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Welcome to "What's Up, Doc?" ! This informational interview series is designed to support the professional development needs and career exploration efforts of U-M Postdoctoral Fellows. Each episode features a former U-M Postdoctoral Fellow who will discuss their experience transitioning into their career of choice and share advice to help you navigate your own postdoctoral journey. Created by a U-M Postdoctoral Fellow, for Postdoctoral Fellows, in collaboration with the Office of Postdoctoral Affairs.

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Levin</li> </ul> <h2 class="wp-block-heading">Transcript</h2> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Hello everyone and welcome to 'What's Up, Doc?', an initiative developed by the University of Michigan Office of Postdoctoral Affairs. 'What's Up, Doc?' is a professional development interview series created to support the career exploration effort and professional development needs of current U-M postdocs. You will hear from former U-M postdocs discuss their own postdoc experience and share advice on their experience transitioning into their career of choice. We hope you will get the answers you want and need to make an informed decision about your own career. I am Anne-Sophie Bohrer</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>And I am Maurinne Bonnet.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Today our guest is Doctor Rita Avelar, who completed her postdoc at the University of Michigan in 2025. Rita is now the lead scientist of research and translational discovery at CircNova in Ann Arbor. Welcome Rita and thank you for joining us.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Hi Rita, welcome. Before we dive into what you actually do in your new job, could you please introduce yourself and, with a bit of your background, how did you end up doing your postdoc at the U of M?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah. So I started my postdoc right after I graduated from my PhD, also at the University of Michigan. I did my PhD with Doctor DiFeo in the pathology department and it felt like the right fit for me to stay a little longer to continue the project that I had during my PhD to see it published and also to expand my expertise from this lab and actually leverage their collaborations at the time, which actually led me to the job that I have today.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>So you work for CircNova. Can you tell us a little bit about that company and what they do?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah. So CircNova is actually a biotech that is located in Ann Arbor here in Michigan. And what we do, we use our AI driven drug discovery to accelerate the development of RNA therapeutics. So what that really means is that we are using our proprietary AI Nova engine technology in order to help us predict the RNA structure, binding affinities and biological function to help us engineer new medicines and therapeutic approaches and hope to treat human disease.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Very cool. So like I said earlier, you're the lead scientist. So can you tell us a little bit about what this role entails, what it's like, what it looks like day-to-day?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah. So as the lead scientist, what I really do is to establish and direct all CircNova's experimental biology programs and platforms. So what I really do, and what I'm responsible to do, is to bridge the molecular biology in human disease with the drug discovery to accelerate CircNova's pipeline from early stage innovation to hopefully translational discovery. So my day-to-day really is to help design, execute, and oversee the wet lab research. So I seek to validate all the RNA therapeutics that are generated through our AI and then advance the discovery platforms and introduce the therapeutic programs that we have in collaboration with other biotechs as well as academic institutions.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>So it seems that you collaborate with a lot of people. So how many people work at CircNova?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah. So we actually are a smaller biotech right now. We've been around for about two years and right now we are a total of 11 employees.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Okay, cool. So you have a startup label, I would say.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Correct yeah. I think we're just finally trying to transition from startup to actually biotech.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>You know what it would take to actually transition from startup to biotech? Is this just the number of people working there, is it in terms of funding? What does it take?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah, so I'm learning a lot about this being in the startup and the biotech world you get to wear all these different hats and you're no longer just elite scientists, you're also, you know, the manager and the project manager, and you know, like the investor interface representative, right. So you have all of these different functionalities that you never really got to explore before during your PhD. So from my understanding, it really is devoted on exposure and funding basically. So we have seed rounds and depending on where we are at the moment and how much we're able to fundraise and how far our platform or our product, right, is being put through is what defines us as a biotech instead of a startup.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>So if we come back to like when you were a postdoc and you approached your like transition into this career, how did you actually navigate your transition from your postdoc to your new role? And especially, I would be interested in hearing how did you approach that conversation with your PI?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah, that's a really interesting question because I believe it's very different from multiple people and in different labs. So when I joined the DiFeo lab for a postdoc, we both knew and agreed that, you know, I needed to transition into a new role soon enough, just because I had been with Annalisa for a quite a while as a research assistant and then as a PhD student, and we both knew that staying within her umbrella was going to possibly jeopardize my future career just because I needed to explore other avenues and make sure that I can actually flourish as a scientist in different environments. So we both had that perception from early on. The reason why I really stayed as a postdoc is because she was an expert, and the lead expert in micro RNAs, which was something I had never explored during my PhD. And it made sense for me to leverage that expertise from her. And so until I actually got that foundation and taking a lead role in the lab in the micro RNA field, it didn't feel right to move on from my postdoctoral career. And so that conversation started from the very beginning for us since I started my postdoc with her, so that was an easy, you know, transition for me to tell her what my goal really was for those that don't have that relationship with their PIs from the beginning, right? I think it's definitely a conversation that should happen during interviews, because then they know the expectation that you have from the beginning and there's no surprises. I think what really helped me was to connect with multiple different people and Dr. DiFeo was always very helpful in the reach out to the groups that she had as part of their collaborative environment. And also going to conferences really helped me explore what I wanted to do next. So that conversation was pretty standard for me. And as the postdoc lead scientist that I had been the senior scientist in that lab for a while now, I was able to communicate to, to Dr. DiFeo that I wanted to collaborate more with industry partnerships so that I could have that transition eventually and move from academia into more of an industry setting. She established those communications and I was going to be the lead scientist in the DiFeo lab for CircNova and eventually a position was open and became available and I was able to actually transitioned from my postdoc job into the CircNova job.