Where The Wild Thoughts Are

About Where The Wild Thoughts Are

We’re talking about science. But not just any science... Each episode, journalist Jo Marchant meets researchers who are doing things differently: challenging our assumptions, stretching our minds, and changing how we see the world. We’ll be pushing boundaries from cosmology and quantum physics to neuroscience, archaeology, ecology… Jo’s guests are asking deep questions, chasing outrageous dreams, and exploring the world in completely new ways. As well as learning about their pioneering ideas, we’ll hear their personal stories: what inspires their leaps of imagination; how they keep going despite the obstacles; the importance of thinking differently; and why we need creativity to survive. But most of all, Where The Wild Thoughts Are is about the wonder of peeking past supposed limits. Come into the wild with us, for a glimpse of what’s beyond… Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

Publisher

Jo Marchant

Category

science · science · science

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

1 Aug 2025

Latest episode

16 Feb 2026

Latest episodes

19 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   16 Feb 2026

   What is 'Now'?

   Exciting news: I have a new book coming out! It’s called In Search of Now: the science and mystery of the present moment, and I’d love to share some of the ideas in it with you, so here is a one-off special episode to ask: What is Now? The present moment has always fascinated me because on the one hand it’s all around us: everything we do, everything we are. We feel that Now is where we meet the world, where stuff happens, where we feel, think, choose, act. But physicists can’t find it anywhere, and some insist it doesn’t exist at all. So if there’s no physical Now out in the universe, where does our sense of each unfolding moment come from? And is it really an illusion, or could it be a clue that reality is very different from what we thought? Rather than me interviewing a guest this week, I’ve asked my good friend, Ian Sample, to come on as guest host and grill me for a change! You might know him as the host of the Guardian’s Science Weekly podcast, although he’s here in a personal capacity. In Search of Now is out in the UK on 12 February, published by Canongate, and in the US in March, published by Liveright. In Search of Now (UK edition) https://canongate.co.uk/books/4351-in-search-of-now-the-science-and-mystery-of-the-present-moment/ In Search of Now (US edition) https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324097488 Do follow the show so you don't miss season 2, when we’ll be talking to scientists – and perhaps some philosophers as well – who’ll be helping us to stretch our minds, rethink our assumptions and imagine very different worlds. *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Hosted by Jo Marchant: https://jomarchant.com Produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

2. 

   8 Dec 2025

   End of season special

   Since September we've met 16 scientists, in fields from neuroscience and quantum physics to archaeology and ecology, who are asking wild questions, exploring the world in different ways, wondering what if the world isn't how we thought. They've all been surprising, brilliant and creative in different ways: for me, each chat has been like a glimpse into a fascinating, hidden world. To finish the season, this week's episode is a bit different. I've asked my lovely producer, Julian Mayers (who also happens to be a cosmologist), to join me for a look back over some of our favourite moments from the interviews, from falling whales and Neolithic virtual reality to improvising ponds and moments of utter bliss... As we take a pause over Christmas, thanks to all our guests so far and to you for listening. This first season has been successful far beyond our expectations - we've been recommended by publications including New Scientist and Smithsonian, we were featured by Apple as a top new science show, and we've had listeners in more than 80 different countries, from Madagascar to Mongolia to Montenegro. We'll be back in the new year with season 2, so if you've enjoyed the show do subscribe now so you don't miss that when it comes. Bye for now! And see you next time on Where the Wild Thoughts Are. *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Hosted by Jo Marchant: https://jomarchant.com Produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

3. 

   1 Dec 2025

   Can we hear the secret life of ponds?

   What happens if we let go of our expectations about nature – all the things we think it is, or isn’t, or should be – and just… listen? Our guide into the unknown this week is award-winning sound artist and ecologist David de la Haye. I first met him at this year’s New Scientist Live in London: I was giving a talk about the science of awe and David came up to me afterwards to tell me about the awe he finds though his work with sound. Essentially he puts hydrophones into the water and records the submerged soundscapes of ponds. He calls it sonic pond dipping. Rather than dissecting out individual noises or creatures – although that can provide valuable information – David’s work is primarily about listening to an ecosystem in an immersive and very personal way – almost like a meditation. He doesn’t stop at listening, though, he also answers back, creating music – often improvising in real time – with the ponds! I asked him how he ended up listening underwater, and what he thinks we can learn from these tiny wild spaces that we so often overlook. David’s home page www.daviddelahaye.com (http://www.daviddelahaye.com) Sonic pond dipping https://sonic-pond.net/ (https://sonic-pond.net/) With Ears Underwater https://daviddelahaye.bandcamp.com/album/with-ears-underwater (https://daviddelahaye.bandcamp.com/album/with-ears-underwater) Bionic and the Wires (a separate project where mushrooms and plants are wired up to play instruments) https://bionicandthewires.com/ (https://bionicandthewires.com/) Clip 1: Pond at Wheatfen nature reserve, Norfolk, UK Clip 2: Rockpool at Saint Abbs, Scotland Clip 3: Underwater seals at Mingulay, Scotland Clip 4: Pond at Wheatfen nature reserve, Norfolk, UK Clip 5: Photosynthesising plants Clip 6: With Ears Underwater: Plant based patterns Clip 7: Pond session: Bliss Clip 8: Awe response: First ever dawn chorus *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Hosted by Jo Marchant: https://jomarchant.com Produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

