Don't hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity's biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.
Win-Win with Liv Boeree
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Don't hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity's biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.
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April 1, 2026
#55 - Dean Ball x Daniel Kokotajlo Anti-Debate - Should GOVERNMENTS or MARKETS control AI?
<p>Advanced AI is coming. Is it time for the government to step in and regulate? Or is it better in the hands of the market and tech CEOs? Or is there a more nuanced way to think about this topic entirely? </p><p>Welcome to the ANTI-DEBATE. It's debating, but with a positive-sum twist! My guests today are two of the most qualified people on either side this topic: former Trump AI advisor Dean Ball, and OpenAI researcher-turned-whistleblower Daniel Kokotajlo. Can they find a way to bridge their differences and find a synthesis that satisfies all their concerns? What are their thoughts on the Anthropic vs Department of War & Pete Hegseth feud? Can they align on alignment? </p><p><br></p><p>Chapters:</p><p>00:00 - Intro and Anthropic vs Department of War feud</p><p>3:42 - Daniel’s Story</p><p>4:34 - Dean’s Story</p><p>6:52 - Opening Statements</p><p>19:54 - Rebuttals</p><p>25:45 - Free Debate</p><p>36:32 - Steelmanning</p><p>45:40 - Red-teaming</p><p>51:38 - Synthesis</p><p>1:17:30 - Closing Statements</p><p>This video was made in collaboration with Stephanie Lepp of @synthesis_media who is the brains behind this open-source Anti-Debate format. Huge thanks to her for helping me bring this conversation to life. Go check out the Anti-Debate website below, and create your own! </p><p><br></p><p>Links:</p><p>♾️ Anti-Debate Project: https://anti-debate.org</p><p>♾️ Daniel's AI 2027 Futures: https://ai-2027.com</p><p>♾️ Dean's Hyperdimensional Blog: https://www.hyperdimensional.co/</p><p>♾️ Light Haven filming location: https://www.lighthaven.space</p><p>♾️ Synthesis Media: https://www.synthesismedia.org</p><p>♾️ Hoover Institution: https://www.hoover.org</p><p>♾️ Anthropic vs Department of War: https://www.anthropic.com</p><p><br></p><p>Credits:</p><p>♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree</p><p>♾️ Idea & Production: Stephanie Lepp<a href="https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UCfolfCaQThHgbl3hEVsYN_A" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"> @synthesis_media </a> </p><p>♾️ Video Editing by Luca de Vico</p><p>♾️ Intro edit by Perry Sinclair</p><p><br></p><p>The Win-Win Podcast:</p><p>Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.</p><p><br></p><p>Podcast links:</p><p>♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/ </p><p>♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S </p><p>♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f </p><p>♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 </p><p>♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 </p><p><br></p><p>#winwinpodcast #AIGovernance #technology</p>
March 11, 2026
#54 - Greg Lukianoff - Free Speech in the Age of AI
<p>Free speech is often treated as a political issue. But what if it’s the foundational technology that makes peaceful civilization possible in the first place?I sat down with Greg Lukianoff — free speech advocate, first amendment attorney, and longtime leader of FIRE.org — to explore why freedom of expression is humanity’s ultimate win-win innovation.Greg strongly believes free speech is at risk across the globe. It's under threat from government censorship, and from the attitudes of citizens themselves, who have become increasingly intolerant of opposing views. These pressures seem to only be increasing as we enter the AI era, which allows censorship, surveillance and other oppression tools at scale. At the same time, it also offers the democratization of potentially hazardous information to violent actors, only increasing the pressures on governing authorities to clamp down even harder on speech. So how do we navigate this tension? That's what this conversation seeks to answer.Huge thanks to <a href="https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UCC4leKu2BwJZpv9jaUXpC4w"> @TheFIREorg </a> for collaborating with me on this episode (they were the ones who organised this live event)! Go support their important work at the link the below.Chapters:00:00 — Intro01:42 — Why is Free Speech a Win-Win?05:10 — Is Free Speech At Risk in the USA?08:41 — Charlie Kirk & The Case of Larry Bushart 11:40 — How Is Technology Changing Free Speech?18:49 — ACLU & Institutional Capture21:57 — AI & The First Amendment29:40 — How To Calm The Arms Race?33:50 — The Hidden Cost of LLM Slop38:22 — How To Design Better Social Media Algorithms?41:07 — UK & European Hate Speech Laws & Censorship 47:18 — J.K Rowling & Free Speech Influencers 52:20 — Can Free Speech Survive Gen Z?59:04 — How To Talk To SkepticsLinks:♾️ Greg Lukianoff: https://www.thefire.org/people/greg-lukianoff♾️ FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression): https://www.thefire.org♾️ Greg’s TED Talk on Free Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noWh8SSeRCo♾️ The Larry Bushart Case: https://www.fire.org/cases/larry-bushart-v-perry-county♾️ The Coddling of the American Mind: https://www.thecoddling.com♾️ Karl Popper — Conjectures and Refutations: https://archive.org/details/karl-popper-conjectures-and-refutations-the-growth-of-scientific-knowledgeCredits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico♾️ Event Production: the team at Fire.orgThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart one of the most fundamental forces shaping human behavior: competition.Liv speaks with philosophers, technologists, scientists, founders, and public thinkers to understand how seemingly win-lose systems can be redesigned into win-wins.Podcast links:♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/♾️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WinWinPodcast♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUa…♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast…#winwinpodcast #freespeech #AI</p>
February 6, 2026
#53 - John Schultz - Why Google Made ChatGPT, Gemini & Claude Play 900,000 hands of Poker...