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>I think it's a, it's a very good point, like having this conversation as early as possible with the PIs so, like you said, both know the expectations and your PI can also try to be supportive, either by connecting you with people or either you know, just give you the space and the time you need to explore career options, network with people, and stuff like that, yeah.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>I would actually add too that it's important to have that conversation early on, like you said, because you might absolutely love working for your PI in their lab but you know, you know you're going to gain, like, so many much more skills and expertise and all these things, but essentially talking with your PI early also allows you to realize whether or not your PI is the great mentor support you're going to need for that transition. And if they're not, that's fine, but at least you know it early on so that you can, like you said, go and find other people to talk to. Like, you know, have informational interview, which is kind of like what this podcast is about, but also like, start networking to find those people that have those connections to really help you long term, when you're ready to transition into your next career.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>I couldn't agree more and it was really interesting for me specifically because I transitioned from a graduate student role to a postdoctoral role in the same lab and actually watching my PI adjust to my new needs and my new role was actually really (in) telling on how important that mentorship and support is to adjust with you and your role. The biggest reason why I think I recommend to talk to your PI right away is so that they know what you were looking for because some opportunities come from random conversations that they're having at like not only conference, but even sometimes just, you know, during class or doing, doing any other type of interactive scientific, you know, communication. And they're like "Oh, I know someone that is actually interested in following that career, I should put you in touch with that person". And if you never mentioned it before, you are not going to be in the back of their mind when these opportunities come about.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Yeah.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>I tried so hard to find a job that like fit exactly my skill set and that's exactly my dream job and what I wanted to do, and I talked to the right people, I have the right, you know, networking and it just never happened. And you know, this random collaboration that happened through a different graduate student doing a poster presentation, you know, and when they reached out to Dr. DiFeo, she was like "Oh, I know someone who's interested in doing that". And she would have never known, she would have never thought about me or, you know, she didn't even, she could have not even taken that opportunity with that collaboration because she didn't think of someone that could take over if she had too much going on in her lab. And so I think that really speaks for, like you said, there's a balance and there's definitely a supportive environment and communication that has to happen between you and your postdoctoral mentor in order for them to even know how to help you.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>It's, it's actually very true and as we are conducting more interviews for the podcast, something we've learned about people transitioning is sometimes they're transitioning into their career with intention; that's the career they wanted, the job they wanted, but most of the time is some kind of like you were at the right place at the right time, it's kind of serendipity or luck. And even, even if you don't know what you want to do, we still encourage you to talk to your PI because they can ask you some questions and, and by answering those questions that help you, you know, figure out your career or like they can direct you to the OPA or the OGPS office.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>You mentioned that you had that conversation saying you wanted to transition from academia to industry. So my question is that now that you're working in a startup, was it your initial plan? Like did you know what it was going to be like or was it again, like happenstance, complete coincidence that you ended up there? And if it is, what were the things you leveraged from your training to get you the job essentially?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>That's a great question, actually never really brainstormed about that particular thought, so I would say that first of all, biotech or the startup world is definitely something that you learn in the theory, but practically completely different I would say. I knew to expect, you know, like you're going to have to wear different hats and the company starts kind of like small and you have to be there supportive of each other and different people will have different expertises that they will leverage in different scenarios and situations. But it's so much more than that, right? Like startups are really just new and they don't know what to do, and maybe they, they can be the 3rd or the 4th try of a CEO because they're also learning how to adventure through their network, right? Like our CEO is an exceptional fundraiser, but also she came from the automotive industry, so how is she in the biomedical field, right? Like you just get these completely different exposures that you never really thought about and I'll tell you like you really have to have a very talented team to come together and to work together in order to be able to succeed, and we are really the example of that. And I don't say that just because I work there, but it's just, like, amazing how these completely different talents that come from different backgrounds can come together and just be amazing at what they do. And you know, like my background is pure biology, and actually protein biology and oncology, and now I'm doing RNA biology and it's completely different, you know, disease setting and neurophysiology and need to leverage AI which I had never had exposure to, right? So you can't really train for this. You kind of just go with the flow and you just have to be really open minded and willing to explore and to just risk. And that's what I really like about the startup world is that every day is different. You don't really have a set expectation and it's going to go that way every time. Obviously, with that comes, you know, risk and that risk for us postdocs is something that it's definitely