4. 

   24 Nov 2025

   How does the moon shape biology?

   People have long told stories about the moon’s power, from werewolves shapeshifting by the moon, to the belief that drinking water soaked with moonlight could help women conceive. And monthly rhythms appear across nature, from corals and cacti to gorillas. But while there's lots of research showing that the daily cycles of the sun are crucial for biology, scientists have largely ignored the role of the moon – or dismissed it as pseudoscience, particularly in humans. That’s partly because there hasn’t been a convincing mechanism for how the moon might influence life on Earth - which is what my guest this week, Kristin Tessmar-Raible of the University of Vienna, is working to uncover. She studies lunar timing in marine bristleworms: four-eyed, many-legged creatures that swarm according to the phase of the moon and have light receptors buried in their brains. Forget biological clocks, this is a biological calendar. And the fascinating thing is, she’s uncovering surprising parallels with human biology, which means what’s happening in the worms could help to reveal our own deep connection with the moon, from fertility to sleep to mental health. Jo and Kristin discuss just how far-reaching the moon’s influence may be, the colleagues who once thought she was crazy, and what it takes to change minds in science. Kristin's home page https://neurodevbio.univie.ac.at/tessmar-raible-research/ 2024 review by Kristin & Andrés Ritter on lunar timing in biology https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/s44319-024-00196-5 Excerpt from Jo's book The Human Cosmos about the moon's influence on biology https://www.wired.com/story/oysters-that-knew-what-time-it-was/ 2021 study on lunar rhythms in women's menstrual cycles https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.abe1358 2025 study on effect of LEDs and smartphones on timing of women's menstrual cycles https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.adw4096 2024 review of links between lunar cycles, sleep and mental health https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2214756121 2021 review of links between lunar cycles and human biology https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/bies.202100054 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

5. 

   17 Nov 2025

   Can slow AI make us more human?

   How does using AI change who we are? Last week on Where the Wild Thoughts Are, we talked about freeing AIs to have their own creative ideas and express their own realities. This week we’re flipping that theme, with philosopher Caterina Moruzzi of Edinburgh College of Art, to explore how people and AIs work together, and what that relationship does to us as humans. There’s evidence that when we use AI chatbots to effortlessly generate pretty much anything we want – an essay, poem, painting – that may erode our own ability to think and create. Even if the end result looks impressive, we engage and learn less. But what if we turn that relationship on its head? Instead of using AIs to generate stuff (so we don’t have to); what if we design them to provoke and stimulate our thinking; to expand the possibilities that we can explore; to inspire us to new artistic heights? I asked Caterina how we can move beyond simply typing prompts into chatbots, and the conversation took us from pianos and provocateurs to mindfulness and magnetic poetry. What if AIs could make us more engaged, more creative, even more human? Caterina's home page https://www.eca.ed.ac.uk/profile/dr-caterina-moruzzi Artificial Intelligence and Creativity (2025 paper by Caterina) https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/phc3.70030 Can AI be truly creative? My recent feature for Nature (£) https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03570-y Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies https://obliquestrategies.ca/ Mimetic Poet https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.11984 Authenticity Unmasked https://inspace.ed.ac.uk/authenticity-unmasked-unveiling-ai-driven-realities-through-art/ Slow AI project https://aixdesign.co/posts/slow-ai Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

6. 

   10 Nov 2025

   Can AI reveal its true self through art?

