A show about the concept of whiteness and how it works. Listen in to notice, reimagine and question the role of whiteness. You will hear collective voices to share in the anti-racism quest to expose and dismantle the dominance of whiteness in our families, institutions and everyday lives.

Whiteness at Work
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A show about the concept of whiteness and how it works. Listen in to notice, reimagine and question the role of whiteness. You will hear collective voices to share in the anti-racism quest to expose and dismantle the dominance of whiteness in our families, institutions and everyday lives.
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Recent Episodes

May 13, 2026
Disrupting Whiteness in Coaching and Leadership with Fenella Trevillion
<p>In this episode of the Whiteness at Work podcast, I speak with coach, supervisor, researcher and writer Fenella Trevillion about whiteness, coaching, race, reflexivity, and the emotional and embodied realities of anti-racist practice.</p><p>Fenella reflects on her experiences growing up in apartheid South Africa, her work within health and mental health services, and how witnessing racism across institutions shaped her understanding of whiteness and power.</p><p>Drawing from her paper Disrupting My Whiteness: Towards Inhabiting Self-Enquiry into Race and Whiteness, we explore what it means for white practitioners to engage critically with their own racism, discomfort, fragility, and positionality within coaching and leadership spaces.</p><p>Together, we discuss:</p><ul><li><p>whiteness as a system of power and normalisation</p></li><li><p>embodiment, discomfort, and visceral reactions to racism</p></li><li><p>white fragility and white saviourism</p></li><li><p>anti-racist coaching and supervision</p></li><li><p>reflexivity, autoethnography, and self-enquiry</p></li><li><p>race and power in coaching relationships</p></li><li><p>collective spaces, solidarity, and learning communities</p></li><li><p>institutional racism and the legacy of the New Cross Fire</p></li><li><p>whiteness, ritual, politeness, and silence</p></li><li><p>queerness, othering, and identity</p></li></ul><p>We also discuss the tensions of disrupting whiteness in majority white spaces, the emotional labour involved in anti-racist work, and the importance of learning to stay present rather than retreating into defensiveness or performance.</p><p>This conversation will resonate with coaches, educators, therapists, leadership practitioners, researchers, supervisors, anti-racist practitioners, and anyone interested in race, power, identity, and organisational culture.</p><p>References:</p><p>Trevillion, F. (2025). Disrupting my whiteness: Towards inhabiting self-enquiry into race and whiteness.</p><p>Trevillion, F. (2021). “Take a look in the mirror.” Coaching at Work.</p><p>Trevillion, F. “White coaches: A clarion call for white coaches to awake to our indifference about Black Lives Matter.” Coaching at Work.</p>

May 8, 2026
The Architecture of Whiteness: Universities, Power and Institutional Racism
<p>In this episode of the Whiteness at Work podcast, I speak with researcher and Leverhulme Early Career Fellow <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rhianna-garrett/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Dr Rhianna Garrett</a> about whiteness, higher education, mixed-race identity, institutional racism, and the systems that continue to shape who belongs within universities and leadership spaces.</p><p>Drawing from her widely discussed thesis, The Architecture of Whiteness, Rhianna explores how universities are not neutral spaces, but institutions historically constructed through racialised systems, policies, values, and professional norms that continue to protect white comfort and reproduce inequity.</p><p>Together, we discuss:</p><ul><li>what “the architecture of whiteness” means</li><li>whiteness as a system rather than an identity</li><li>racism in higher education and leadership culture</li><li>mixed-race identity and resistance</li><li>safeguarding and racial harm in institutions</li><li>performative EDI and institutional optics</li><li>activism, solidarity, and anti-racist scholarship</li><li>the online backlash Rhianna received after publicly sharing her thesis</li></ul><p>We also explore how whiteness operates through policy interpretation, institutional culture, professionalism, invisibility, and organisational behaviour, alongside the emotional and political realities of researching race in public.</p><p>This conversation will resonate with educators, researchers, leadership teams, school leaders, unions, students, policymakers, anti-racist practitioners, and anyone interested in race, power, education, and organisational culture.</p><p>You can find Dr Rhianna Garrett’s work through Northumbria University, ResearchGate, Google Scholar, and her social platform Rhimixedviews.</p><p><br>References :<br>Garrett, R. (2025). “I’m not white”: counter-stories from “mixed race” women navigating PhDs. Equality, Diversity and Inclusion: An International Journal, 44(1), 91-105.</p><p>Garrett, R. (2025). The de/construction of identity: The complexities of loss and separation for mixed-race Britain. Genealogy, 9(2), 44.</p><p>Garrett, R. (2025). Racism shapes careers: career trajectories and imagined futures of racialised minority PhDs in UK higher education. Globalisation, Societies and Education, 23(3), 683-697.</p><p>Garrett, R. (2025). The architecture of whiteness. Area, 57(4), e70039.</p>