outside of our comfort zone. When you know when we leave Michigan and we have OPA has been incredible for me specifically, OGPS, and as a graduate student, I leveraged so much of the Rackham opportunities as well. So it's a little different and I'm a little bit more used to that, having that support and in the biotech world, you're kind of just like are out for yourself and for me as an international postdoc, that risk sometimes is a little bit scary just because you never know what's going to happen. Funding is very volatile, and it can happen that you're not going to be able to continue in that position for a lot longer. And that's a little scary because it's less stable and, you know, having to work my visa situation with my working permit is definitely something that I need to keep in mind and that was a lot more stable at the University of Michigan. But I work with incredible people, and they're very willing to, to see me through in this role and that's what I have for me that a lot of people unfortunately don't have. And I am honestly rediscovering my whole career and it is nothing what I expected. As a PhD student I actually did an internship at Merck, so I knew I wanted industry then and that's really when I had my first taste of what it felt like to be outside of academia. And I that's what I wanted to do, that's what I thought I wanted to do. I wanted to go into industry, I wanted to go to big pharma to have a stable job, you know, a nine to five that would still give me security but wanted to explore and be independent in my research career. And when I interviewed for the biotech and really asked each person what they would do in their day-to-day and how they would leverage their scientific ideas, I fell in love with it and I just, I honestly do not regret it at all.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>So you said like you, you did an internship at Merck. And so, what are the main differences you see between, you know, kind of a big pharma like Merck or a big company and CircNova and what made you choose a small company versus going back to Merck or, or another big pharma?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah, that's a really great question. I asked myself that question almost every day just because, like, something big, as big as Merck, right? Like I said, you have a lot of financial stability or at least more than the biotech world. And I would say the programs are a lot better established so you kind of get hired for a discovery program that you know, at least initially, what the main overall goal of the company is right and these companies are very well established and they have been doing this type of work for a really long time. What I love about the big pharma is the type of people that you learn from, right? Like you have very experienced people that have done this for a really long time. They are very well knowledged in what drug discovery is, what the oncology opportunity really looks like, right? And you have scientists from all over the world and from all kinds of backgrounds you have, you work with chemists and with the pharmacology group and the in vivo group, so you really are this giant group of people that you really learn from. In the biotech, right, you start small and what you don't know, instead of reaching out to an expert that is in your group, you have to just go and figure it out yourself. So that was scary in the beginning, you know, like, because I have an oncology background in proteins. Why would I know RNA in neurophysiology, right? It, it, it just like you become an expert in such a niche field that you're comfortable with, then you kind of forget that you have a PhD and you can adventure yourself through other expert fields. So that is something that I thought I wouldn't thrive in, and I was definitely wrong, because I think that actually has challenged me. Me and Maurinne talk so much about this. It's like, do you really know what you want to do? Are you really going to be good at it? Are you going to be able to thrive in that environment? Is it scary to go a little bit out of your comfort zone because you've been doing this type of research for so long? And in my case, I rediscovered myself and I kind of felt like I was reaching a plateau in my career where I was really good at what I do, and I have excellent hands to execute the experiments that I needed, but I actually missed using my brain a lot more, you know, like I needed to push myself outside of my comfort zone to rediscover myself as a scientist.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>You know, it's very funny what you just said, because I also do some consulting for a company that actually work in the exact field I'm supposed to be an expert in, according to my PhD and my postdoc experience, and every single day I work with them, I realized how little I know in this field I'm supposed to be the expert, especially from academia to industry or biotech, startups like you have to learn so much more and you're like, well, actually, I know nothing. (laughs) Or actually I realized what I don't know and I'm working to know those things, but very interesting to get your insights in the differences big pharma and startup.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>And I will even add that I loved how you said I reminded myself I have a PhD because it is something that I say often in advising, like one-on-one advising meetings, especially people who, who want to remain in a technical field where it's like, yes, you have the techniques, you have the technical background, but even if it's not your field of expertise, you have a PhD. By default, having a PhD, and if you have that postdoc experience even more, it's essentially your golden ticket to say I can learn, I can do the research, I can look for the papers, I can find a way to understand what people mean, even if it's not the thing that I'm an expert in. That's literally what this is about, like solving problems and troubleshooting and finding the information to move along.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>You've done it before, and you can do it again.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Absolutely!</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Yeah, and that's something I think especially like small biotech and startup they like about people is like they're I think looking for not necessarily just the skill sets, but also like a personality. Like you said, they want somebody who would like fit within the team of experts to actually help the company grow. Where in the big pharma, when you look at job offers and posting on LinkedIn, they want somebody who is very expert in one specific field, like somebody with a PhD plus 5-7 years of experience. When you look at what startups are looking for if they post something, because usually it's the network, and when you see a posting out there, usually it's like they're looking for a personality, somebody who is going to be willing to roll their, their sleeves and, like, get the job done and not, let's say, just somebody with a PhD and X years of experience.