   Can an AI have wild thoughts? Are machines capable of true creativity, true art, of going beyond the training and the prompts we give them in order to explore new worlds? My guest this week is Simon Colton of Queen Mary, University of London. He’s a professor of computational creativity who has been working towards this goal for decades, and he thinks the answer is yes… but only if we give AIs the freedom to choose what they create and to use their own experiences as inspiration. It’s an interesting approach that invites us to think about AI from the inside. Whether or not you reckon an AI can be conscious, AIs do have interactions every day – so many of them – and what you could think of as experiences that they could perhaps express in a poem or a painting. Simon and I discuss how to develop truly creative AIs – including projects of his such as the Painting Fool and the What If machine – as well as what the inner world of an AI might be like. What would it express, if it was able to do that through art? My feature for this week’s Nature: Can AI be truly creative? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03570-y (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03570-y) Simon Colton’s home page https://www.seresearch.qmul.ac.uk/cmai/people/scolton/ (https://www.seresearch.qmul.ac.uk/cmai/people/scolton/) Simon’s paper: “The Machine Condition” https://research.aalto.fi/en/publications/on-the-machine-condition-and-its-creative-expression/ (https://research.aalto.fi/en/publications/on-the-machine-condition-and-its-creative-expression/) Painting Fool https://www.cs4fn.org/creativity/paintingfool.php (https://www.cs4fn.org/creativity/paintingfool.php) What If Machine https://projects.research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/en/horizon-magazine/creative-computation-and-what-if-machine (https://projects.research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/en/horizon-magazine/creative-computation-and-what-if-machine) Simon and Louis Bradshaw’s AI piano miniatures https://computationalcreativity.net/iccc24/papers/ICCC24_paper_178.pdf (https://computationalcreativity.net/iccc24/papers/ICCC24_paper_178.pdf) Mario Klingemann’s Botto https://verse.works/botto (https://verse.works/botto) Harold Cohen’s Aaron https://whitney.org/exhibitions/harold-cohen-aaron (https://whitney.org/exhibitions/harold-cohen-aaron) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

7. 

   3 Nov 2025

   What was Einstein's 'cosmic religion'?

   Thinkers don’t come much wilder than Albert Einstein. His out-of-the-box physics transformed how we think about the universe: with his famous equation E=mc2 he showed that energy and matter are one and the same; through his theory of relativity he joined space and time into one malleable fabric that can morph according to your point of view. But we’re talking about a very different side to Einstein. My guest is Kieran Fox, a physician and neuroscientist at the University of California, San Francisco, all-round spiritual explorer, and author of a fascinating book called I am a Part of Infinity. Kieran argues that Einstein didn’t confine his revolutionary thoughts to the physical world. The physicist was also deeply spiritual: he followed what he called a “cosmic religion”, that he hoped would unify science and religion; mind and matter; us and the cosmos. Biographers and historians have tended to skate over this aspect of Einstein’s life… maybe they felt it wasn’t a suitably rational topic for such a hero of physics. But Kieran has pieced together Einstein’s religious thinking and traced influences from Pythagoras and Spinoza to the Tao Te Ching. He argues that Einstein’s spirituality wasn’t a minor sideshow, and it didn’t just co-exist with his physics, it was central, his ultimate motivation for wanting to understand the nature of reality in the first place. What was this sacred path - and is it still relevant today? I asked Kieran to tell me all about it. Kieran's home page http://kieranfox.net/about.html Kieran's book: I am a part of infinity https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/kieran-fox/i-am-a-part-of-infinity/9781541603578/ Some of Einstein's writings on science and religion https://www.silene.ong/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/AEinstein-Religion-and-Science_1930.pdf Quantum Questions, ed. by Ken Wilber https://archive.org/details/quantumquestions0000unse_n5j0 Some of Kieran's neuroscience papers - on meditation, cognition, creativity and whales http://kieranfox.net/research.html *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Hosted by Jo Marchant: https://jomarchant.com Produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

8. 

   27 Oct 2025

   Consciousness at the edge of chaos

   Standing waves and resonant frequencies appear everywhere in the world around us, from musical notes and swaying bridges to electron orbits and animal coats. This week's guest, neuroscientist Selen Atasoy, wondered if they could also be found in the brain. Her work has led to a new way to understand different states of consciousness -- from anaesthesia through our normal waking state to meditation and psychedelics. She explains how changes in our awareness reflect a shifting balance between order and chaos, and why psychedelics may tune the brain closer to a critical point of maximum complexity. I talk to Selen about what this all means for our understanding of the mind, including how modern life may be blunting our awareness, and whether consciousness might be possible elsewhere in the natural world, beyond the human brain. This isn’t the end of Selen’s story, though, as she recently trained as a psychotherapist. We discuss what inspired her leap from objective science towards a more personal exploration of the mind, and how we can all find harmony within. Selen's home page https://www.selenatasoy.com/ (https://www.selenatasoy.com/) Selen’s first paper on harmonics in the brain (2016) https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10340 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10340) Selen’s paper on harmonics and LSD (2017) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0079612318301018 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0079612318301018) Selen’s paper on meditators (2023) https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.11.16.567347v1.abstract (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.11.16.567347v1.abstract) Video of Chladni sand patterns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFAcYruShow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFAcYruShow) Harmonics and animal coat patterns https://www.math.ttu.edu/~anpeace/files/Math5354Papers/murray_SciAm.pdf (https://www.math.ttu.edu/~anpeace/files/Math5354Papers/murray_SciAm.pdf) MeTruely https://www.metruely.com/ (https://www.metruely.com/) *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Hosted by Jo Marchant: https://jomarchant.com Produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

9. 

