We say, “Thank you for your service.” We say we are “a grateful nation.” But what should we do when “thank you” isn’t enough?
Justice for Vets is the leading organization working to assist justice-involved veterans. Emphasizing resiliency and hope, we provide tangible solutions to address critical issues facing our veterans, such as justice involvement, substance use, and trauma. Hosted by Major General (ret.) Clyde “Butch” Tate, each episode of this podcast takes you on a journey with veterans, subject matter experts, and people doing heroic work on behalf of those who have served.
The Justice for Vets podcast is made possible with funding from the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA).
Veterans Service Organizations and Finding Your Purpose
In this season’s final episode (https://allrise.org/resources/podcasts-jfv/), Butch sits down with T’Liza Keil, director of alumni engagement with The Mission Continues, for an inspiring conversation about volunteerism, veterans service organizations, and finding a sense of community and purpose.
Following her service in the Army National Guard, T’Liza saw firsthand the debilitating effects of untreated mental health conditions. Recognizing her military skills could be put to use in the community, T’Liza dedicated herself to service. At The Mission Continues (https://www.missioncontinues.org/), she develops strategies to ensure that the more than 2,300 current and future program alumni are informed, connected, and supported as they continue to develop their skills and experiences as community leaders.
T’Liza and Butch discuss the difficulty many veterans face when transitioning and explore how veteran service organizations can help veterans build a sense of belonging and trust. T’Liza offers a powerful message to veterans and non-veterans alike that will deepen your understanding of the veteran experience and the many pathways to finding peace and purpose.
2 Oct 2024
Responding to female justice-involved veterans
As a veteran and licensed clinical social worker, RanDee McLain Malone, Ph.D. has been a driving force behind helping justice, treatment, and social service professionals better respond to female veterans. In this episode, RanDee shares her insight into the unique challenges female veterans face and talks with Butch about overcoming barriers to identifying female veterans, ways to avoid retraumatizing them, understanding where to find additional gender-specific support, and the many ways in which our justice and treatment responses can better offer a "whole-person approach."
13 Sept 2024
From the Front Line to the Thin Blue Line: How Law Enforcement Supports Veterans
“As a law enforcement liaison in a treatment court, you are going to be that first point of contact. So you need to be able to show them that not only can you trust me as a fellow veteran, but I am going to have a pathway that doesn’t lead to a jail cell, I am going to have a pathway that leads to resources, and success, and empowerment.”
After 9/11, Jesse Holton put his law enforcement career on hold and joined the United States Marine Corps. Following his decorated service, he returned to law enforcement with a new perspective on the challenges some veterans face when they come home. In episode 6, Jesse sits down with Butch to discuss how law enforcement can support veterans in crisis and the often-untapped benefits of ensuring law enforcement is an active part of any community-based intervention. He offers keen insight into building trust with veterans and how this work is changing the culture of law enforcement. As Butch says, “This dude just gets it.”
28 Aug 2024
Sharing Lived Experience: A Veteran’s Story
"There really is a light at the end of the tunnel, and there are people there for you. I don’t care what you are going through. I am not going to judge you. I’ve been there."
Paige Ott served in the United States Navy. Her experience was transformative and positive, but her transition out of the military was anything but smooth. Her life was changed in a Nebraska courtroom, where instead of punishment, she was connected to treatment and recovery support. As a certified peer recovery support specialist, Paige now uses her lived experience to help other veterans going through similar difficulties. As the founder of a nonprofit supporting veterans, she fosters community and empowers veterans to achieve and sustain recovery. You won’t want to miss her sit-down with Butch in episode 5 of "When Thank You Is Not Enough."
1 Aug 2024
Peer Recovery Support: What It Is and Why It Works
“It flips the justice system on its head from this notion that it has to be incapacitation or retribution or deterrence. And instead, we think, how can we make sure that this individual, after they've touched the justice system, that they leave healthy?”
In episode 4, Butch continues the conversation about peer support with Dr. Jacqueline van Wormer, director of the All Rise Center for Advancing Justice. Dr. van Wormer offers insight into the vital role peer recovery support plays in assisting justice-involved individuals with accepting, sustaining, and thriving in treatment and recovery. An expert in program implementation and sustainability, Dr. Van Wormer walks through the steps of implementing peer support and the elements critical to its success with the justice-involved population.
For more on peer recovery support, click here (https://allrise.org/publications/incorporating-peer-recovery-support-into-treatment-courts/).
10 Jul 2024
The Power of Peer Support
Episode 3 kicks off a two-part series on peer support, starting with how the VA is expanding peer support to ensure justice-involved veterans have access to veterans with lived experience who provide individualized assistance connecting to VA services. Butch talks with the VA’s National Peer Services Coordinator Antonio Harris, LCSW, about the difference between VA peers and veteran mentors and the way in which both roles compliment each other and offer a more robust network of support and guidance to justice-involved veterans. Stay tuned for episode 4 which will dive into community peer support.
10 Jul 2024
The Power of VA Peer Support
Episode 3 kicks off a two-part series on peer support, starting with how the VA is expanding peer support to ensure justice-involved veterans have access to veterans with lived experience who provide individualized assistance connecting to VA services. Butch talks with the VA’s National Peer Services Coordinator Antonio Harris, LCSW, about the difference between VA peers and veteran mentors and the way in which both roles compliment each other and offer a more robust network of support and guidance to justice-involved veterans. Stay tuned for episode 4 which will dive into community peer support.