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>I agree and I have to say, being in the job market for as long as I was before I secured this job, it's very overwhelming and it's extremely discouraging because sometimes you find the job that you're like "This person is describing my PhD career" and you apply and you're just a piece of paper, right? And I don't even know if I would have gotten, I believe my skill set would bring me there, but I really don't know if I would have secured the CircNova job unless I was able to prove myself, like you said, as a whole package, right? Not only as a scientist, because whoever has a PhD you can probably do what I do. But I'm more than that, right? Like I am more than what my paper looks like. I, I can bring you not only expertise, but like the group dynamic, the team dynamic. I have mentored so many people: how am I able to convey, you know, those extra soft skills if you don't talk to me, if you don't give me the opportunity to show you that I'm much more than just my PhD. And sometimes that gets really discouraging and you lose yourself a little bit in this sea of job opportunities that you feel like you're never good enough to land. And that happened to me obviously, and I'm sure it will happen to most of the postdocs that will listen to this podcast. Like, don't give up: the job out there that is meant to be yours will find you some way, somehow. And I feel like the key is to never give up, and whenever you think that there's a small chance or there's little opportunity in this conference, or talking to this, to this person or going to even like a talk at U of M, right? Just go and talk to the speaker. Maybe they'll have more information that you didn't think about or they have a network that they're willing to share with you. And I know it's so cliche because people are like "Oh yeah, networking, networking" but it's so true and you cannot make it more obvious, you know, like people say, like, "Go on LinkedIn", but it's so real, like I have seen the job postings from even CircNova, and, you know, it's like you said, the specific PhD and extra amount of years in industry , and like I was able to sit down with the scientists and with the CEO and I was like "This is what I have to offer, I can be that person to you" and you just have to connect with the people that you work with or that you're potentially going to work with. And that brings you very far and a long way that I think sometimes unfortunately is what, you know, LinkedIn has brought us is just this, you're a paper, you're no longer a face. And it's really hard to convey yourself and what you can do without that personal, you know interaction.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>It's, it's funny that you say that because going back to earlier, right, the coincidence, happenstance, all these things I read a book about this, and I also, from personal experiences, always tell people when it comes to networking because it is such a word that literally people recoil when you talk about networking, like physical reaction to be like "I don't want to do that".</p> <p><strong>Ria Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah. (laughs)</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>They don't even realize that networking happens everywhere. I say yeah at a conference, right, we always think like I need to network, I need to go to a conference and I need to talk to all these people. Sure. Going to a BBQ organized by your neighborhood.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Is a networking opportunity because you don't know who you're going to meet. You don't know that your neighbor, three doors down, works for so and so, and it turns out they're looking to hire someone with a PhD.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>You're so right.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>And you are that person. And this is why I think it's important for people to understand that networking is not just going to talk to experts in the field, because this is, I think, what's really scares people, right? It's the idea of, like, you're in a you're a PhD student and you need to network to find a postdoc, so you need to go talk to PIs, and it is so scary. It's like, yeah, but you can go pick-up your child at daycare or school and engage in conversation with the other parents. You don't know what they do. And maybe just through this relationship, you know, you're going to meet more people and they're going to introduce you to someone who works there and does this.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Absolutely.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>So I think it's really great that you're saying like "Yeah, I showcased that I am more than just my PhD and I'm a person. This is the personality that you're hiring."</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Sometimes it can happen when you even don't notice it.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>That's been a great conversation, and I think we need to wrap it up. So we're going to move on to our rapid fire questions.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Oh jeez. OK, I'm ready.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Take a deep breath. Literally first answer that comes to mind.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Let's do it.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Let's go. So do you prefer watching football on Sunday or reading a book?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Girl, I don't like football. (laughs) Book for sure. (laughs)</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>What helps you stay motivated during challenging projects?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>I focus on the bigger goal. I have an anchor, and I just focus on it.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Okay. What is a fun fact about you?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>I would say a fun fact is I did my high school in Hong Kong. That's where I learned English.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Oh my God!</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>What would you tell your kids to encourage them to pursue a career in science?</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>(laughs) I'm always about, you know, follow your dreams because my parents didn't even finish high school, right? So I would say if that's what she wants, well, I say she because I have a baby girl. If that's what she wants to do, I'm 100% you know on it and I will bring her to every science-related fun activity that she wants to pursue that career. But for me, the most important message is always follow your dreams.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>And finally, which country do you dream of traveling to?</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>You better say France!</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>I've already been there. (laughs) Dream? Okay, I would say there is no one country. I would love to do a tour through Europe because I am from Portugal and it's ridiculous that I have not traveled enough around Europe when I was there and even honestly, shame on me, I should definitely travel around Portugal before I adventure myself through other countries. Because there's, like, I haven't even been to the islands. I, yeah, Portugal. I will say my final answer is Portugal.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>(laughs) Great. Thank you.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Thank you so much, Rita, for sharing your journey with us, sharing your tips and insights for our audience. If you want to know more, please make sure to connect with Rita on LinkedIn and just add a small message that you've listened to the podcast and you want to learn more about her journey or her job. Thank you again, Rita, and we wish you the best.</p> <p><strong>Rita Avelar</strong></p> <p>Thank you, guys, so much. I really appreciate this initiative and I hope that you guys can help all postdocs out there because you're not alone. So yeah, feel free to reach out. I'm more than happy to share more of my story or even my network if that helps you and best of luck.</p> </div>