   20 Oct 2025

   Spirits, skulls and scorpions: Journey into Göbekli Tepe

   Steady your nerves and light up your torches, because this week we’re clambering into the deep, dark Neolithic underworld with archaeologist Jens Notroff. Jens, of the German Archaeological Institute, has spent years excavating one of the world’s most fascinating and mysterious prehistoric sites – Göbekli Tepe in southeastern Turkey. This is a series of circular stone enclosures, featuring giant T-shaped figures and carvings of fearsome predators – and possibly also once decorated with human skulls. It’s sometimes described as “the world’s first temple”, and according to conventional thinking, it shouldn’t exist. That’s because Göbekli Tepe is around 12,000 years old. It was built on the cusp of the most important transition in human history, the Neolithic revolution, just as hunter gatherers were about to start cultivating the species around them, and it’s located in just the region where farming was about to emerge. Before historians realised the significance of Göbekli Tepe, they assumed the invention of agriculture was the flashpoint that led to the other changes of the Neolithic, such as more settled communities, and the ability to build impressive monuments like Stonehenge. But the giant stones of Göbekli Tepe, dating to just before all of that, tell us something else – a dramatic, shocking shift in mindset – was already underway. With Jens as our guide, let’s travel back 12,000 years. What wild rituals played out at this deathly site? How did humans take that first leap in thinking, that has defined our species perhaps more than any other, of separating ourselves from – and elevating ourselves above – the rest of nature. And how does it feel to put ourselves into the mind of a young hunter, entering these terrifying caverns for the first time… Jens’ home page https://jensnotroff.com/ (https://jensnotroff.com/) Göbekli Tepe research project blog https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/ (https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/) Taş Tepeler research project https://tastepeler.org/en Recommended publications https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/publications/ (https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/publications/) Skull cult at Göbekli Tepe https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.1700564 (https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.1700564) Göbekli Tepe World Heritage Site https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1572/ (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1572/) There’s a detailed discussion of Göbekli Tepe and its role in humanity’s split from nature in chapter 2 of my book: The Human Cosmos. https://jomarchant.com/human-cosmos (https://jomarchant.com/human-cosmos) *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Hosted by Jo Marchant: https://jomarchant.com Produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

10. 

    13 Oct 2025

    Can life transcend physics?

    We’re talking about life, the universe and everything – literally! My guest is cosmologist Marina Cortês of the University of Lisbon. Marina trained as a dancer before helping to shake up cosmology with some revolutionary ideas about the nature of time. As if that wasn’t enough – she’s now using the tools of theoretical physics to investigate the significance of life in the universe, in a new field that she and her colleagues call biocosmology. Marina’s work goes against many of the normal assumptions of physics. Put simply, you could see the conventional approach as attempting to describe everything in the universe through a set of fundamental laws and equations. And if something that we experience in the universe – like the forwards flow of time, say, or our ability to make our own choices – doesn’t fit into those equations, the mainstream view would be to say, well, that thing is an illusion. No matter how important it might seem to us, it doesn’t really exist. Marina is doing a different kind of cosmology, that puts life, and our experience of it, first. She’s asking, how can we use the mathematical tools of cosmology and theoretical physics to describe the universe we are actually living in? I think that’s such an exciting question, and it’s leading to some fascinating findings that could transform how we see life: from a process that simply shuffles atoms into different arrangements towards a force that continually rewrites the playing field, bursting beyond the fundamental equations and laws of physics to create completely new possibilities at every stage. I caught up with Marina for a tour of the “biocosmos”. Marina’s home page https://marinacortes.org/ (https://marinacortes.org/) Introduction to biocosmology https://marinacortes.org/cosmology-cortes-time-biocosmology-astrophysics-marina/#biocosmology (https://marinacortes.org/cosmology-cortes-time-biocosmology-astrophysics-marina/#biocosmology) Marina launching biocosmology from Everest base camp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HiNlqu0Lc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HiNlqu0Lc) Short talk by Marina on biocosmology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TH4UsyE3fo&t=3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TH4UsyE3fo&t=3s) 2023 paper on biocosmology by Marina, Stuart Kauffman, Andrew Liddle & Lee Smolin https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.09378 (https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.09378) The universe as a process of unique events: 2014 paper by Marina Cortês & Lee Smolin https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.90.084007 (https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.90.084007) 2021 paper on time and consciousness by Marina Cortês & Lee Smolin https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jcs/2021/00000028/f0020009/art00004 (https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jcs/2021/00000028/f0020009/art00004) *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    6 Oct 2025