13 Jun 2024
All you need to know about legal services for veterans
Veterans who are homeless or at risk for homelessness often face legal issues that make it difficult for them to obtain or maintain stable housing. Thanks to the VA's Legal Services for Veterans program, these needs are now being met in unique and effective ways. Butch sits down with program's national coordinator Madolyn Gingell to talk about how veterans can access legal support and the new grant program that is empowering local legal providers to assist.
If you are a veteran in crisis please call the Veterans Crisis Line: Dial 988 and press 1
Click here (https://www.va.gov/HOMELESS/LSv.asp) for (https://www.va.gov/HOMELESS/LSv.asp)more on the Legal Services for Veterans program.
15 May 2024
Veterans Justice Outreach
In the first episode of season 2, Butch sits down with Katie Stewart, L.C.S.W., national coordinator of the Veterans Justice Outreach (VJO) Program for a deep dive into the the many ways VJOs ensure that justice-involved veterans have access to the care, services, and other benefits they’ve earned. VJOs help maximize veterans’ potential for success and stability in the community, including by helping them avoid homelessness and ending their involvement in the justice system. The discussion includes an explanation of the Veterans Re-Entry Search Service, a vital resource for identifying justice-involved veterans and linking them with care.
If you are a veteran in crisis please call the Veterans Crisis Line: Dial 988 and press 1
Click here for (https://www.va.gov/homeless/vjo.asp)more on the Veterans Justice Outreach Program.
19 Jun 2023
Serving Those Who Served Us
"So our primary goal is to maintain peace in the community and to repair breaches of that peace. So when there's an offense against an individual or an offense that threatens the community in any way, we go into problem solving mode and we try to do that in a just and fair way."
Season 1 concludes with a discussion with Montgomery County, Texas First Assistant District Attorney Mike Holley. Mike talks about his philosophy as a prosecutor and why he believes veterans treatment court and other interventions for veterans are the honorable approach to serving those who served us.
27 May 2023
What's Next? Expanding the justice system's support for veterans
“VTCs [veterans treatment courts] are critical to veterans because many of them I have found are ashamed that they are defendants in criminal courts. They have committed crimes against the very society they have sworn to protect, and it’s a long, hard fall from grace. These veterans really need our help.”
After seeing the success of Kansas’ only veterans treatment court, Kansas Chief Justice Lawton Nuss made the decision to retire early from the bench and devote his time to traveling the state and building support for more programs. In the penultimate episode of season 1, he and Butch discuss what led to this decision, his work to help jurisdictions in Kansas increase access to treatment for veterans, and why he believes these programs will continue to expand.
15 May 2023
Leave No Veterans Behind Part 2
“These [veterans treatment court] mentors, it's not the traditional mentor model...They're just there to listen. I think we underplay the power of listening."
Todd Kramer is living proof that the justice system can play a role in facilitating treatment and recovery. His story also exemplifies the therapeutic camaraderie that exists among those who serve. Todd served in both the Air Force and the Army and deployed as a 40 year old E5. When he came home he struggled to reengage and his addiction deepened. He found recovery and his purpose in veterans treatment court. Hear his remarkable story and learn how volunteer mentors like Todd are the lifeblood of veterans treatment courts today.
2 May 2023
Leave No Veteran Behind
“I would like to see a veterans treatment court in reach of every veteran that's in need. Let us in the justice system be cognizant of the needs of the veteran. And if there's something we can do to assist them in their journey, let us do that.”
S1E5 profiles a true hero of the veterans treatment court movement, retired Buffalo Judge Robert Russell. In 2008, Judge Russell forever transformed the way the justice system identifies, assess, and treats veterans with a simple act of ingenuity and compassion. Hear the story of how the first veterans treatment court came to be, how it spawned a system of programs serving over 15,000 veterans each year, and why it represents the most effective intervention for justice-involved veterans with substance use and mental health disorders.
17 Apr 2023
If You Haven’t Been to the VA in the Last 10 Years, You Haven’t Been to the VA
“I tell all my buddies, if you tried VA 10 years ago like I did, try us again.” Is the VA a waste of time? Can it really provide the services and care you need? John Boerstler, Chief Veterans Experience Officer at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, joins the podcast to share just how much the VA has expanded, evolved, and modernized post-9/11 to better listen to veterans and respond to meet their unique needs.
3 Apr 2023
Could a Vet Center Be Right for Me?
“Vet Center’s current motto includes the three Cs: connection, camaraderie, and community.” What are Vet Centers? How do they differ from VA hospitals and other VA services? E3 takes a deep dive into Vet Centers, looking at their origin, role, and unique approach to providing mental and behavioral health services to our nation’s veterans. This episode features Laura Felten, director of the Milwaukee Vet Center and former Veterans Justice Outreach Specialist.
17 Mar 2023
Demystifying Therapy
“How do you pull a weed? You get it by its root, so it doesn’t grow back.” E1P2 takes the conversation on trauma and post-traumatic growth to the next level and discusses mental health treatment, therapy, and trauma-informed resources to help veterans recover with James Puckett, a licensed professional counselor and professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin.
28 Feb 2023
Detachment, Reconnection, and Post-Traumatic Growth Part 1
“It took one thing to be successful in combat; it takes something very different to be successful in my current life.” E1P1 explores the effects of trauma and post-traumatic growth on our military veterans with guest Jaymes Poling, the creator of Modern Warrior LIVE, an immersive music and narrative experience that chronicles his journey through three U.S. Army deployments in Afghanistan and subsequent transition back home.
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