<p>Which LLM is best at POKER? What about the social deception game Werewolf? This week I'm collaborating with <a href="https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UCP7jMXSY2xbc3KCAE0MHQ-A"> @googledeepmind </a> and <a href="https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UCSNeZleDn9c74yQc-EKnVTA"> @kaggle </a> to explain their new “AI Game Arena” project, designed to test all the top LLMs at various games. </p><p>The Game Arena is a massive research project to create new AI benchmarks, and understand what really makes these general-purpose AIs tick. It also helps us evaluate how far along the path to true AGI we are, NBD.So who better to speak to than Deepmind research engineer John Schultz, one of the main brains behind the project. </p><p>We discuss why some LLMs are so much better than others, their internal understanding of the games (or lack of it!) and why games are a useful way to evaluate both capabilities and safety of frontier models.And friends - do please note that for the first time ever on this channel, this post is part of a paid partnership (woohoo I made it!). </p><p>So while everything I said in this interview, is absolutely my own views, there are also direct financial incentives behind this particular interview. </p><p><br></p><p>Chapters</p><p>00:00 - Intro</p><p>00:55 - What Is Game Arena?</p><p>01:25 - John’s Favorite Games</p><p>03:18 - Narrow AI Vs LLMs: What’s The Difference?</p><p>05:58 - Will LLM Poker Skills Transfer To Other Games?</p><p>09:00 - Benchmarks And Evals</p><p>10:50 - Prompt Design For Game-Playing LLMs</p><p>13:32 - Do LLMs Understand Concepts Like Expected Value?</p><p>14:24 - Context Window Length17:27 - Why Do LLMs Have Different Playing Styles?</p><p>18:41 - Where Does Their Skill Come From?</p><p>21:09 - Surprising Results</p><p>23:50 - Why Werewolf?</p><p>25:48 - Where Does LLM Reasoning Come From?</p><p>27:49 - Could LLMs Learning Social Games Be Dangerous?30:58 - Can Games Teach LLMs Cooperation?</p><p>32:48 - Which Games Will Be Hardest To Learn?</p><p><br></p><p>Links:</p><p>♾️ Kaggle Game Arena (Main Hub): https://www.kaggle.com/game-arena </p><p>♾️ Introducing the Kaggle Game Arena (Official Post): https://www.kaggle.com/blog/introducing-game-arena</p><p> ♾️ Poker Benchmark – 900,000 Hands: https://www.kaggle.com/blog/game-arena-poker </p><p>♾️ Werewolf Benchmark (Social Deception Game): https://www.kaggle.com/benchmarks/kaggle/werewolf</p><p> ♾️ Google DeepMind (Research Organization): https://deepmind.google</p><p> ♾️ Polaris Library (DeepMind, Open Source): https://github.com/google-deepmind/polaris </p><p><br></p><p>Credits:</p><p>♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree</p><p>♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico</p><p><br></p><p>The Win-Win Podcast:</p><p>Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.</p><p><br></p><p>Podcast links:</p><p>♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/</p><p>♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S</p><p>♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f </p><p>♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 </p><p>♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 </p><p>#winwinpodcast #AI #poker #kaggle</p>
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