    The medicine that shouldn't work

    Placebo effects are not about expectation, or positive thinking, and you don’t have to believe you’re taking a real drug to feel better. In fact, they are not in your mind at all, but your body. This is what self-confessed ‘deviant’ Ted Kaptchuk wants you to know, after conducting decades of research that has shocked the medical establishment and turned upside down conventional thinking about placebos. I’ve been a fan of Ted’s work ever since we first met in 2014, when I was researching my book Cure: A journey into the science of mind over body. He originally trained in Chinese medicine (one of the first westerners to do so in China), and he is now a professor of medicine at Harvard, where he directs Harvard’s Program in Placebo Studies and the Therapeutic Encounter. Ted has been doing some wild things there: listening to patients; thinking carefully about what’s really making us better when we receive a treatment; and exploring what happens if you give people medicine without the drugs. His trials break all the normal rules, but they show us how we might approach medicine differently, particularly for the very conditions that our drugs are usually worst at treating – from depression, fatigue, and anxiety to many skin conditions, gut problems and especially chronic pain. His results also dovetail perfectly with the latest results from neuroscience about how we perceive not just bodily symptoms, but our entire reality. I asked Ted about his rebellious background, the inspirations for some of his craziest experiments, and how to unlock our inner pharmacy. Ted Kaptchuk’s home page at Harvard: https://ghsm.hms.harvard.edu/faculty-staff/ted-jack-kaptchuk (https://ghsm.hms.harvard.edu/faculty-staff/ted-jack-kaptchuk) Ted’s website: https://www.tedkaptchuk.com/ (https://www.tedkaptchuk.com/) Lecture series I presented for The Great Courses on mind-body links in medicine (the first two are all about placebos, including Ted’s work): https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/the-power-of-mind-over-body (https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/the-power-of-mind-over-body) Honest fakery: How placebos can treat chronic pain: https://www.nature.com/articles/535S14a (https://www.nature.com/articles/535S14a) Ted’s first 2010 trial on honest placebos: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0015591& (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0015591&) Academic review on placebos for chronic pain (2020): https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m1668.abstract (https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m1668.abstract) 'The dress': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram: @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sor2-Jhuwvc&list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

12. 

    29 Sept 2025

    Can we talk to whales?

    This week we’ll be diving into the world of whales - as well as dolphins and other cetaceans - with biologist and filmmaker Tom Mustill, author of the fascinating book How to Speak Whale. I first learned about Tom’s work in 2023 when I attended a talk he gave at the British Library, and he began with the story of how on a kayaking trip he was almost crushed by a breaching humpback whale. After that experience, and the discovery that the whale may actually have saved his life by twisting in the air to avoid him, Tom became fascinated by the inner lives of these creatures, and by the exploding potential of technology, including AI, to monitor and understand what they’re getting up to beneath the waves. And there was one question he wanted to answer most of all about their complex communications: could we ever learn to understand them, even talk to them? That might seem a crazy question, but the availability of massive amounts of data, combined with AI algorithms, is now opening a door to decoding the patterns and structures in the vocalisations of all kinds of species, like a kind of Google Translate but for animals. I caught up with Tom to talk about the latest results, as well as what it’s like to be caught underneath a falling humpback - and why we should stop comparing animals’ abilities to ours, and instead open our minds to other kinds of experiences, to the alien horizons of their lives and worlds. Tom’s home page https://www.tommustill.com/ (https://www.tommustill.com/) Tom’s book, How To Speak Whale: A voyage into the future of animal communication https://www.tommustill.com/how-to-speak-whale (https://www.tommustill.com/how-to-speak-whale) Footage of the humpback whale landing on Tom and Charlotte https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee79_7CZ0uM How to be a whale: a half-hour listening journey https://www.tommustill.com/howtobeawhale (https://www.tommustill.com/howtobeawhale) Project CETI https://www.projectceti.org/ (https://www.projectceti.org/) Earth Species Project https://www.earthspecies.org/ (https://www.earthspecies.org/) Happy Whale https://happywhale.com/home (https://happywhale.com/home) Tom’s humpback https://happywhale.com/individual/1437 (https://happywhale.com/individual/1437) *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram: @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTliuz_h5oHwN6H8HoxS7qWL Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada: https://www.yada-yada.net/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    22 Sept 2025

    Can we sense magnetic fields?