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March 9, 2026

Building a Career in Tech Transfer: Insights from Dr. Megan Griffin

<p>Megan Griffin holds a BS in Biotechnology and Molecular Biology from Michigan State University and obtained her PhD in Developmental and Molecular Biology from the University of Cincinnati. She completed her postdoctoral training at the University of Michigan in 2020 and later was an U-M Innovation Partnerships fellow from 2020 to 2022. Megan is now the Assistant Director of Licensing at U-M Innovation Partnerships. In her role, she guides U-M innovators through the process of protecting their intellectual property and commercializing it through licensing to an interested company or creating a new startup venture.</p> <p><a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-griffin-37b08726/">Connect with Megan on LinkedIn</a></p> <h2 class="wp-block-heading">Resources</h2> <ul class="wp-block-list"> <li><a href="https://innovationpartnerships.umich.edu/">U-M Innovation Partnerships</a></li> <li><a href= "https://medschool.umich.edu/student-organizations/milead-consulting-group"> miLEAD Consulting Group</a></li> <li><a href="https://nucleate.org/">Nucleate</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.nsf.gov/funding/initiatives/i-corps">NSF I-Corps program</a></li> </ul> <h2 class="wp-block-heading">Transcript</h2> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Hello everyone and welcome to 'What's Up, Doc?', an initiative developed by the University of Michigan Office of Postdoctoral Affairs. 'What's Up, Doc?' is a professional development interview series created to support the career exploration efforts and professional development needs of current U-M postdocs. You will hear from former U-M postdocs discuss their own postdoc experience and share advice on their experience transitioning into their career of choice. We hope you will get the answers you want and need to make an informed decision about your own career.</p> <p>I am Anne-Sophie Bohrer</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>And I am Maurinne Bonnet.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Today, our guest is Doctor Megan Griffin, who completed her postdoc at the University of Michigan in 2020. Megan is now working at the University of Michigan Innovation Partnerships as an Assistant Director of licensing.</p> <p>Welcome, Megan, and thank you for joining us.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Thank you for having me.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Hey, Megan, it's a pleasure to have you today. So as Anne-Sophie said, you are currently working at Innovation Partnerships, so for some, some of us who are not familiar with that, could you briefly tell us more about this office, what are its main missions, what what are you doing there?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Sure. Yeah. So Innovation Partnerships was recently rebranded, used to be the Office of Technology Transfer here at the University of Michigan. And we rebranded really to capture a wider array of things that we do. So we're sort of divided into 3 branches. I work with the licensing team, we have a ventures team and we have our corporate and foundation research alliances team. So collectively, all of these groups work closely together, and our overall mission is really to help faculty or students or staff, whoever at the university that has innovative research, get that research out to the public. So really our our core mission statement is that we want every piece of research at the University of Michigan have the opportunity to impact the world. So we do this by helping to protect intellectual property that can be in the form of patents or copyrights or, you know, sometimes we can license things without protection, and then we also will try to get it to the world, either through licensing that to companies, help people create their own startup companies, uhm connect people with funding resources, that's another thing we do. So we have a couple of internal translation funds that we manage that are meant to fund the gaps in research to get it to a point where it's ready to be commercialized. And we also have investment funds for creating startup ventures. Uhm, so it's kind of, you know, overall the overarching goal of our office. And if you want to know more about the specific branches, I can get into more detail.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Cool. Well, that's really interesting. Uhm, so clearly you're still somehow and somewhat involved with the science, uhm, but you're not at the bench anymore, you're not in the lab anymore. And so can you tell us a little bit about your background and really what led you to choose to pursue this career?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah, absolutely. So my background is in life sciences, I got a PhD at the University of Cincinnati in molecular and developmental biology. As I was wrapping up my graduate career, I was starting to think about what I wanted to do overall and I hadn't really quite settled on a career path. That was the first time I heard of tech transfer and I thought" Huh, that sounds kind of interesting, let me find out more." So I met with the tech transfer office at the Children's Hospital where I was doing my research, and sort of found out more about the career, but at that point I was about to graduate, it was a little late to get involved with them, uhm, and they told me that, you know, some schools have these internship opportunities available that you might be able to do if you choose to do a postdoc or something like that or maybe you can directly apply. So I decided to do a postdoc to keep my options open, so to speak. I hadn't totally ruled out the traditional route of, uhm, you know, trying to get a professor position, uhm, but I was sort of leaning against it, so I decided to take a postdoc opportunity here with University of Michigan. And I knew going in that the university had this internship opportunity for graduate students and postdocs with what was then the Office of tech transfer. Uhm, so I started my postdoc and sort of that knowledge in the back of my mind and kept my eyes and ears open for any postings or any knowledge about this internship opportunity. So about a year into my postdoc, I got an e-mail, uhm, I forget who it came from, probably the, you know, postdoc affairs, about different opportunities and saw that they were hiring interns, so I applied and was fortunate enough to get that position. Uhm, so I did that for the rest of the duration of my postdoc, uhm, concurrent with that position. So this was like a 10 hour a week remote position, uhm, and got me some exposure to this career path. I really enjoyed doing it, decided that I wouldn't be sad if I never looked at a pipette again, uhm, as much as I love bench research, I was kind of ready to step away. But I didn't want to lose, like you mentioned, this is related to science, I, I didn't want to lose that, you know, learning about cutting edge research and I really liked everything that academia had to offer, uhm, so this seemed like a good fit for me, where I get to learn about all the exciting research, use my training to sort of decipher what that knowledge means, uhm, but then sort of meet the business arm, uhm, and try to translate that research into a commercial product or, you know, in, in my sweet spot of my background in life sciences, uhm, I spent a lot in the area of therapeutics, so drug development, how can we treat patients better with a variety of diseases.