May 10, 2025
with Dr. Charmaine Brown and Professor Denise Miller
<p><strong>Description</strong></p><p>In this episode of the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/whiteness-at-work/id1782561091" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Whiteness at Work</a> podcast, <a href="https://equitablecoaching.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall</a> engages with <a href="https://www.gre.ac.uk/people/rep/faculty-of-education-and-health/denise-a-miller" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Professor Denise Miller</a> and <a href="https://drcharmainebrown.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Dr. Charmaine Brown</a> to explore the concept of whiteness, its implications in educational settings, and experiences with racism. They discuss the mechanisms to dismantle whiteness, the role of research in advocating for change, and the psychosocial costs of racism faced by staff in educational institutions. The conversation emphasises the importance of awareness, community empowerment, and the need for meaningful research that impacts society beyond academia. </p><p>Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall and guests delve into the complexities of studying racism, allyship, and the psychosocial costs associated with these experiences. They discuss the importance of understanding the perspectives of both Black individuals and white allies in academia, the challenges of institutional racism, and the need for a shift in power dynamics to foster genuine change. The conversation highlights the ongoing struggle against institutional racism and the necessity of addressing whiteness in discussions about equity and inclusion.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Keywords</strong></p><p>whiteness, racism, privilege, education, institutional racism, equity, diversity, research, community empowerment, activism, racism, allyship, psychosocial costs, institutional racism, whiteness, academia, diversity, equity, inclusion, research</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Chapters</strong></p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Understanding Whiteness and Its Impact</p><p>06:58 Personal Journeys with Whiteness</p><p>16:04 Mechanisms to Dismantle Whiteness</p><p>21:11 Research as a Tool for Change</p><p>32:55 Exploring the Psychosocial Costs of Racism</p><p>36:41 The Costs of Allyship and Racism</p><p>39:32 Exploring Psychosocial Costs of Racism</p><p>43:52 The Role of White Perspectives in Racism</p><p>48:59 Shifting the Narrative on Institutional Racism</p><p>51:51 Reflections on Change and Progress</p><p>01:00:34 Methodological Insights on Whiteness</p><p>01:08:08 Understanding Whiteness and Power Dynamics</p><p><br></p><p>We discuss the journal papers:</p><p><a href="https://journals.uclpress.co.uk/lre/article/pubid/LRE-21-39/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Miller, D., Brown, C. and Essex, R. (2023) ‘The psychosocial costs of racism to White staff members of an ethnically diverse, post-92 university’. London Review of Education, 21 (1), 39. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.21.1.39.</a></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://journals.uclpress.co.uk/lre/article/pubid/LRE-23-8/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Miller, D., Essex, R. and Brown, C. (2025) ‘“I’m managed by a White man who’s managed by a White man who’s managed by a White woman who’s managed by a White man”: the problem of institutional racism in a UK-based university’. London Review of Education, 23 (1), 8. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.23.1.08.</a></p><p><br></p><p>We also reference the journal papers:</p><p>Exum, M.L. (2022). ‘White students’ perceptions of the costs and consequences of being black’. Race and Social Problems, : 1–17, Advance online publication. DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s12552-022-09364-5" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s12552-022-09364-5</a></p><p><br></p><p>Miller, P. (2016). ‘White sanction’, institutional, group and individual interaction in the promotion and progression of black and minority ethnic academics and teachers in England. Power and Education 8 (3) : 205–21, DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/1757743816672880" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/1757743816672880</a></p><p>Spanierman, L.B; Todd, N.R; Anderson, C.J. (2009). ‘Psychosocial costs of racism to Whites: Understanding patterns among university students’. Journal of Counseling Psychology 56 (2) : 239–52, DOI: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0015432" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0015432</a> [<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21866985" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">PubMed</a>]</p><p><br></p><p>Find out more at: <a href="https://equitablecoaching.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">https://equitablecoaching.com/</a></p>
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