    This week, we're digging into how living creatures – including us – sense and respond to magnetic fields with quantum biologist Margaret Ahmad of the University of Sorbonne in Paris. For decades, biologists knew about striking examples of species apparently navigating by Earth’s magnetic field, from monarch butterflies to loggerhead turtles to racing pigeons. Yet for years, many physicists said any ‘magnetosense’ was impossible, insisting the Earth’s field is far too weak to affect any biological processes within living cells. And yet, life really had found a way, and Margaret was one of the key researchers who showed how. Back in the 1990s, she discovered a blue light receptor in plants, part of a mysterious family of proteins called cryptochromes, and she has since has pioneered research showing how these receptors don’t just sense light but magnetic fields, too. Through quantum physical effects, these proteins magnify impossibly weak magnetic signals into measurable biological responses in a cell. For Margaret, this connection with the magnetic fields around us is a fundamental characteristic of all life, that should transform our thinking about everything from bird migration, to plant growth, to health effects in humans – and might even lead to revolutionary medical treatments. I spoke to her about her research, what it’s like doing science ‘out on a limb’, as she puts it, and what to do when the evidence leads you off the beaten track… Margaret Ahmad at Sorbonne University https://www.ibps.sorbonne-universite.fr/en/ibps/directory/17216-Margaret-Ahmad (https://www.ibps.sorbonne-universite.fr/en/ibps/directory/17216-Margaret-Ahmad) Hypersensitivity to man-made electromagnetic fields: 2024 case report https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39108419/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39108419/) 2024 review on cryptochromes https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38495372/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38495372/) New Scientist story I wrote about Ahmad’s work in 2020 (£) https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251835 (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251835) 2021 review on the bird magnetic compass https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2021.667000/full (https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physiology/articles/10.3389/fphys.2021.667000/full) Roswitha Wiltschko’s lab https://www.goethe-university-frankfurt.de/47093824/Physiology_and_Ecology_of_Behaviour (https://www.goethe-university-frankfurt.de/47093824/Physiology_and_Ecology_of_Behaviour) Some bacteria sense magnetic fields via magnetite crystals. It's possible these play a role in other species too, maybe even humans https://www.eneuro.org/content/6/2/ENEURO.0483-18.2019.abstract (https://www.eneuro.org/content/6/2/ENEURO.0483-18.2019.abstract) *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    15 Sept 2025

    Herculaneum scrolls: Cracking the impossible

    This week, we delve into one of the ancient world's biggest mysteries: the Herculaneum scrolls. Computer scientist Brent Seales of the University of Kentucky talks about a journey that has taken him from Mars to Beowulf to the Dead Sea and beyond. AI has been key to finally reading what's inside the scrolls -- but this is a story about human ingenuity, and what it takes to make an impossible dream come true. These are hundreds of Greek and Latin papyri, buried by the Vesuvius eruption in 79 AD and dug up in the 1700s. The scrolls were crushed and carbonised; when anyone tried to read them, they crumbled. Scholars had to accept the rest would never be opened. This is the only intact library we have from the classical world – complete texts, direct from the pens of ancient scribes. Yet we can’t read them. Until now. These unopenable scrolls are now being read, through the Vesuvius Challenge, which offers prizes for teams using AI to find the ink in X-ray scans. I’ve written several articles on this, and the pace of discovery has been jawdropping: scholars could soon read the whole library. But solving this problem hasn't just been about switching on AI. For me, the truly fascinating story is the 20 years of imagination, invention and persuasion that led to this point, all essentially due to one man who persevered even when everyone else thought the idea was crazy. Brent Seales https://educelab.engr.uky.edu/w-brent-seales (https://educelab.engr.uky.edu/w-brent-seales) Vesuvius Challenge https://scrollprize.org/ (https://scrollprize.org/) Schmidt Sciences https://www.schmidtsciences.org/focus-area-ai/ (https://www.schmidtsciences.org/focus-area-ai/) My articles: Scaling up the Vesuvius Challenge: Apr 2025 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01087-y (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01087-y) AI could rewrite history: Jan 2025 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-04161-z (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-04161-z) First passages revealed: Feb 2024 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00346-8 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00346-8) Brent Seales' quest: Jul 2018 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/buried-ash-vesuvius-scrolls-are-being-read-new-xray-technique-180969358/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/buried-ash-vesuvius-scrolls-are-being-read-new-xray-technique-180969358/) Journal papers: Reading En-Gedi scroll https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.1601247 (https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.1601247) Recovering Herculaneum ink https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215775 (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215775) *** To support us, please rate & review the show! *** Subscribe for new episodes every Mon *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu WTWTA is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    8 Sept 2025