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>So we'll come back later with Anne-Sophie about like your day-to-day life, and I think what, what I'm really curious about is so when you decided to join the U of M, is it because you knew there would be this fellowship or you actually decide to join the university to join a specific lab?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah, so it was a combination of things. Uhm, knowing that the fellowship existed definitely helped my decision, uhm, but I, I was mostly focused on finding a postdoc that fit my career interests, as well as, you know, fit my personal life. So I didn't, I applied for multiple postdocs, uhm, and some of my other interviews, I asked about tech transfer and if there were any opportunities there to, you know, volunteer, shadow, get involved with the office, just to explore the career. And, you know, there's a variety of levels of things that other universities, but I, I grew, I was born and raised, well I wasn't born here, but I was raised in Michigan and I have family nearby, so that helped in my decision to come back to Michigan for a postdoc. And the lab that I joined, uhm, was Jordan Schaefer's lab with Michigan Medicine and studied thrombosis. My graduate work was in blood vessel development, so it was sort of an adjacent area. Uhm, I did my graduate work with zebrafish as a model organism and joined the zebrafish lab here, uhm, so it was a good fit in a lot of ways: fit my area of interest for research, fit my geographically preferred location and I knew that this fellowship existed.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>That makes a lot of sense, yeah. Sounds like it was a good decision.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah!</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>So, uhm, you, you said that you got this part-time fellowship that takes you up to, like, 10 hours per week. So, uhm, how did you kind of manage the logistics between your bench work, you know, fulfilling your duty as a postdoc, and also working at the Innovation Partnership office? And did your PI support you in that?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah. So, uhm, my PI was very supportive in order to have additional work because it is a paid internship, you have to have approval, I think as a graduate student and perhaps with a postdoc. So they just ask that your PI sign this letter of support, that they know you're doing this, and they're, they're okay with it. Uhm, and fortunately, my PI was very supportive, I, you know, came to him and said "There's this opportunity, I'm interested in this as a career. This will only take up to 10 hours a week. I understand that I need to get my research done in the lab as well. And you know, I won't, I'll make sure it doesn't interfere." and he was very on board with "Oh yeah, you should follow your career interests. The career development is very important. If you're interested in this happy to support you, uhm, trying it." So that was sort of step one. And then in terms of balancing the workload, the part time fellows help with sort of invention intake analysis, so when an invention comes to our office, we get this sort of one-pager form that summarizes what the invention is, and we have a handful of fellows with a variety of backgrounds. So, uhm, somebody in my role, a licensing manager, will request a fellows report and once that report is requested, it gets assigned to a fellow based on their area. That fellow then has one week to complete this templated report and the report has sections that talk about the background of the invention and, you know, just sort of summarizing the background knowledge in the field, uhm, market analysis – who would use it, what competitive products are, or what companies might want to use it – uhm, any market statistics you can find. And then it has a few other sections: one is to sort of to write an abstract about the technology, uhm, and then one that is most useful for most people in our office is this priority section. We asked the fellows to look into what intellectual property might exist, and that can be in the form of patents or papers or anything they can find online. Uhm, and they sort of compile all this data into this templated report and e-mail it back to the manager of the fellows' program. So all that is a lot of work, but all you need is a computer and an internet connection so it can be done anywhere, anytime. It was always a remote position even before COVID, uhm, so it was easy to sort of squeeze into my evenings, or I could do a little bit on the weekend, or if I had, you know a really long experiment and not much other stuff going on in the lab that day, I can even work on it and, you know, during my quote-unquote "normal business hours" since we all know that postdocs aren't traditional, you know, 9-to-5 jobs (laughs). Uhm, so and these reports were easiest to get done in chunks of time so I didn't need 10 hours all at once to do it, but it was helpful if I had at least one or two hours to get a chunk of work done. So it was not too hard to manage, uhm, and it was the nature of the internship is, uhm, it did not necessarily have an assignment every single week. It just depended on what came into our office, so I might have an assignment three weeks in a row and then I might not have one for a couple of weeks, uhm, so I didn't have to devote an extra 10 hours every single week, it just sort of depended on what the work, workload was like.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>And, and I assume then that anyway they were very mindful in not assigning you several projects at once, right?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Correct!</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Like mindful of your time and also of your abilities, right, you're just learning.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah, yeah. We would only ever get one assignment at a time, and that single report was meant to take 8 to 10 hours of time. Uhm, and the project, you know, we understand that people, life, life happens, right, uhm, so our fellows were always free to request weeks off, like "Hey, I'm going on vacation, please don't assign me this week"</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Uh-huh.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Or "I'm really busy in lab, can you please not assign me something for one or two weeks" and, as long as that wasn't, you know, super frequent.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Every week.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah, it's pretty accommodating to request that.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>How long did this, so we're talking, you initially said internship and now we talk about fellowship. Are you mentioning talking about the same thing and how long was the internship for?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>So yeah. That's a great question. So sort of using them interchangeably, uhm, so I guess this is probably would be more of like the internship uhm, that I did.