lessons-Cross-Cultural-Environments/dp/1736450816/ref)=asc_df_1736450816/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=509245866633&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9973343914042331606&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027505&hvtargid=pla-1266191160401&psc=1
3 Jun 2021
Co-Founder of Biden Republicans Reed Howard
Reed Howard talks Biden Republicans, carving out a principles first faction in the GOP, and (gasp) policies!
Links to Reed:
Reed's Twitter: https://twitter.com/ReedHowardVA (https://twitter.com/ReedHowardVA)
Republican Women For Progress Twitter: https://twitter.com/RWFProgress (https://twitter.com/RWFProgress)
Principle's First: https://www.principlesfirst.us (https://www.principlesfirst.us) (there will be a Summit this fall so stay tuned!)
Links to organizations mentioned:
Niskanen Center: https://www.niskanencenter.org/ (https://www.niskanencenter.org/)
American Conservation Coalition: https://www.acc.eco/ (https://www.acc.eco/)
The Welcome Party: https://www.thewelcomeparty.org/ (https://www.thewelcomeparty.org/)
Links to Resources:
Last Exit from Autocracy: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/last-exit-trump-autocracy/616466/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/last-exit-trump-autocracy/616466/)
Conservative Parties and the Birth of Democracy: https://www.amazon.com/Conservative-Democracy-Cambridge-Comparative-Politics/dp/0521172993/ref (https://www.amazon.com/Conservative-Democracy-Cambridge-Comparative-Politics/dp/0521172993/ref)=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=daniel+ziblatt&qid=1622734668&sr=8-1
Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? (MLK's final book): https://www.amazon.com/Where-Do-We-Here-Community/dp/0807000671 (https://www.amazon.com/Where-Do-We-Here-Community/dp/0807000671)
Duverger's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law# (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law#)
The Future is Factions: https://nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-future-is-faction (https://nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-future-is-faction)
27 May 2021
Tim Miller: Writer-at-Large at The Bulwark
Tim talks about why the GOP continues to follow Trumpism, ways non-Trump conservatives can move forward, and why he thinks this is a long game.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Timodc (https://twitter.com/Timodc)
The Bulwark: https://thebulwark.com/author/tim-miller/ (https://thebulwark.com/author/tim-miller/)
Not My Party (YouTube): https://rb.gy/f2jxab (https://rb.gy/f2jxab)
Not My Party (Snapchat): https://www.snapchat.com/discover/Not_My_Party/1578956726 (https://www.snapchat.com/discover/Not_My_Party/1578956726)
20 May 2021
Matt Lewis - Conservative Commentator, The Daily Beast Senior Columnist, CNN Contributor
Matt Lewis, senior columnist at The Daily Beast, CNN contributor, host of Matt Lewis and the News (podcast), and author of the book Too Dumb to Fail joins us on today's show! Matt talks about creating a healthy media diet, living in the political wilderness, and what seems to be uniting the current Republican Party.
Links:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattklewis (https://twitter.com/mattklewis)
Daily Beast: https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/matt-lewis (https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/matt-lewis)
Substack/Email Newsletter: https://t.co/KgimPkli7t?amp=1 (https://t.co/KgimPkli7t?amp=1)
Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/matt-lewis-and-the-news/id429212951 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/matt-lewis-and-the-news/id429212951)
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mattlewis (https://www.patreon.com/mattlewis)
Too Dumb To Fail: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X7DHWGM/ref (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X7DHWGM/ref)=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Referenced work:
Daily Beast article about evangelical support for Trump: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-evangelicals-trump-obsession-has-tarnished-christianity?ref=scroll (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-evangelicals-trump-obsession-has-tarnished-christianity?ref=scroll)
Daily Beast article about Republican credibility on Big Government/spending: https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-party-has-been-overtaken-by-cancel-culture-trolls (https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-party-has-been-overtaken-by-cancel-culture-trolls)
13 May 2021
Former DHS Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and National Security Contributor to ABC Elizabeth Neumann
Elizabeth Neumann talks about the Republican Accountability Project, adults in the room of the Trump administration, and the intersection of politics and faith.
Mentioned notes/links:
- Sarah Isgur (The Dispatch) writes in the Washington Post about how those who thought they were helping maintain sanity in the Trump White House may have done more harm than good. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sarah-isgur-shallow-state-trump-doj/2020/12/23/e843da1a-4561-11eb-a277-49a6d1f9dff1_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sarah-isgur-shallow-state-trump-doj/2020/12/23/e843da1a-4561-11eb-a277-49a6d1f9dff1_story.html)
- Republican Accountability Project Scorecard: https://accountability.gop/report-card/ (https://accountability.gop/report-card/)
- Bill Kristol on Episode 1 talking about the Republican Accountability Project: https://www.spreaker.com/user/danielhare/the-bulwark-editor-at-large-bill-kristol (https://www.spreaker.com/user/danielhare/the-bulwark-editor-at-large-bill-kristol)
- Dr. Russell Moore book Onward: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NMJ37N/ref (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NMJ37N/ref)=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
- Signatory to "A Call For American Renewal": https://www.acallforamericanrenewal.com/ (https://www.acallforamericanrenewal.com/)
6 May 2021
Women in the Conservative Movement with Rachael Larimore and Sarah Rumpf
Rachael Larimore of The Dispatch and Sarah Rumpf of Mediaite talk about where the GOP is going off course, the importance of local politics and local media, and ways for citizens to get involved in the process.
Rachael Larimore bio / Twitter: https://thedispatch.com/people/4860655-rachael-larimore (https://thedispatch.com/people/4860655-rachael-larimore) / https://twitter.com/RachaelBL (https://twitter.com/RachaelBL)
Sarah Rumpf bio / Twitter: https://www.mediaite.com/author/sarah-rumpf/ (https://www.mediaite.com/author/sarah-rumpf/) / https://twitter.com/rumpfshaker (https://twitter.com/rumpfshaker)
29 Apr 2021
Texas-6th Congressional Candidate Michael Wood
Michael Wood, candidate for Congress in Texas's 6th Congressional District, joins us on today's show. Michael talks about his May 1st, 2021 election, running as a post-Trump conservative, and how this a fight for the soul of the Republican Party.
You can read more about Michael and support/donate to his campaign here: https://michaelwoodforcongress.com/ (https://michaelwoodforcongress.com/)
29 Apr 2021
The Bulwark Editor-At-Large Bill Kristol
Bill Kristol, former chief-of-staff to Vice-President Dan Quayle, founder and Editor-At-Large of The Weekly Standard, and now Editor-At-Large of The Bulwark, joins us on today's show.
https://thebulwark.com/author/billkristol/ (https://thebulwark.com/author/billkristol/)
29 Apr 2021
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