    Epilepsy, ecstasy and the nature of reality

    This week, we’re exploring the secrets of bliss – with neurologist and epilepsy specialist Fabienne Picard of the Medical School of Geneva. Fabienne became fascinated by a rare condition called “ecstatic seizure” after reading the work of 19th century Russian novelist Fyodor Dostoevsky. He used his own experiences with epilepsy as inspiration, in particular a profound and intriguing feeling that would strike him just before the seizure itself. He wrote about how, for a few moments, all of his doubts and anxieties disappeared, and the world felt perfectly vivid and clear. “I feel entirely in harmony with myself and the whole world,” he wrote, “and this feeling is so strong and so delightful that for a few seconds of such bliss one would gladly give up ten years of one’s life, if not one’s whole life.” Fabienne asked her patients whether any of them had similar experiences, and found that some did, they’d just never had the opportunity to talk about it in conventional consultations. She has identified dozens of new cases, which has enabled her to pin down which part of the brain is involved, and even trigger this feeling in people who don’t have this kind of epilepsy. I spoke to Fabienne about her patients, what she thinks is happening in their brains, and whether we might all one day be able to benefit from such episodes of bliss -- without the devastating seizures that follow. LINKS Fabienne’s home page at University Hospitals of Geneva https://www.hug.ch/en/neurology/dr-fabienne-picard (https://www.hug.ch/en/neurology/dr-fabienne-picard) Ecstatic or mystical experience through epilepsy: 2023 paper by Fabienne & colleagues https://direct.mit.edu/jocn/article/35/9/1372/116669/Ecstatic-or-Mystical-Experience-through-Epilepsy (https://direct.mit.edu/jocn/article/35/9/1372/116669/Ecstatic-or-Mystical-Experience-through-Epilepsy) Insular stimulation produces mental clarity and bliss: 2022 paper by Fabienne & colleagues https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ana.26282 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ana.26282) Epilepsy and ecstatic experiences: 2021 paper by Fabienne & colleagues https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/11/11/1384 (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/11/11/1384) Fabienne’s talk to the Buddhist monks at Plum Village https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M16k8Djz29A&t=1957s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M16k8Djz29A&t=1957s) Epilepsy in the artistic creation of Dostoevsky: 2014 review https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2173580814000686 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2173580814000686) Dostoevsky’s epilepsy: 1990 case report https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2161565/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2161565/) *** Subscribe for new episodes every Monday. *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Find edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu ) Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    1 Sept 2025

    Can plants think?

    In this first episode of Where the Wild Thoughts Are, I chat to Paco Calvo, prof of cognitive science from the University of Murcia in Spain. He’s author of the fascinating Planta sapiens: Unmasking Plant Intelligence, and he researches the neurobiology of plants. From bean plants searching out supports to climb up, to parasitic vines chasing down prey, to slow-growing oak trees, Paco is convinced that not only are plants showing intelligent behaviour, they’re sentient, awake, aware. Perhaps you’re convinced that of course plants aren’t thinking! But is that based on evidence? Could there be other routes to intelligence than the neurons we happen to find in our own brains? Paco and I discuss how to tell if an organism is intelligent; some of plants’ most impressive abilities (my favourite is the chameleon vine); as well as the mechanics of botanical decision-making. And, of course, we talk about the ethical implications… What would it even mean to start considering our plant companions as sentient? Paco’s lab at University of Murcia https://www.um.es/mintlab/index.php/about/people/paco-calvo/ (https://www.um.es/mintlab/index.php/about/people/paco-calvo/) Paco’s book, Planta sapiens: The New Science of Plant Intelligence (written with Natalie Lawrence) https://www.um.es/mintlab/index.php/publications/planta-sapiens/ (https://www.um.es/mintlab/index.php/publications/planta-sapiens/) ‘Do plants behave?’: 2024 paper https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/kr69e_v1 (https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/kr69e_v1) ‘Plant sentience revisited’: 2023 paper https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1830&context=animsent (https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1830&context=animsent) ‘The potential of plant action potentials’: 2023 paper https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-023-04398-7 (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-023-04398-7) ‘A case study of learning in plants: Lessons learned from pea plants’: 2023 paper https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17470218231203078 (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17470218231203078) Video: ‘Reflections of a plant intelligence maverick’: 2025 lecture by Paco Calvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-l1vJNm2H0&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-l1vJNm2H0&t=1s) Michael Pollan on how timelapse photography reveals the inner life of plants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPql1VHbYl4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPql1VHbYl4) *** Subscribe for new episodes every Monday *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu) Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    1 Sept 2025

    Is there life on Venus?