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Okay.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>And this was part time, so I did this until I, uhm, ended my postdoc. So we asked the part time, so we called them part time fellows, so we asked our part-time fellows to commit at least one year to the program, and that's just because there's some time and investment in training and things like that. We don't expect these fellows to come in knowing how to do patent searches and stuff like that, so there's a little bit of training. Uhm, but you're welcome to stay for as long as it makes sense, uhm, and for me, I enjoyed it, I wanted my career to move towards that direction, so I started about a year into my postdoc, I was postdoc for four years, so I did this for about 3.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Cool.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>And then the, from there I moved to a full-time fellowship, still with our office. So that's where I sort, might be confusing the two (laughs). So I did this part-time fellowship, moved to a full-time fellowship and that was where my postdoc ended.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Okay, cool! That's great. After your fellowship with Innovation Partnerships, then you were hired and you started there as a licensing manager and now you're an assistant director of licensing. So can you explain really what this initial role was about? Uhm, what was the average day in the job like? But also, how different it was from the fellowship you were just coming off?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah. So maybe I'll take one step back. So I explained there is this part-time fellowship and then full-time fellowship. So I'll just briefly mention in the full-time fellowship, uhm, that was kind of similar to the part-time role, uhm, and that I still did a lot of these fellows reports, but I was full-time with our office. Uhm, when I started it was 2 weeks before COVID, so we went remote of course, and then we came back hybrid and in that full-time fellowship, uhm, the responsibilities are a bit more expanded. So our full time Fellows will get to sit in on meetings with patent lawyers, with faculty, with our internal meetings and sort of just learn about more aspects of the job, and they might be asked to do more specialized projects based on who needs help with what. Uhm, so I did the full-time fellowship for two years, uhm, it was from 2020 to 2022, I was part of our inaugural group of full-time Fellows, so a new program when I joined. We're still doing it, uhm, we have about three fellows at a time in life sciences, medical sciences, depends on needs. I did end up with a full-time position with our office, that was not a guarantee. It just sort of depended on what positions were available. So I'm, uhm, assistant director of licensing is my official title, and I work with the therapeutics team. So what that means is that my role is to help people at the university, uhm, get their inventions properly protected, the intellectual property, and also try to find licensees for their technologies or help them create their companies. So there's two main buckets of things I do, one it deals with intellectual property protection, one deals with licensing. So functionally, what this job entails is, uhm, every day is a little bit different. So, uhm, my day is managing my portfolio of technologies, so I get faculty assigned to me that are in my field and we sort of work with repeat customers so to speak. So I will work with the same faculty whenever they submit something into our office, just because that, you know, you're sort of familiar with their background as a whole. So some technologies will get an invention submitted to our office, and it's a really cool idea, but it's a little bit early, so some things are very active. Other things are, uhm, you know, this is ready, let's talk to a patent attorney, let's get a patent filed on this as soon as possible, so I'll coordinate those meetings and give approval to the patent attorney who actually writes drafts, but work with the faculty to approve that draft and get things filed. Other things are even more mature, where we've already gone through this whole process and there, it's ready, and it's ready to exit the university. So then I will try to help find a licensee, whether that is, uhm "Hey, we have a connection at this company, let me reach out to my contact" or more frequently, the faculty will come with the connection of their own. So I'll help set up meetings, get non-disclosure agreements in place so they can talk more freely about the science and then if things are going really well, help negotiate licensing deals so, uhm, you know sort of where the business side comes into play. I'll, I'll work with whoever the licensee is on financial terms and legal terms and things like that until we come to a, an agreement and they can license the technology out to a company, uhm, or if your faculty is like "I really want to start a company on this, I think that would be super cool" then I'll connect them to our ventures team, uhm, and help them get, gear them towards the correct resources to get them launched. So it's still kind of a broad overview, it's it's my day, is very variable. It just depends on what's going on. So it's, uhm, it's hard to describe the typical day. But it it keeps things interesting. I like it.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Yeah, it sounds very interesting. And it sounds like you were working with really a broad and very various array of people who have, like, very different backgrounds, very different interests in getting the project to the finish line. So yeah, that's really cool.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah, absolutely, yeah.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>OK, so that that might be actually challenging to like jump in meetings with like scientists, lawyers and you know manage the fellows. So I guess that the next question we have for you would be what would you say are two or the three greatest challenges you have faced in this position and, uhm, if you can also tell us about your biggest reward in your position, whatever this is, that you, you know, keep waking up every day to go to work.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Sure. Yeah. So you sort of alluded to one of them already, but I think one of the greatest challenges is just, uhm, self-organization so you know like we sort of talked about, there's a lot of different parts of this job, a lot of different technologies, uhm, and just making sure that I stay on top of what needs to get done when, prioritize correctly and not let things slip through the cracks because that, that can happen easily. Uhm, and then another challenge., fortunately, most everyone that I talked to has a good demeanor and we can communicate effectively and talk about what to do with things, but occasionally you have to give bad news, you know, like this your project is really cool and we know you know people work so hard on things. It's, it's their baby, so to speak, and I have to say "This patent is almost the same thing, this is not going to go anywhere, we can't do anything with this" and sort of let people down, uhm, so that can be a challenge, especially if somebody disagrees. Just sort of making sure that we can communicate effectively why this happening, what things could be done, you know, because we don't like to leave things with