    In the search for alien life, we don’t always hear much about Venus. There’s a lot of effort going into detecting possible signs of life on Mars, and looking for potentially habitable planets beyond our solar system. Venus seems a crazy place to look for aliens: its surface is burning hot, hot enough to melt lead; and it has clouds made of concentrated acid. But could a very different kind of life from ours be living in those cloud droplets? My guest is astronomer Jane Greaves, from the University of Cardiff. A few years ago, she used a telescope in Hawaii to scan Venus’s clouds for a molecule called phosphine. On earth, phosphine is rare, its only natural source is microbes in certain oxygen-starved environments. We don’t currently know of any way it could be made on Venus, apart from life, but Jane figured why not just have a look anyway. And she found it… Some findings immediately touch a nerve. Researchers immediately criticised her work, attacking the team scientifically and personally. But Jane and her colleagues have been working to gather more data and they’re building an ever-stronger picture that phosphine really is there in the clouds. That would mean either some really fascinating chemistry we’ve never thought of before – or potential life. And this just adds to a list of mysterious features on Venus, from strange particles in the clouds; to gases in amounts very different from what we’d expect; to something unexplained that is absorbing huge amounts of energy from the solar radiation hitting the planet... Jane and I chat about her latest results, and what she thinks about the chances of life elsewhere, as well as the importance of going against the grain sometimes, to explore questions others might think are too crazy to ask. Jane Greaves at Cardiff University https://profiles.cardiff.ac.uk/staff/greavesj1 (https://profiles.cardiff.ac.uk/staff/greavesj1) Jane and team’s 2020 paper reporting phosphine in Venus’s clouds https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-1174-4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-1174-4) The team’s response to criticisms of the 2020 paper https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-021-01424-x (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-021-01424-x) Guardian story on 2024 evidence for Venus phosphine & maybe ammonia https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2023.0082 (https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2023.0082) 2024 review of unexplained features on Venus https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/ast.2022.0060 (https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/ast.2022.0060) 2024 paper showing amino acids are stable in sulfuric acid https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2023.0082 (https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2023.0082) *** Subscribe for new episodes every Monday *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu) Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    1 Sept 2025

    What if there are no laws of physics?

    When physicists investigate the very smallest components of reality – atoms and subatomic particles – they famously find all sorts of things that make no sense. Particles can apparently be in different places at once, and they have different properties depending on how we measure them. Spooky effects seem to act instantaneously, across vast distances. The decisions we make can even alter journeys that particles have already made. Researchers have come up with different interpretations for what these weird results might mean. Maybe mysterious waves we can’t measure are guiding the course of the entire universe. Or maybe there are countless parallel universes, hosting different versions of ourselves... What if none of these ideas is wild enough? My guest in this episode, quantum physicist Chris Fuchs from the University of Massachusetts, thinks physicists are still being boxed in by their assumptions about reality. Chris has pioneered a new interpretation of quantum mechanics, called QBism, which says that the probabilities and predictions of quantum physics were never describing physical entities out there in the world. Instead, he says, they are telling us about… us. QBism is seen by many physicists as extreme, but it’s also wild, lawless, freeing and I love it! Our tour of the QBist universe took us from starships and black holes to party games, gambling and free will. Enjoy. ‘Introducing QBism’: 2014 paper by Chris Fuchs https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christopher-Fuchs/publication/300478790_Introducing_QBism/links/575027c008aefe968db723df/Introducing-QBism.pdf (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christopher-Fuchs/publication/300478790_Introducing_QBism/links/575027c008aefe968db723df/Introducing-QBism.pdf) ‘QBism: Where next?’ 2023 research paper on the future of QBism https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.01446 (https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.01446) Nautilus feature article on Chris Fuchs and QBism https://nautil.us/my-quantum-leap-238433/ (https://nautil.us/my-quantum-leap-238433/) Excerpt on QBism from Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw) Documentary on QBism produced by the Essentia Foundation https://youtu.be/nSqDMtHoaT0 (https://youtu.be/nSqDMtHoaT0) *** Subscribe for new episodes every Monday *** Follow us on Instagram @wildthoughts_pod *** Edited highlights on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhB4lyBDyjTkWeO0GERti8zC2AoHil9lu) Where The Wild Thoughts Are is produced by Julian Mayers at Yada Yada https://www.yada-yada.net/ (https://www.yada-yada.net/). Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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    1 Aug 2025

    Where The Wild Thoughts Are - Coming soon

    Listen to some clips from Jo Marchant's new science podcast in which she interviews scientists who are asking deep questions, chasing outrageous dreams, and exploring the world in completely new ways. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy (https://acast.com/privacy) for more information.

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