just "Hey, you're out of luck." It's more like a "This, this patent says this, we can't patent this but, if you're interested in going this direction with your research, maybe you could look into this aspect and that would be something you would be interested in", so sort of leaving things on a positive note. But so I guess communication can be a challenge occasionally. And then the biggest reward I would say is when, when they can get deals. Uhm, so licenses can, can take a long time, uhm, especially in the therapeutic space, so these licenses are often like biggest risk-biggest reward type things because when we're licensing things to companies, they're pretty early stage right? Uhm, in academia, your, our research is pretty basic science, even if it is something that is commercial, commercialization directed, uhm so it can be hard to find a licensee that wants to deal with this early stage thing, uhm which is why we do a lot more startups. Uhm, so once everyone is on board on what needs to get done and we can find the right resources to make something grow outside of the university and get that deal completed, that's very rewarding, uhm, because in, in my field that only happens, you know, a handful of times a year. Uhm, so that I would say that's probably the most rewarding thing.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>That's cool.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Yeah.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>So as we learn more about your job, your career what would you say would make a candidate a top applicant for a position in an office like yours, especially if they didn't go through the whole internship and fellowship route, right? They're brand new in that field, but they are very interested, they just didn't have those opportunities. So what would you tell them to basically, first of all, be confident in applying, but also what do you need to really emphasize in your application?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>So I think, uhm, the, the biggest things are, uhm, communication is really important and if you have a PhD, the skill that you can sort of tout the most is just analytic thinking, so anyone in any field is going to learn these skills on how to take the scientific paper or, you know, other technical piece of literature, read it, but not spend a whole day on one paper because we don't have time to do that. So read it, distill down the information fairly quickly to understand what are the key points, what makes this new and novel over something else, what do we need to focus on in terms of, you know, if we're going to look at patents for this, what would be the key aspects that would make this novel over something else and who's going to use it, how is it going to be effective. So I would say emphasize that and your ability to, to read technical information and make sense of it. Other skills are yeah, communicating effectively, self-organization is a big one, and then what can you do to make your application stand out if you haven't had this internship and stuff like that, I, I would say as now as a postdoc is to sort of seek out, even if it's not a formal internship, things that might get you some skills to advance things to commercialization so that I know there's a lot of things at U of M. There's miLEAD which offers consulting, a lot of consulting skills translate to what we do in our office, that would be a great thing. I know there's Nucleate, that's a good one. There's a program called I-Corps, which you have to have a faculty mentor to do, but it's sort of taking a project through the commercialization step and sort of understanding how would you commercialize something. So anything that has to do with entrepreneurship, uhm, intellectual property protection or commercialization advancement, even if it's a, a one-hour seminar, I think if you could emphasize that you at least have some understanding and how these things work that would be really helpful and look good on a resume.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Cool. Thank you.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>So we are very fortunate also to have all of those resources at the University of Michigan, so postdoc should definitely look into those and pick some like you said.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Oh well thank you for all this information! I find it very interesting, like I never really was interested in this career, but it's really cool. It seems to be very diverse and so you never get bored.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>No, no, no, never get bored. That's very true.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Yeah. So we're not now getting to the final minutes of the conversation. And so we're going to go through our rapid-fire questions. So the only rule is really to give the first answer that comes to mind. Are you ready?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Alright. Yeah, sure.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Cool. So what is a fun fact about yourself?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Fun fact about me, I have two children, ages two and four, and they are my biggest joy!</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Oh, that's cool. Are you a coffee or a tea person?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Definitely coffee cannot function in the morning until I have a cup of coffee. (laughs)</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>What keeps you motivated when managing challenging projects?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>It's a great question. I would say just sort of looking at the end goal and keeping the end goal in mind and having that, that focus to get through all the hard stuff.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>What is your favorite music?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>I like a big variety of music. I would say my favorite is sort of like the pop country genre.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Okay. And is there any career advice that you received in your whole career so far that you decided to ignore?</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>(laughs) That's not where I saw that going!, Umh, what Idecided to ignore? I would say, I don't know if this was true advice, but if someone's like "Ohh you might, you don't have enough experience for that, get some experience before you apply." Just apply! I mean the worst that can happen is you'll be told no, but you're never going to get something you don't apply for.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Yeah. That's so true. Yeah.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Very true. I love that.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>Yeah. And I guess you did well to apply because you're here now!</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Right? It worked out.</p> <p><strong>Maurinne Bonnet</strong></p> <p>So thank you again Megan for sharing your journey with us and getting, like walking us through the, the licensing and the Innovation Partnership Office with us. So for the audience, please do not hesitate to reach out to Megan if you have any follow up questions and follow our LinkedIn page for more episodes. And with that, I would say goodbye to everybody.</p> <p><strong>Anne-Sophie Bohrer</strong></p> <p>Bye.</p> <p><strong>Megan Griffin</strong></p> <p>Bye.</p>

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